Milennium Literal or Figurative?

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I haven't studied it too much but I believe it is literally 1000 years, what is your opion and why?
 

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I haven't studied it too much but I believe it is literally 1000 years, what is your opion and why?
Hello KJV,

Regarding the thousand years, there should really be no controversy regarding whether it is literal or symbolic. The only reason that there is a controversy is because of the preterists and the amillennialists and that because a literal thousand years does not fit their belief system. Regarding this, there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to apply a symbolic or allegorical interpretation to the thousand time period. If one takes into consideration the context, reading the scripture at face value, then they will plainly understand that there will be a literal thousand years during at which time Satan will be literally bound in the Abyss and Christ will be reigning from Jerusalem, on the throne of king David, in fulfillment of the prophesies.

But fact of the matter is that, scripture plainly states that there will be a thousand year period six times from Rev.20:1-7. This period is shown to take place after Christ returns to the earth to end the age, as defined in Rev.19:11-21.
 

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The period of time is literal. If it's not then why specify that it is a 1000 years long. During this time Satan will be bound. At the end of the Millennium he will be released to deceive the nations once again. It states this in the book of Revelation.
 
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Some people believe the millennial reign is spiritual,but Jesus has been reigning ever since He resurrected to heaven,and the Bible says He will rule with a rod of iron,which people are still running amuck,and being disobedient.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

There is peace for 1000 years for Satan is not deceiving the nations at that time,which there has not been peace for 1000 years.

And here is the peace.

Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

God spared some of the people that fought against Jerusalem,Israel,and that is who Jesus and the saints rule over in the millennial reign.Satan is loosed and deceives those people,and they go against Jesus and the saints,and God rains fire on them,and the millennial reign is over.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

That is the millennial reign when the kingdom is restored to Israel,and there is no operating Gentile government.
 
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Why? Do you believe these verses have been fulfilled?

Revelation 20:2-7 KJV
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
 
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Personally believe it's literal. it wasn't written as a parable of any sort for it to be figurative. The only question is will a year still go by the 12 months we currently use or will God put a new system in place.
 

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Why? Do you believe these verses have been fulfilled?

Revelation 20:2-7 KJV
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
personally I believe we are in the little season
 
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personally I believe we are in the little season
Are you game for going for a verse by verse explanation, if so how/when was this accomplished? And what evidence do you base Satan being bound on?

And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
 

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Personally believe it's literal. it wasn't written as a parable of any sort for it to be figurative. The only question is will a year still go by the 12 months we currently use or will God put a new system in place.
G-Day PrynceNY,

I believe that both Daniel and Revelation are based on 30 days as equaling a month, with 360 days being a year. This time period is referred to in Revelation as 1260 days, forty-two months and a time, times and a half a time. These references are referring to the two 3 1/2 year periods that make up that last seven year period in fulfillment of the seventy seven year periods that was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem.

Regarding the 1260 days when the two witnesses prophecy, I believe that their time of prophecy will be during the first 3 1/2 years. The reference to when the beast is given power to make war and conquer the great tribulation saints, is in reference to that last 3 1/2 years, with the setting up of the abomination being what divides the two 3 1/2 year periods. The 1260 days that the Woman/Israel will be cared for will also be during that last 3 1/2 years.

Two witnesses prophecy = 1260 days - Rev.11:3

Beast is given authority over the saints = forty-two months - Rev.13:5-8

The Woman/Israel is cared for out in the wilderness = 1260 days or for a time, times and half a time. - Rev.12:6,14

a Time = 1 year, Times = two years, half a time = six months or half a year (3 1/2 years)
 

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That's actually a good question you posed. I know that with god a day is like a thousand years and in bible prophecy days are not always spoken of as the 24 hours but seasons or times.

Not to mention time is an illusion our perception of time changes how time operates at least in our own eyes, you also have to consider about the time table being used the one the hebrews use is different from ours their days are not the same as ours either. but if a thousand years is literal then when did the thousand years begin? if it's not literal then has it started already?
 
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G-Day PrynceNY,

I believe that both Daniel and Revelation are based on 30 days as equaling a month, with 360 days being a year. This time period is referred to in Revelation as 1260 days, forty-two months and a time, times and a half a time. These references are referring to the two 3 1/2 year periods that make up that last seven year period in fulfillment of the seventy seven year periods that was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem.

Regarding the 1260 days when the two witnesses prophecy, I believe that their time of prophecy will be during the first 3 1/2 years. The reference to when the beast is given power to make war and conquer the great tribulation saints, is in reference to that last 3 1/2 years, with the setting up of the abomination being what divides the two 3 1/2 year periods. The 1260 days that the Woman/Israel will be cared for will also be during that last 3 1/2 years.

Two witnesses prophecy = 1260 days - Rev.11:3

Beast is given authority over the saints = forty-two months - Rev.13:5-8

The Woman/Israel is cared for out in the wilderness = 1260 days or for a time, times and half a time. - Rev.12:6,14

a Time = 1 year, Times = two years, half a time = six months or half a year (3 1/2 years)
Hello brother Ahwatukee,


Yea I'm aware of the 3 1/2 year period of revelation. Since the lord is going to create a new heaven & earth was unsure if he'd create a new system calendar or keep what we currently have. Thanks
 
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G-Day PrynceNY,

I believe that both Daniel and Revelation are based on 30 days as equaling a month, with 360 days being a year. This time period is referred to in Revelation as 1260 days, forty-two months and a time, times and a half a time. These references are referring to the two 3 1/2 year periods that make up that last seven year period in fulfillment of the seventy seven year periods that was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem.

Regarding the 1260 days when the two witnesses prophecy, I believe that their time of prophecy will be during the first 3 1/2 years. The reference to when the beast is given power to make war and conquer the great tribulation saints, is in reference to that last 3 1/2 years, with the setting up of the abomination being what divides the two 3 1/2 year periods. The 1260 days that the Woman/Israel will be cared for will also be during that last 3 1/2 years.

Two witnesses prophecy = 1260 days - Rev.11:3

Beast is given authority over the saints = forty-two months - Rev.13:5-8

The Woman/Israel is cared for out in the wilderness = 1260 days or for a time, times and half a time. - Rev.12:6,14

a Time = 1 year, Times = two years, half a time = six months or half a year (3 1/2 years)
This is not on subject but I've asked this question many times and have never gotten an answer. The verse below is the same time peroid as you were talking about. Jerusalem has been under gentile control for the last 2000 years how does this figure into the "7 year tribulation"?

Revelation 11:2 KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
 
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I haven't studied it too much but I believe it is literally 1000 years, what is your opion and why?
It could be both. I know that in my life I had things seemingly under control for about twenty years. Then trouble broke loose. Therefore, to me, it is figurative. 1000 years simply meant: a long time.
 

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The only question is will a year still go by the 12 months we currently use
or will God put a new system in place.


I think we will go back to Gods calander, and timing, nothing new to the one who made it.
We most definetly will not use a calander with heathen origans[solar-sun ].


In this future verse, the moon is used, and the weekly Sabbath.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,
and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

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Psalms 104:19 (KJV)
He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

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In ancient biblical times, a year was figured on a basis of twelve 30-day months.
Previous to the time, in Moses’s day, when God gave His people the sacred calendar,
the 30-day month was used.

Notice Genesis 7:11: “In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month,
the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep
broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.” Now verse 24: “And the waters
prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.”

Next, Genesis 8:3-4: “And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and
after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated. And the ark rested
in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.”

So notice—the flood started on the 17th day of the second month. At the end of 150 days,
the ark rested on Mount Ararat, on the 17th day of the 7th month. That was five months
to the day. Five 30-day months are precisely 150 days. So months, then, were 30-day months!
 
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I haven't studied it too much but I believe it is literally 1000 years, what is your opion and why?
I agree.....believe it or not ;)

Scriptural references such as....

Satan Bound for a 1000 years as Jesus rules as Lord.....
 

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This is not on subject but I've asked this question many times and have never gotten an answer. The verse below is the same time peroid as you were talking about. Jerusalem has been under gentile control for the last 2000 years how does this figure into the "7 year tribulation"?

Revelation 11:2 KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
The reference to the Gentiles trampling the holy city (Jerusalem) for 42 months, is in reference to when that abomination is set up in the holy place within the temple. When the antichrist establishes his seven year covenant with Israel and Islam, it will allow them to build their long-awaited temple, which will be built on the temple mount. I believe that this will put the dome of the rock in the outer court, which is why the angel tells John not to measure it, because it has been given over to the Gentiles/Islam.

In the middle of that seven year agreement, the antichrist/beast will break his agreement and will set up that abomination in the holy place within the temple, which I believe is synonymous with the image that the false prophet has the inhabitants of the earth make in honor of the beast, as found in Rev.13:14-15.

The time of the Gentiles will be fulfilled at the end of that last 3 1/2 period when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. The beast and the false prophet will be thrown alive into the lake of fire. And Satan will be thrown into the Abyss and restricted there during Christ's thousand year reign.

 
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The reference to the Gentiles trampling the holy city (Jerusalem) for 42 months, is in reference to when that abomination is set up in the holy place within the temple. When the antichrist establishes his seven year covenant with Israel and Islam, it will allow them to build their long-awaited temple, which will be built on the temple mount. I believe that this will put the dome of the rock in the outer court, which is why the angel tells John not to measure it, because it has been given over to the Gentiles/Islam.

In the middle of that seven year agreement, the antichrist/beast will break his agreement and will set up that abomination in the holy place within the temple, which I believe is synonymous with the image that the false prophet has the inhabitants of the earth make in honor of the beast, as found in Rev.13:14-15.

The time of the Gentiles will be fulfilled at the end of that last 3 1/2 period when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. The beast and the false prophet will be thrown alive into the lake of fire. And Satan will be thrown into the Abyss and restricted there during Christ's thousand year reign.

Jerusalem has been tread under foot of the gentiles for the last 2000 years. What's supposed to happen, is the antichrist going to kick the gentlies out for 3 1/2 years then let them back in to tread Jerusalem under foot again?
 

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“a time, and times, and half a time.” The “time” is one prophetic year; the “times”
is two more prophetic years; and the whole expression is 31/2 prophetic “times,”
which is a literal 1,260 days—or 31/2 years of 30-day months.

Seven of these “times” then would be 2,520 days,
and if a day-for-a-year basis, 2,520 years!
 

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Jerusalem has been tread under foot of the gentiles for the last 2000 years. What's supposed to happen, is the antichrist going to kick the gentlies out for 3 1/2 years then let them back in to tread Jerusalem under foot again?
No, the trampling of the city and the temple, is specifically referring to that time period of when that seven year agreement is made. Israel builds her temple and will be making sacrifices and offerings. During that first 3 1/2 years the Gentiles will not be trampling the holy city or the temple. But then, in the middle of the seven years, the false prophet will set up the abomination in the holy place and the sacrifices will be stopped, and this is when they will trample the holy city for 42 months, with the time of the Gentiles coming to an end when Christ returns to end the age at the end of that last 3 1/2 years.