Women Pastors? Help me.

[Dagallen]

The topic is on a woman pastor.

 

[Dagallen]

The 10 commandments of God and the new covenant are in perfect harmony but the old covenant was in conflict with the 10 commandments, as Christ did not come to fulfill the laws of Moses, He came to fulfill the laws of God.

 

[wolfwint]

The Corinthians church were still living according to the laws of Moses, therefore Paul addressing it according to the laws of Moses, if anyone makes the choice to run a church according to the laws of Moses, then they shall be held according to the laws of Moses, as Paul was addressing the topic according to the agreement God made with man, under the old covenant, however Paul himself excepted the new covenant that Christ put in place, as Paul says, God forbid if we still had to live under the laws of Moses. So, what we have is the old covenant that was replaced with a new covenant. As Paul is correct on both accounts, meaning what ? If your choice is the old covenant, then you will be held accountable under the old covenant but if your choice is the new covenant, then you are held accountable under the new covenant, through Christ and the new covenant, we are set free from the old covenant, as Paul addresses the Corinthian church the way he did because the Corinthian church was still living under the old covenant by choice but we were given a better choice by Christ himself.

If you read historical background then you will find out that the Corinthians came mostly from pagan background! And not from Hebrew background. That means the most dident know anything about the law of Moses. And still you gave no answer to my questions. Why not?

 

[wolfwint]

The topic is on a woman pastor.

Right and what has what you wrote to do with woman Pastors? You ignoring the Scripture. Why?

 

[Dagallen]

Right and what has what you wrote to do with woman Pastors? You ignoring the Scripture. Why?

Every time this topic comes up, where is it most people go to in scriptures ? Paul who was addressing the leader of the Corinthians church and the story of Adam and Eve.

 

[Dagallen]

If you read historical background then you will find out that the Corinthians came mostly from pagan background! And not from Hebrew background. That means the most dident know anything about the law of Moses. And still you gave no answer to my questions. Why not?

Who are the pagans ? Where did the name pagans come from ?

 

[Dagallen]

If you read historical background then you will find out that the Corinthians came mostly from pagan background! And not from Hebrew background. That means the most dident know anything about the law of Moses. And still you gave no answer to my questions. Why not?

Tell me again, what is your question ? Be simple and to the point ?

 

[wolfwint]

Tell me again, what is your question ? Be simple and to the point ?

Then please read again post 1142 and the other question:
Is that what Paul wrote through the Holy Spirit word of God ore not?

 

[StanJ]

You can't show me Scripture which says that woman can be Pastor/ Leader/Overseer of a church and the history is maximum 200 years old.

You accuse everybody of going off topic but you do the same thing. The topic is women pastors not woman leaders or woman overseers so you show me exactly where the Bible says a woman cannot be a pastor? And don't tell me they mean the same thing because they don't they are three different Greek words.

 

[wolfwint]

Who are the pagans ? Where did the name pagans come from ?

Sorry, i suppose the word gentile is better. In eye of the Jews, the greec are gentiles. And they did know nothing about Moses and the law.

 

[wolfwint]

Who are the pagans ? Where did the name pagans come from ?

Sorry, i suppose the word gentile is better. In eye of the Jews, the greec are gentiles. And they did know nothing about Moses and the law.

 

[wolfwint]

Then please read again post 1142 and the other question:
Is that what Paul wrote through the Holy Spirit word of God ore not?

Dagellen, were the questions clear enough?

 

[Dagallen]

Sorry, i suppose the word gentile is better. In eye of the Jews, the greec are gentiles. And they did know nothing about Moses and the law.

Gentiles were country dwellers, as the Gentiles were given a Latin name, called Pagans.

 

[StanJ]

Gentiles were country dwellers, as the Gentiles were given a Latin name, called Pagans.

Gentile is ANY person that was not of the Jewish/Judaic faith. Even back then, not all Jews were born in Israel and not all Israelites were of the Jewish/Judaic faith.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
God has always been about ORDER, who is in charge of this, who is in charge of that. ORDER, Chain of Command. It is written in the Word of God,

Husband Rules over the wife.
Wife obey her husband in everything.
Wife make sure to reverence her husband.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say that because Adam was formed first, husbands are to "rule" their wives.

Scriptures plainly teach that Husband shall rule over the wife.

Gen_3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he (HUSBAND) shall rule over thee (WIFE).

And Scriptures plainly reveals that it is important who was formed first, consider:

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. (God seems to think it pretty important to mention it in His Word) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Scriptures plainly teach that women were made for the man:

I Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Nor does it say anywhere that "wives are to obey their husbands in everything".

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in EVERY THING.

Rather, Ephesians 5 tells wives to "submit to" their husbands. Children and slaves are to obey. "Obey" and "submit" are not true synonyms.

Can you explain what the bolded words mean in the next Holy Inspired by God verse?

Tit 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, OBEDIENT to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Doesn't Obedient mean to OBEY? Aren't the aged women, according to God (the Word), suppose to be teaching the wives to be OBEDIENT to their own husbands? Not in America for sure. Get stoned if you do, in a country where the women have become men, and the men have become obedient to their wives.

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
These things are to be DONE, not undone. not ignored, not made void, not interpreted away to mean something else. Scriptures are clear what ORDER God set up from Adam and Eve. It's not Eve and Adam.

The issue of "order" as you call it, is your interpretation. You seem very concerned about this. Only because of the wickedness of the human heart is there concern about which is in charge. Truly, Jesus is the One in charge. Both must submit to His Lordship. [/quote]

Seems to me the Word of God also seems to think it is pretty important as well, when it comes to the issue of Husbands and wives. For Scriptures made sure to mention, who is the Head of who, who is to obey who, who was made first, who was made for whom. Do i teach these things or does Scriptures teaches these things. What is it to me, if the women of this generation chooses to ignore the Word of God because they do not agree with it. What you did in your statement is called deference. Instead of understanding that it is Scriptures that has an issue with this particular topic, you direct it at me, saying that i am the one with the issue. Therefore because you think, it comes from me, and i am the one that seems to be very concerned about, you don't have to be concerned about it, because it comes from me. That is deference. The Word of God plainly teaches these things concerning the Husband and the Wife, what is it to me, if you think i am the one concerned about it?

Agreed, it's not "Eve and Adam" but it also isn't "Adam over Eve". Rather, it is "Adam and Eve"... together, partners alongside one another. Sequence, not hierarchy.

You teach it is not hierarchy, Scriptures plainly teaches it is. Husband is to Rule over the wife. Wife is to obey her husband. woman was made for the man. Husband is the Head of the wife. Hierarchy for sure. Jesus is over the Church, yes? Is it not instructed of wives to submit to their husband even as the Church to Jesus? Hierarchy.

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

There are two types of Women Christians in the world. Those who Believe and DO what the Word of God says, and Those who don't DO what it says.

Same goes for males; your point adds nothing to the discussion.

Are we not talking about wives, women? The point is still True, regardless if YOU think it adds to the discussion or not.

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
Please excuse my ignorance, i have no clue as to what you are saying here. please enlighten my ignorance.

Our nicknames (Dino246, DiscipleDave, Demi777 etc.) are printed at the top left of each posting in blue for males and pink for females.

i did not know that. Thanks for enlightening me on that matter. Up until now, i never knew who i was talking to male or female, unless it was clearly evident (male picture) This is good to know. Thank you.

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Very True, and there are many poor interpretations. Interpretations belong to God NOT to men.

Interpretation of prophecy belongs to God (2 Peter 1:20). Interpretation of Scripture is for humans. It is practically impossible to read Scripture and not interpret. I've clarified this previously.

Where is that written anywhere in all of Scriptures Old or New, that interpretation of Scriptures belong to humans? Sure we are to try to understand what Scriptures is trying to teach us or tell us, and sure we are to study Scriptures, knowing what is where, and what is written and what is not written. But when someone interprets the Scriptures to fit into their own false doctrines this is not of God.

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[DiscipleDave]

Our nicknames (Dino246, DiscipleDave, Demi777 etc.) are printed at the top left of each posting in blue for males and pink for females.

i just noticed all of mine are Blue, even you. i don't think i have ever seen a pink nicknames. must be something in settings.

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[DiscipleDave]

The Word of God and what it actually says:

Tit 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Watered down version to fit into the last days generation way of thinking:

Titus 2:1-8
You, however, must teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine. 2 Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of respect, self-controlled, and sound in faith, in love and in endurance.
3 Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4 Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.
6 Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled. 7 In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness8 and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.

These instructions were to the Christian Community as a whole and still are, but they say nothing about a woman not being able to teach a man or vice versa.

Those verses say nothing about teaching over a man that is true, this verse does however teach they are not to do so:

1Ti_2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

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DiscipleDave

 

[StanJ]

The Word of God and what it actually says:

Watered down version to fit into the last days generation way of thinking:

Those verses say nothing about teaching over a man that is true, this verse does however teach they are not to do so:

1Ti_2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Are you also KJVO?

The most accurate English versions are the NET & NIV.
https://danielbwallace.com/2012/10/08/fifteen-myths-about-bible-translation/

The context of 1 Tim 2:12 is of a husband and wife. Even the version you quoted says the man not a man or all men. The man is equivalent to the husband.

 

[Dagallen]

1 Corinthians 7:4 a man has authority over a woman's body and a woman has authority over a man's body. I believe is would apply to husband and wife, submission to one another, this would apply to Adam and Eve.

 

[wolfwint]

1 Corinthians 7:4 a man has authority over a woman's body and a woman has authority over a man's body. I believe is would apply to husband and wife, submission to one another, this would apply to Adam and Eve.

Hey Dagellen, i still wait for your answers to post 1172