Calvinism - Another Heresy
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Isn't Gods will always done? Doesn't the Calvinist believe that everything that happens is according to Gods will?
Is it possible that God created Adam to lack only one thing? Adam needed fellowship with his creator Who is God. This fellowship is what sin severed and what Christ restored at the cross.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Is it possible that God created Adam to lack only one thing? Adam needed fellowship with his creator Who is God. This fellowship is what sin severed and what Christ restored at the cross.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I believe The following verse is the Inspired word of God..
2 Peter 3 KJV
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Calvanists declare the above verse to be a lie because they declare that God created some people to be saved and some other people to be cast into the eternal lake of fire.. They claim that those who He predetermined would be saved would not be able to resist His ""irresistible grace"" and that those who He predetermined to be cast into the eternal lake of fire would never be able to accept His ""irresistible grace"" because He would not make it avaliable to them.. Therefore according to calvinists God definitely does want some to perish and never come to repentance.. I find such a belief to be absolutely disgusting and a great insult to the character of God...
2 Peter 3 KJV
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Calvanists declare the above verse to be a lie because they declare that God created some people to be saved and some other people to be cast into the eternal lake of fire.. They claim that those who He predetermined would be saved would not be able to resist His ""irresistible grace"" and that those who He predetermined to be cast into the eternal lake of fire would never be able to accept His ""irresistible grace"" because He would not make it avaliable to them.. Therefore according to calvinists God definitely does want some to perish and never come to repentance.. I find such a belief to be absolutely disgusting and a great insult to the character of God...
God is not evil and would not predestine people to not be saved without them having an input in the matter.
All are sinners and come short of the glory of God,and if you offend in the least of the moral laws you have offended all,and there is none that does good,no not one,and the Bible says what makes you to differ from another person,and God is no respecter of persons,and Jesus said anyone that does the will of God is as blessed as Mary,and everyone that hears the word of God and does it the same is Jesus' mother,brother,and sister.
It does not appear as if God would choose who will be saved,and not saved,without them having the choice concerning it when everybody is on the same level,and in the same boat.
Why would God choose who is saved and not saved without them making the choice when God views all people on the same level.
The Bible says that many are called but few chosen,so God does the calling and choosing on earth,depending on the person if they seek truth,and have the right heart for God to lead them to the truth.
God's kingdom is true love.If God chooses people to be saved without them having the decision concerning it,then God's kingdom is not true love,but robotic love,for they would only love God because they have no choice but to love God seeing no other alternative.
That would mean that love between people would be more love than between God and people,for people make the choice to love each other,and of course God gave us the choice to love Him.
The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,although it did not happen until 4000 years later.
The prophets blood was shed from the foundation of the world,although it was a future event.
Jesus said the kingdom was prepared for the saints from the foundation of the world,but Jesus told the disciples that He goes away to prepare a place for them.
All the works were finished from the foundation of the world,although they were future events.
And so it is,the saints predestined to salvation,not that God chose them in the beginning without them having a choice in the matter,but God already had the plan to give them salvation before He laid down the foundation of the world,so it is the same as if they had the salvation at the foundation of the world,but it was a future event,when the Lamb was slain which was from the foundation of the world.
All the works were finished from the foundation of the world,and although they were future events,is was a plan of God to happen in the future,so it is the same as if it happened at the foundation of the world.
All are sinners and come short of the glory of God,and if you offend in the least of the moral laws you have offended all,and there is none that does good,no not one,and the Bible says what makes you to differ from another person,and God is no respecter of persons,and Jesus said anyone that does the will of God is as blessed as Mary,and everyone that hears the word of God and does it the same is Jesus' mother,brother,and sister.
It does not appear as if God would choose who will be saved,and not saved,without them having the choice concerning it when everybody is on the same level,and in the same boat.
Why would God choose who is saved and not saved without them making the choice when God views all people on the same level.
The Bible says that many are called but few chosen,so God does the calling and choosing on earth,depending on the person if they seek truth,and have the right heart for God to lead them to the truth.
God's kingdom is true love.If God chooses people to be saved without them having the decision concerning it,then God's kingdom is not true love,but robotic love,for they would only love God because they have no choice but to love God seeing no other alternative.
That would mean that love between people would be more love than between God and people,for people make the choice to love each other,and of course God gave us the choice to love Him.
The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,although it did not happen until 4000 years later.
The prophets blood was shed from the foundation of the world,although it was a future event.
Jesus said the kingdom was prepared for the saints from the foundation of the world,but Jesus told the disciples that He goes away to prepare a place for them.
All the works were finished from the foundation of the world,although they were future events.
And so it is,the saints predestined to salvation,not that God chose them in the beginning without them having a choice in the matter,but God already had the plan to give them salvation before He laid down the foundation of the world,so it is the same as if they had the salvation at the foundation of the world,but it was a future event,when the Lamb was slain which was from the foundation of the world.
All the works were finished from the foundation of the world,and although they were future events,is was a plan of God to happen in the future,so it is the same as if it happened at the foundation of the world.
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Why would anyone call Calvinism a heresy? My views are Arminian, but I do respect Calvinism. The five points are very logical and well thought out. There are many Scriptures that can be used to support Calvinist views. There are also many that would seem to support the idea of a free will. If you read verses without theological bias, you will see that this is the case. The debate between Calvinists and Arminians is not so cut and dry. I don't personally agree with limited atonement or irresistable grace but I understand how those holding to reformed views arrive at those conclusions. It seems foolish to discredit all the great Christians who have held to reformed theology and done great things for the church and to label them heretics.
I think you are the one with the problem. You come in here blasting a valid soteriological perspective, one that has survived 400 years. Oh right, actually a major movement of the early Protestant Church, after Luther!
You present no evidence that you even know what Calvinism is about. Then you blast Abigail.
Now, Abigail and I do not always see eye to eye on theology, but she is pretty rational. And SHE has been on this forum a lot longer than I have, in one form or another, since 2008. Not some Johnny come lately person like you!
I am not a Calvinist, but I do lean towards Reformed doctrine. In fact, the more Reformed doctrine I read, the more I lean that way. The more I read my Bible, the more I lean that way. So call me a Reformed Baptist!
I think you need to show a little more respect in this forum. If you disagree with a Biblical viewpoint, the better option would be to post what you believe, rather than come up with all these false rumours about what Calvinism is, when everything you say is either trying to slander people, or presenting half truths and lies.
And a little more respect for Abigail, please! She is a long time member of this forum. You are not! Try proving your credibility, before you go on the attack. Because right now, you have zero credibility with me, or most people, from what I have read.