Calvinism - Another Heresy
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John 3:13-16
King James version(KJV)
13.)And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14.)And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15.)That whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have eternal life.
16.)For God SO loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
King James version(KJV)
13.)And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14.)And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15.)That whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have eternal life.
16.)For God SO loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
OK so how many?
does God know how many?
an actual, specific number. does He know?
if He doesn't know - then on the day He returns to judge the world, will He come "too soon" so that some who might have been saved, are not? Can He ever return if He doesn't know whether His coming again will cut some people off or not?
if He does know - then what is the situation when "the last saint" repents and turns to Him? what about all those who are just being born that day, or about to be born the next day?
Free like Adam to choose through the knowledge of good and evil. Choosing that God might be glorified through man's choice to love and serve God.
God is not glorified if He compels man to believe. God never saves a man against his own will. Yes God is able to make a man believe but God does not force a man to believe.
Before the foundation of the world Christ was determined to die to save sinful man.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God is not glorified if He compels man to believe. God never saves a man against his own will. Yes God is able to make a man believe but God does not force a man to believe.
Before the foundation of the world Christ was determined to die to save sinful man.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I don't follow any man but I choose to believe what scripture says.
~Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and
called:
sanctified:
~
G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
hag-ee-ad'-zo
From G40; to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate: - hallow, be holy, sanctify.
Total KJV occurrences: 29
preserved:
G5083
τηρέω
tēreō
tay-reh'-o
From τηρόςteros (a watch; perhaps akin to G2334); to guard (from loss or injury, properly by keeping the eye upon; and thus differing from G5442, which is properly to prevent escaping; and from G2892, which implies a fortress or full military lines of apparatus), that is, to note (a prophecy; figuratively to fulfil a command); by implication to detain (in custody; figuratively to maintain); by extension to withhold (for personal ends; figuratively to keep unmarried): - hold fast, keep (-er), (ob-, pre-, re) serve, watch.
Total KJV occurrences: 75
called:
G2822
κλητός
klētos
klay-tos'
From the same as G2821; invited, that is, appointed, or (specifically) a saint: - called.
Total KJV occurrences: 11
~Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and
called:
sanctified:
~
G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
hag-ee-ad'-zo
From G40; to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate: - hallow, be holy, sanctify.
Total KJV occurrences: 29
preserved:
G5083
τηρέω
tēreō
tay-reh'-o
From τηρόςteros (a watch; perhaps akin to G2334); to guard (from loss or injury, properly by keeping the eye upon; and thus differing from G5442, which is properly to prevent escaping; and from G2892, which implies a fortress or full military lines of apparatus), that is, to note (a prophecy; figuratively to fulfil a command); by implication to detain (in custody; figuratively to maintain); by extension to withhold (for personal ends; figuratively to keep unmarried): - hold fast, keep (-er), (ob-, pre-, re) serve, watch.
Total KJV occurrences: 75
called:
G2822
κλητός
klētos
klay-tos'
From the same as G2821; invited, that is, appointed, or (specifically) a saint: - called.
Total KJV occurrences: 11
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Nope. That's sort of like saying "all Catholics pray the rosary every day." While it is true some do, it isn't true all do, or even most do.
Same thing with "Calvinist." Of course some are fatalists. Doesn't mean the majority are or all are. We even have a name for the fatalists.
Until you want to learn what we think, there is no purpose in explaining it. But don't call it an "all" kind of thing, when it is not. There is no free will. Not the same thing as no free agency.
Same thing with "Calvinist." Of course some are fatalists. Doesn't mean the majority are or all are. We even have a name for the fatalists.
Until you want to learn what we think, there is no purpose in explaining it. But don't call it an "all" kind of thing, when it is not. There is no free will. Not the same thing as no free agency.
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Don't stop there. Keep going and see God at work when Man refuses.
[h=1]John 3:17-21[/h][FONT="]17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”[/FONT]
[h=1]John 3:17-21[/h][FONT="]17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”[/FONT]
Oh that is the least-respectable anti-Calvinist argument in the bunch.
Calvinists are fatalistic!
Calvinists are nihilistic!
Calvinists don't do missions!
Calvinists don't care about people!
These charges are built on silly stereotypes. They are to Calvinists what The Big Bang Theory stereotypes are to actual flesh and blood nerds.
Calvinists are fatalistic!
Calvinists are nihilistic!
Calvinists don't do missions!
Calvinists don't care about people!
These charges are built on silly stereotypes. They are to Calvinists what The Big Bang Theory stereotypes are to actual flesh and blood nerds.
Nope. That's sort of like saying "all Catholics pray the rosary every day." While it is true some do, it isn't true all do, or even most do.
Same thing with "Calvinist." Of course some are fatalists. Doesn't mean the majority are or all are. We even have a name for the fatalists.
Until you want to learn what we think, there is no purpose in explaining it. But don't call it an "all" kind of thing, when it is not. There is no free will. Not the same thing as no free agency.
Same thing with "Calvinist." Of course some are fatalists. Doesn't mean the majority are or all are. We even have a name for the fatalists.
Until you want to learn what we think, there is no purpose in explaining it. But don't call it an "all" kind of thing, when it is not. There is no free will. Not the same thing as no free agency.
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I'd much rather choose Spurgeon than Prince..... At least Spurgeon stated absolutes & stood on them. Prince states one-verse doctrines & lets his people stand for him.