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G-Day Dcontraversal,
I have it noted in my Bible somewhere, but I'll answer your question with a question: who is qualified and has the power to hold back the full force of sin and the man of sin so that he can be revealed at the proper time in history? Some say that it is Michael the archangel, but I doubt very much that an angel could do this and mankind certainly couldn't do this. That would leave God as the One who is doing the restraining, the Holy Spirit. But, if you would like a scripture demonstrating that the Holy Spirit as being One who restrains, I have one for you:
"Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you."
The Holy Spirit would then be the One who is binding/restraining the strong man/Satan in order for his demons to be cast out. I hope that this is a good and acceptable proof of the Spirit's restraining abilities.
I have it noted in my Bible somewhere, but I'll answer your question with a question: who is qualified and has the power to hold back the full force of sin and the man of sin so that he can be revealed at the proper time in history? Some say that it is Michael the archangel, but I doubt very much that an angel could do this and mankind certainly couldn't do this. That would leave God as the One who is doing the restraining, the Holy Spirit. But, if you would like a scripture demonstrating that the Holy Spirit as being One who restrains, I have one for you:
"Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you."
The Holy Spirit would then be the One who is binding/restraining the strong man/Satan in order for his demons to be cast out. I hope that this is a good and acceptable proof of the Spirit's restraining abilities.
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[FONT="]Proverbs 25:7[/FONT]
[FONT="]For it is better that he say to you, “Come up here,” Than that you should be put lower in the presence of the prince, Whom your eyes have seen.
velation 4:1
[ The Throne Room of Heaven ] After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come uphere, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Revelation 11:12
And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come uphere.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.
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[FONT="]For it is better that he say to you, “Come up here,” Than that you should be put lower in the presence of the prince, Whom your eyes have seen.
velation 4:1
[ The Throne Room of Heaven ] After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come uphere, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Revelation 11:12
And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come uphere.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.
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I apologize I didn't mean to say it was the great tribulation the apostles went through I only meant to say it was a foreshadow of it, what they went thought was indeed tribulation but was only a foreshadow of what is to come the great tribulation is going to be worse than this world has ever seen and ever will
Bro...nice try but no dice....God is consistent when it comes to explaining the detailed workings of the Spirit...not only that but, again there is no reference to the spirit, but there is a reference to TIME.....God is a God of TIMING and it is not yet time...the spirit of disobedience is already working, the apostasy and the man of sin being revealed coincide with each other, humanity must reach a certain state before the man of sin can reveal himself. Satan is working to that end....the man of sin comes after the WORKING AND POWER of SATAN..it is SATAN's WORK not God's work......it is not the spirit that is restraining, but rather time itself......
Now you know what withholdeth that he might be REVEALED IN HIS TIME
Letteth-->Possess, seize, retain, take hold
Let-->HAVE or HOLD FAST
TAKEN-->cause to be, to become, come into being, assembled,brought to pas, to arise
Only he who now possesses, retains or holds, will hold fast until he comes into being, is assembled, brought to pass......
The rise of the beast/man of sin/little horn is after the working and power of Satan..it will be by his power and ability...Satan is the one possessing the power and this fallen world is his Kingdom (presently) he is accurately described as the god of this age.....When it is time and humanity is sufficiently prepared due to apostasy he will come into being and it will be brought to pass.......until then the one who will bring it to pass will continue to hold fast!
Now you know what withholdeth that he might be REVEALED IN HIS TIME
Letteth-->Possess, seize, retain, take hold
Let-->HAVE or HOLD FAST
TAKEN-->cause to be, to become, come into being, assembled,brought to pas, to arise
Only he who now possesses, retains or holds, will hold fast until he comes into being, is assembled, brought to pass......
The rise of the beast/man of sin/little horn is after the working and power of Satan..it will be by his power and ability...Satan is the one possessing the power and this fallen world is his Kingdom (presently) he is accurately described as the god of this age.....When it is time and humanity is sufficiently prepared due to apostasy he will come into being and it will be brought to pass.......until then the one who will bring it to pass will continue to hold fast!
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LYING ABOUT ME ISN'T REALLY LAUGHABLE AT ALL!
I told you I didn't know the two references, which were NOT quoted from scripture, (as you just claimed), merely spun by your own hands. And I even apologized for not knowing. I also said I really never got Revelation until about ten years ago. and yet here you are lying about me, putting words in my mouth that had nothing to do with what I said and then lying to say I claimed anything about my knowledge of Revelation outside of a book that helped me A DECADE AGO!
I'm done with your arrogance, your compulsive need to lie, and your condensation, as if you had anything to be condensated about. You think you're words are golden? Buddy? They aren't even godly. You aren't God and yet your tone is always as if you are.
So shove it sideways! I'd rather learn from bacteria in the S trap of a toilet than learn anything from you. More likely to learn from the bacteria than you anyway.
I told you I didn't know the two references, which were NOT quoted from scripture, (as you just claimed), merely spun by your own hands. And I even apologized for not knowing. I also said I really never got Revelation until about ten years ago. and yet here you are lying about me, putting words in my mouth that had nothing to do with what I said and then lying to say I claimed anything about my knowledge of Revelation outside of a book that helped me A DECADE AGO!
I'm done with your arrogance, your compulsive need to lie, and your condensation, as if you had anything to be condensated about. You think you're words are golden? Buddy? They aren't even godly. You aren't God and yet your tone is always as if you are.
So shove it sideways! I'd rather learn from bacteria in the S trap of a toilet than learn anything from you. More likely to learn from the bacteria than you anyway.
Why do you guys always do the same thing? You ask for proof and then when it is given, all you do is produce an apologetic .
It wasn't a nice try. It was right on! The scripture demonstrates that in order for a demon to be cast out of a person, Satan, the prince of all demons, must be restrained/bound and as the scripture demonstrates, Jesus said that He was casting out demons through the Spirit. I think that I proved my point that the Spirit is the one restraining Satan in order for demons to be cast out. In the same way, the Spirit is currently restraining the full force of sin and the man of sin from being revealed until God's appointed time, not Satan's.
If you think that Satan is the one who is restraining the man of lawlessness, I would remind you of the very thing that the scripture above states i.e. "if Satan is divided, then his kingdom cannot stand." There is no way in the world that Satan is the one who is holding back the man of lawlessness from being revealed until his proper time. Man, with God as my witness, you are way off on this! That answer took me completely by surprise!
It sounds like you are saying the same thing that the religious leaders said to Jesus in the scripture above. For they claimed that Jesus was casting out demons by the power of Satan, when he was doing it by the power of the Spirit, and you are saying that Satan is the one who is restraining, when it is being done by the Spirit.
The language of the scripture doesn't even suggest that Satan is the one holding him back. God is the one who is holding back the full force of sin and the man of sin and that according to his will. Why would Satan do that? I'm positive that if Satan had his way, the full force of sin and the man of sin would have already been revealed long ago. God is the one orchestrating the revealing of that man of sin according to his time-table. You might want to reconsider what you have said here, even confess and repent.
It wasn't a nice try. It was right on! The scripture demonstrates that in order for a demon to be cast out of a person, Satan, the prince of all demons, must be restrained/bound and as the scripture demonstrates, Jesus said that He was casting out demons through the Spirit. I think that I proved my point that the Spirit is the one restraining Satan in order for demons to be cast out. In the same way, the Spirit is currently restraining the full force of sin and the man of sin from being revealed until God's appointed time, not Satan's.
If you think that Satan is the one who is restraining the man of lawlessness, I would remind you of the very thing that the scripture above states i.e. "if Satan is divided, then his kingdom cannot stand." There is no way in the world that Satan is the one who is holding back the man of lawlessness from being revealed until his proper time. Man, with God as my witness, you are way off on this! That answer took me completely by surprise!
It sounds like you are saying the same thing that the religious leaders said to Jesus in the scripture above. For they claimed that Jesus was casting out demons by the power of Satan, when he was doing it by the power of the Spirit, and you are saying that Satan is the one who is restraining, when it is being done by the Spirit.
The language of the scripture doesn't even suggest that Satan is the one holding him back. God is the one who is holding back the full force of sin and the man of sin and that according to his will. Why would Satan do that? I'm positive that if Satan had his way, the full force of sin and the man of sin would have already been revealed long ago. God is the one orchestrating the revealing of that man of sin according to his time-table. You might want to reconsider what you have said here, even confess and repent.
HAHAHHAHAA this is funny...
a) Your the one who made reference to studying plenty
b) The two scriptures I quoted I posted so I did not spin them with my own hands
c) If you got Revelation 10 years ago you should have known the reference in Revelation I made
d) To the underlined part...good thing I am not easily offended which is a sign of immaturity........
That's ok...I will be biblical...If I offended you I apologize......the Kitchen gets HOT sometimes and if you cannot handle the heat..........
My apologies then, because you said, "Satan is working to that end." The scripture refers to the one who is restraining as "the one" and as a "He" and therefore, it could not be speaking about time as being the restrainer. Below is the scripture:
"And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but [the one] who now holds it back will continue to do so till [he] is taken out of the way.
In the scripture above, "The one" and "he" cannot be referring to "time" as the one holding back the man of lawlessness. It is obvious from the scripture that there is deliberate and purposeful force that is restraining the full force of sin and that man of sin from being revealed.
"And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but [the one] who now holds it back will continue to do so till [he] is taken out of the way.
In the scripture above, "The one" and "he" cannot be referring to "time" as the one holding back the man of lawlessness. It is obvious from the scripture that there is deliberate and purposeful force that is restraining the full force of sin and that man of sin from being revealed.
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Here I will help you and then you can apologize for attributing to me things that I did not say.....
Bro...nice try but no dice....God is consistent when it comes to explaining the detailed workings of the Spirit...not only that but, again there is no reference to the spirit, but there is a reference to TIME.....God is a God of TIMING and it is not yet time...the spirit of disobedience is already working, the apostasy and the man of sin being revealed coincide with each other, humanity must reach a certain state before the man of sin can reveal himself. Satan is working to that end....the man of sin comes after the WORKING AND POWER of SATAN..it is SATAN's WORK not God's work......it is not the spirit that is restraining, but rather time itself......
Now you know what withholdeth that he might be REVEALED IN HIS TIME
Letteth-->Possess, seize, retain, take hold
Let-->HAVE or HOLD FAST
TAKEN-->cause to be, to become, come into being, assembled,brought to pas, to arise
Only he who now possesses, retains or holds, will hold fast until he comes into being, is assembled, brought to pass......
The rise of the beast/man of sin/little horn is after the working and power of Satan..it will be by his power and ability...Satan is the one possessing the power and this fallen world is his Kingdom (presently) he is accurately described as the god of this age.....When it is time and humanity is sufficiently prepared due to apostasy he will come into being and it will be brought to pass.......until then the one who will bring it to pass will continue to hold fast!
Bro...nice try but no dice....God is consistent when it comes to explaining the detailed workings of the Spirit...not only that but, again there is no reference to the spirit, but there is a reference to TIME.....God is a God of TIMING and it is not yet time...the spirit of disobedience is already working, the apostasy and the man of sin being revealed coincide with each other, humanity must reach a certain state before the man of sin can reveal himself. Satan is working to that end....the man of sin comes after the WORKING AND POWER of SATAN..it is SATAN's WORK not God's work......it is not the spirit that is restraining, but rather time itself......
Now you know what withholdeth that he might be REVEALED IN HIS TIME
Letteth-->Possess, seize, retain, take hold
Let-->HAVE or HOLD FAST
TAKEN-->cause to be, to become, come into being, assembled,brought to pas, to arise
Only he who now possesses, retains or holds, will hold fast until he comes into being, is assembled, brought to pass......
The rise of the beast/man of sin/little horn is after the working and power of Satan..it will be by his power and ability...Satan is the one possessing the power and this fallen world is his Kingdom (presently) he is accurately described as the god of this age.....When it is time and humanity is sufficiently prepared due to apostasy he will come into being and it will be brought to pass.......until then the one who will bring it to pass will continue to hold fast!
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My point about Satan is that he is working to that end...IE to bring about the rise of the man of sin.......and that it is not yet TIME that is why the man of sin is NOT being revealed.....Look I apologize...we all read past each other, assume, make comments that can be construed with heat and anger etc.....
You really want to go with that? "Father time" is a modern designation and I'm sure that he Holy Spirit didn't have that in mind when he referred to the "He" in the verse. In all honesty, the scripture is speaking about the restrainer as a "He" and as "the one" and time would not be referred to in that way. The only possible candidate as the one who is restraining the full force of sin and that man of sin from being revealed, is the Holy Spirit. The revealing of that man of lawlessness is God's doing in fulfillment of the seventy seven year periods that were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem. The revealing of that man of lawlessness/anitchirst, who is represented by that 1st seal rider on the white horse, is what initiates that last seven years and Jesus is the One breaking the seals.
Neither would the Spirit based upon the consistency of God and the rest of the word.......and you have failed to show at least two sets of scripture in context that proves it is the spirit that restrains.....
and my statement stands....The BEAST/LITTLE HORN/MAN OF SIN will not be revealed until IT IS TIME for the BEAST/LITTLE HORN/MAN OF SIN to be revealed....regardless of who or what is restraining!
and my statement stands....The BEAST/LITTLE HORN/MAN OF SIN will not be revealed until IT IS TIME for the BEAST/LITTLE HORN/MAN OF SIN to be revealed....regardless of who or what is restraining!
Here is an interesting thought, Paul made mention that the Thess KNEW what was restraining the man of sin(antichrist) because Paul had already told them in person. Maybe no one wants to go this deep, but the real antichrist is a mighty spirit being that is presently restrained in a place called the bottomless pit, which is a prison for spirit beings, he will be released at the time designated by God. The Antichrist is presently restrained in the prison for spirits...the bottomless pit,maybe I just answered the question of what is restraining the Antichrist?
Hello samuel23,
Taking all of the scriptural information into consideration, my understanding is this, the beast is that angel of the Abyss identified at the sounding of the 5th trumpet. The antichrist is an actual man, who when the 5th trumpet sounds, that angel of the Abyss, the beast who once was and now is not, will come up out of the Abyss and will be the power behind that antichrist. Regarding this, if you will remember, in Dan.9 the angel Gabriel told Daniel that as soon as he had began to pray that he was sent to give Daniel an answer, but he was detained 21 days by the prince of Persia and Michael the archangel had to come and help Gabriel. That said, Gabriel was not speaking about the human prince of Persian, but the fallen angel and his demonic army that was the power behind the human prince of Persia. In the same way, I believe that the angel of the Abyss, the beast, once he comes up is going to be the supernatural power behind the antichrist.
Another reason why I say this is because, the 1st seal is representing the revealing of the antichrist as the rider on the white horse, but the beast doesn't come up out of the Abyss until the sounding of the 5th trumpet, which is just prior to the middle of the seven years.
Taking all of the scriptural information into consideration, my understanding is this, the beast is that angel of the Abyss identified at the sounding of the 5th trumpet. The antichrist is an actual man, who when the 5th trumpet sounds, that angel of the Abyss, the beast who once was and now is not, will come up out of the Abyss and will be the power behind that antichrist. Regarding this, if you will remember, in Dan.9 the angel Gabriel told Daniel that as soon as he had began to pray that he was sent to give Daniel an answer, but he was detained 21 days by the prince of Persia and Michael the archangel had to come and help Gabriel. That said, Gabriel was not speaking about the human prince of Persian, but the fallen angel and his demonic army that was the power behind the human prince of Persia. In the same way, I believe that the angel of the Abyss, the beast, once he comes up is going to be the supernatural power behind the antichrist.
Another reason why I say this is because, the 1st seal is representing the revealing of the antichrist as the rider on the white horse, but the beast doesn't come up out of the Abyss until the sounding of the 5th trumpet, which is just prior to the middle of the seven years.