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trofimus

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Walid Shoebat, a former terrorist, now Christian is able to read Arabic. He says that it's not numbers but the same symbols that are on the headbands of the Muslim terrorists. Is a band on the right arm too.

Forgot this tidbit so am editing..

symbolically, head is thoughts, hands - power or works, and feet - walk of life.
I heard this theory and I must admit that the similarity between 600 60 6 in Greek and the muslim writing they bear on their head is astonishing.

On the other hand, John says its the sum of the name. So I am not sure whether this applies.
 

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"But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes (bring about controversy)." (2 Timothy 2:23)
 

Ahwatukee

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Hello stonesoffire and Happy Holidays!

symbolically, head is thoughts, hands - power or works, and feet - walk of life


The above is a false teaching, for there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to apply a symbolic or spiritual meaning to the coming mark. Therefore, there is no reason to ignore the face value of the scripture.

"He also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

The system that the mark will use is and has been in place for some time. Currently, people are making purchases via the swiping of cards and the use of cell phone bank apps. as a means of electronic crediting and debiting (buying and selling). The technology for that device that will go on or under the skin is already here and has been for some time. As the world continues on, the device that will replace cards, phone bank apps and whatever other devices there are, will continue to evolve in fulfillment of that coming mark.

I believe that what is going to happen is that, leading up to the time of the antichrist and his mark, eventually the false prophet will make cash, checks, card swiping and cell phone apps obsolete so that only that mark remains as the only method of electronic credit and debiting. The result will be that, in order for a person to be able to perform electronic transactions, they will have to have that mark, because nothing else will be acceptable.

We already have people in Europe being implanted with RFID chips under the skin of their hands. Click on the link below to check out the following BBC Newscast from Jan. 2015:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31042477
 
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Oh come one..... any person who ever read revelation knows you are far off, and they don't even have to be smart to know

Revelation 13:16-18 - And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads

Not have from birth. Receive. Two very different things.

Revelation 14:9-11 -


9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,[SUP] 10 [/SUP]The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the bea

his ("it's") Mark. The mark of the beast. Why would God give us the mark of the beast?
Especially considering the consequences
 

Ahwatukee

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his ("it's") Mark. The mark of the beast. Why would God give us the mark of the beast? Especially considering the consequences


Hello wwjd,

First of all, you will never find anywhere where I said that God gives us the mark. God is not the one giving us the mark of the beast. For those who are here on the earth during the time of God's wrath, it will be a decision for each individual whether or not to receive it, which will be enforced by the second beast, the false prophet.

By receiving the mark, it will align the individual who receives it with the antichrist/beast. The scripture that you posted above states what the consequences will be for those who receive the mark of the beast. Those saints who belong to Christ will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark in their hands or foreheads. And because of this, they will be enemies of the beast and his kingdom with many being killed because of their faith (Rev.20:4-6)
 
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Hello wwjd,

First of all, you will never find anywhere where I said that God gives us the mark. God is not the one giving us the mark of the beast. For those who are here on the earth during the time of God's wrath, it will be a decision for each individual whether or not to receive it, which will be enforced by the second beast, the false prophet.

By receiving the mark, it will align the individual who receives it with the antichrist/beast. The scripture that you posted above states what the consequences will be for those who receive the mark of the beast. Those saints who belong to Christ will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark in their hands or foreheads. And because of this, they will be enemies of the beast and his kingdom with many being killed because of their faith (Rev.20:4-6)[/COLOR]
I know that. :) I was reasoning with the OP claim that we are born with the mark of the beast. ...and if we were, that would have meant God gave it to us
 

Ahwatukee

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I know that. :) I was reasoning with the OP claim that we are born with the mark of the beast. ...and if we were, that would have meant God gave it to us
Oh, since you did not include a quote and it was right under my post, I figured that it was in response to my post. Didn't read the other post that you were referring to. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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The beast,man of sin,will be in to the occult,nature worship,and witchcraft,that does not acknowledge any god,but honors the God of forces,the evolutionary process,who will convince the world he has harnessed the power of nature,and achieved power,and the false prophet will do miracles,like cause fire to rain down,to convince the world that the beast did receive power through nature,and gave this power to the false prophet,and share this power with all who follow him,which the new age movement believes the New Age Christ will restore the hidden mysteries where people had power,but lost it.

The occult believes in the power of numbers,and they like to group numbers together,and times numbers together,thinking it will create more power.

6 is the number of a man,so the man of sin assigned the number 666,a triple 6,to him,thinking it will give him more power.

666 is the number of a man,the man of sin.

Count the number of the beast.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

Mark.

charagma
khar'-ag-mah
From the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue): - graven, mark.

charax
khar'-ax
From “charasso” (to sharpen to a point; akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching); a stake, that is, (by implication) a palisade or rampart (millitary mound for circumvallation in a siege): - trench.

600,60,6,three words,Chi Xi Stigma,which I believe the mark of the beast will be the microchip pout under the skin with a hypodermic needle.

The beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind,but mankind can solve their own problems,and have peace,by their own technology,and devices.

The mark of the beast will be something that will know everybody's location on earth by way of satellite.If a crime happens in an area they will know who was in the area,and how close they were to the crime scene,which will cut down on crime for people will be afraid to commit a crime knowing they will be found out.

Used for identification of the person,and no person may buy or sell without the mark,which all information about them will be put in the mark,which when scanned with show up on computer,all information about them including financial records,for the world will be cashless,with a picture of them on computer.

The 2 witnesses are sent to witness to the Jews,and turn them to the truth that Jesus is God,and their Messiah,which God has done all through the history of the Jews is when they went astray He would bring them back to the truth,and He will do it again,which Jesus said they will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,but they will turn to Jesus as a nation.
 
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Hello stonesoffire and Happy Holidays!

The above is a false teaching, for there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to apply a symbolic or spiritual meaning to the coming mark. Therefore, there is no reason to ignore the face value of the scripture.

"He also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

The system that the mark will use is and has been in place for some time. Currently, people are making purchases via the swiping of cards and the use of cell phone bank apps. as a means of electronic crediting and debiting (buying and selling). The technology for that device that will go on or under the skin is already here and has been for some time. As the world continues on, the device that will replace cards, phone bank apps and whatever other devices there are, will continue to evolve in fulfillment of that coming mark.

I believe that what is going to happen is that, leading up to the time of the antichrist and his mark, eventually the false prophet will make cash, checks, card swiping and cell phone apps obsolete so that only that mark remains as the only method of electronic credit and debiting. The result will be that, in order for a person to be able to perform electronic transactions, they will have to have that mark, because nothing else will be acceptable.

We already have people in Europe being implanted with RFID chips under the skin of their hands. Click on the link below to check out the following BBC Newscast from Jan. 2015:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31042477
I agree the OP is false teaching, but disagree with that old theory too. Like a pet's implanted chip, it's likely human chips would be implanted at birth, to be updated as needed through the years. The whole process would have to be clearly understood as one's choice between masters for God to allow such a device to cause the bearer to go to hell. Also, many people in the world have no bank account, but barter, labor or trade for food and other things.

As to the OP, it's clear the Greek doesn't allow a concept of 666 equal to six, six and six. Counting the three atomic particles would equal 18 anyway. There are more than those three types of atomic particles in every atom, by the way.
 
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Well in my humble opinion Christian's need to break new ground if they want to reach out to the scientifically minded of today.

That being said

Jesus himself said things in his generation that caused much of the same attitude you can see above.
Even to the point of calling him and his spirit (Satanic)

Which as we all know lead to his crucifixion.
All we have to do is spread the seed... bible verses, the Lord is the one who saves people.:)
 

Ahwatukee

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Hello Word-swordsman,

The whole process would have to be clearly understood as one's choice between masters for God to allow such a device to cause the bearer to go to hell. Also, many people in the world have no bank account, but barter, labor or trade for food and other things.


The whole process will be clearly understood, as there will be an angel announcing it to the inhabitants of the earth. Also, those who worship the beast and receive his mark, will be those whose names were not written in the book of life from before the world began, as the following scripture demonstrates:

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All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the creation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was slain"

God has mercy upon whom he will have mercy and compassion upon whom he will have compassion.

Regarding the mark, it is a moot point since people are already being implanted with chips. Whatever the device ends up being, it will be under the skin of the hand or the forehead and that for the ability to be able to electronically credit and debit their bank accounts.
 
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As far as the mark of the beast being implanted at birth,or any other time would not count.They could give people the microchip right now,and it would not mean a thing.It is not the microchip that dooms people if given for the purpose of cutting down on crime,knowing everyone's location on earth,and all information about them,and finances on computer,to cause the world to operate a little smoother.

It is the purpose behind it,for they will know the beast's agenda,know what he stands for,worships him,all before taking the mark of the beast.They are clear in what he represents,and stands for,and that he is against Christianity,and is of the occult,and witchcraft,and believes in no God,before they take the mark of the beast.

Without going along with the beast,and his agenda,the microchip means nothing,but trying to make things smoother.

Giving a baby the microchip means nothing in the way of dooming the baby,or anybody that is not actually going along with the beast,for if they did try to implement the chip it would mean nothing without the agenda of the beast,and it will not happen until the beast shows up,and his agenda,and they follow him.

When they take the mark of the beast they are going against God,and Christianity,and that is what dooms them.
 
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I know that. :) I was reasoning with the OP claim that we are born with the mark of the beast. ...and if we were, that would have meant God gave it to us
I got who your comment was directed at......and I agree....
 

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I'm sorry but did you say God gave us the mark? The mark that is said in the bible to be given only by the antichrist? is this a joke or are you being serious?
 

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The Number of the ‘Beast’—666—Whose Number Is It?
Here are all the scriptures speaking directly of this number:

“And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast,or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six”
(Revelation 13:17-18).

“And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten
the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the
number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God”
(Revelation 15:2).

Note From these scriptures, we have the following definite points:

1. The beast has a number and may be identified, if we have wisdom,
by this number.

2. The number is 666.

3. We are told to count this number—that is, add it up. The same Greek word
is used elsewhere only in Luke 14:28: Count the cost.

4. This number, 666, is the number of the beast. The only Bible interpretation
of this symbol, “beast,” is a kingdom or the king who rules it and, therefore,
really is the kingdom (Daniel 7:17-18, 22-24, 27).

Therefore 666 must be the number of the kingdom, or government, or empire,
as well as that of the king who founds or rules it.

5. The expression “the name of the beast, or the number of his name” makes plain
that the number 666 is the number of the name of the kingdom or empire.

6. The expression “it is the number of a man” shows we must also count this number
in the name of the king, or ruler, over the kingdom identified as the “beast.”

The Beast Is Not the Woman [a church]

In the 17th chapter of Revelation we find a beast, and a woman—a great, wealthy
but fallen woman—who was riding the beast. The Bible describes the symbol “woman”
to mean a church (see 2?Corinthians 11:2; Revelation 19:7; Ephesians 5:22-27).

The beast of Revelation 13 is not the woman who rode the beast
—the beast is the government, and the woman is a church.

The beast of Revelation 13 is the Roman Empire!

This beast had a deadly wound (Revelation 13:3). That means the beast ceased altogether
to exist or function as it had since 31 b.c. Yet its deadly wound was later healed, after which
(verse 5) it continued to exist another 1,260 years!

The Founder of Rome

The founder and first king of Rome was Romulus.
The Roman Empire was named after him.
His name, the name of a man, also is the name of the kingdom.
And every citizen in the kingdom bears the same name—a Roman.

When John wrote this Revelation, telling us to count the number of the beast,
he wrote in the Greek language. Consequently, we should look for this name,
and the number 666, in this language recognized in the Bible, not in the Latin.

We are all familiar with the Roman numerals, where letters are used for numbers.
All understand that I is 1, v is 5, x is 10, etc. But many do not know that the Greek
language, in which the book of Revelation was written, also uses letters for numbers.

In the Greek this name was understood in the second century a.d. to have originally
been spelled Lateinos. It signifies “Latin man” or “the name of Latium,”
from which region the Romans derived their origin and their language.

This word, too, signifies “Roman.” In the Greek, l is 30, a is 1, t is 300, e is 5,
I is 10, n is 50, o is 70, s is 200. Count these figures. They count to exactly 666!

It is indeed no coincidence that the name of the kingdom, its founder and first king,
and of each man in the kingdom, counts to exactly 666!

Certainly the beast stands identified!
 
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Miri

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Haha! Thanks for the laugh! Best joke of the day, the OP! Perhaps next time, it would be better to post in the Conspiracy Forum found on the main page.

Keep up the work! I've never seen anyone exegete that badly before!
I had a friend who wouldn't buy anything priced at £9.99 as it was 666 upside down :p
 
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Count the NUMBER has nothing to do with calculating costs or "large amounts of calculations", the context is not there in this verse. It simply means count the number 666.
OK... so to you, pre-school counting is what God considers "Wisdom".

I disagree.

When God goes out of his way to say "Here is Wisdom" or "Here is the mind that hath Wisdom", One can rest assured that One will be receiving information so profound and amazing that very few, if anyone, even knows about... much less understand it.

God even goes as far as saying "Let him that hath understanding", on top of "Here is Wisdom" basically making this information very, very Scholarly.

But whatever... you can count to potato and it's a big feat for you.

Aren't you special.

:rolleyes:
 
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Haha! Thanks for the laugh! Best joke of the day, the OP! Perhaps next time, it would be better to post in the Conspiracy Forum found on the main page.

Keep up the work! I've never seen anyone exegete that badly before!

Ecclesiastes 7:25
"I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness"

 
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I'm sorry but did you say God gave us the mark?
Of course not.

Just goes to show that folks don't bother reading.

I said, and I quote...

Don't panic, it's just a preview.
For you see... the real Mark of the Beast has to do with Transhumanism
With all due respect, if you folks don't get the fact that our bodies are the Temple and that placing an Idol in there is pretty much the worst thing One can do, then you folks are seriously lost.

What did Manasseh do that was so bad, God had to finally put the smack down?



By the way... it's number 14 on the list for those that are potato challenged.

Manasseh placed an idol in the House of God.

That's called Genetic Engineering.

So many of you will fall for it, that it makes me sad.

Even the one's mocking me right now, believe it or not, I will weep when you GMO yourselves not knowing what you are getting yourselves into.
 
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OK... so to you, pre-school counting is what God considers "Wisdom".

I disagree.

When God goes out of his way to say "Here is Wisdom" or "Here is the mind that hath Wisdom", One can rest assured that One will be receiving information so profound and amazing that very few, if anyone, even knows about... much less understand it.

God even goes as far as saying "Let him that hath understanding", on top of "Here is Wisdom" basically making this information very, very Scholarly.

But whatever... you can count to potato and it's a big feat for you.

Aren't you special.

:rolleyes:
Nothing in the bible is complicated, God only requires us to BELIEVE him and that's it. I don't need a theologian, scientist, physist or anything else to KNOW what the mark of the beast is. I BELIEVE God and I know what the mark is, if you would believe "count the number" then you would know what it is too.

By the way, carbon is the basis of ALL LIFE not just human life so carbon having 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons has nothing to do with humans ONLY and it has nothig to do with COUNTING 666. Why don't you just believe the bible? Give it a try, count the number and see what you come up with.