Does the gift of prophecy include preaching?

[presidente]

Dependent on the Blueletter bible? that's fine but I don't ultimately depend with that references. I study the word. Okay, dialogue is an English word originated(transliteration) from it yet to say it was not true to translation is quite wrong. You cannot translate a word for word. This would depend on the context.

I don't recall saying any translation used 'dialogue' for the word. I have seen 'taught' and the use of the word 'discourse' here. The word is not usually translated 'preach.' There are certain words usually translated 'preach' that are used in evangelistic contexts.

God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. That means that we hear an evangelistic message presented (whether at a crusade, through open air preaching, from an individual during a conversation, etc.) believe and are saved. That does not mean that we gradually get saved by hearing thousands of three-point sermons 'preached' from pulpits throughout our lifetime.

We should not read the idea of the Sunday sermon or a pulpit-pew scenario into the New Testament.

 

[fredoheaven]

I don't recall saying any translation used 'dialogue' for the word. I have seen 'taught' and the use of the word 'discourse' here. The word is not usually translated 'preach.' There are certain words usually translated 'preach' that are used in evangelistic contexts.

God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. That means that we hear an evangelistic message presented (whether at a crusade, through open air preaching, from an individual during a conversation, etc.) believe and are saved. That does not mean that we gradually get saved by hearing thousands of three-point sermons 'preached' from pulpits throughout our lifetime.

We should not read the idea of the Sunday sermon or a pulpit-pew scenario into the New Testament.

The OP is all about the gift of prophecy that include preaching and I say it Yes!. I have no problem with your evangelistic contexts whereas I am saying especially to prophesy includes preaching where the church is edified. I have given scriptures that supports it and you do not believe.

PREACH THE WORD!

 

[presidente]

The OP is all about the gift of prophecy that include preaching and I say it Yes!. I have no problem with your evangelistic contexts whereas I am saying especially to prophesy includes preaching where the church is edified. I have given scriptures that supports it and you do not believe.

PREACH THE WORD!

I'm the one whose been backing up what I say with scripture, in our conversations. I don't always quote the verse. I'll give the chapter number and what it says, though, and you can look it up. I believe the scriptures, but I also believe in actually reading it carefully and believing the details.

'Preaching a sermon' which is actually most likely 'teaching' or 'exhortation' in the terminology Paul uses is edifying. At least it should be, and if it isn't, it shouldn't be spoken in the assembly. But not all edifying speech is prophesying.

In Romans 12, prophesying, teaching, and exhortation are three different gifts. Prophets and teachers are different gifts in I Corinthians 12. Prophets, evangelists, and pastors and teachers are three distinct types of ministers in Ephesians 4.

There may be overlap. Prophesying can exhort. The content of some prophesying may be teaching. But prophesying occurs when the Spirit moves someone to speak, and it is revelatory in nature, as I pointed out from II Peter 1 and I Corinthians 14 earlier.

 

[garee]

I'm the one whose been backing up what I say with scripture, in our conversations. I don't always quote the verse. I'll give the chapter number and what it says, though, and you can look it up. I believe the scriptures, but I also believe in actually reading it carefully and believing the details.

'Preaching a sermon' which is actually most likely 'teaching' or 'exhortation' in the terminology Paul uses is edifying. At least it should be, and if it isn't, it shouldn't be spoken in the assembly. But not all edifying speech is prophesying.

In Romans 12, prophesying, teaching, and exhortation are three different gifts. Prophets and teachers are different gifts in I Corinthians 12. Prophets, evangelists, and pastors and teachers are three distinct types of ministers in Ephesians 4.

There may be overlap. Prophesying can exhort. The content of some prophesying may be teaching. But prophesying occurs when the Spirit moves someone to speak, and it is revelatory in nature, as I pointed out from II Peter 1 and I Corinthians 14 earlier.

God is no longer bringing any new prophecy(God's word) .The elect will not be deceived. They take heed to the warning in Revelation 22.

If someone would come along today and says:I have a revelation from God, he is putting himself in the same place of the holy men of old that were moved by Holy Spirit. But whatever they say is not from God .God's revelation is complete (perfect).

Tongues are for a sign to those who believe not prophecy. No such thing a s a sign gift unless you consider a sign of rebellion, is a gift. .

 

[presidente]

garee,

The Bible commands 'Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings." The natural outcome of the your interpretation is disobedience to that verse, and also rejecting the prophecies of the two witnesses.

 

[oldethennew]

the prophets speak to this, they are continually telling us that IF we do 'such and such',
then there will be results - we do reap what we sow - sometimes they get VERY specific
about the events that will inevitably come to pass, consequences of our behavior...

 

[Silverwings]

"In the last days it shall be,' says God,*that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;*your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,*your young men shall see visions,*and your old men shall dream dreams. Even on My menservants and maidservants*I will pour out My Spirit in those days;*and they shall prophesy" (Acts 2:17-18).

Mirriam Webster Dictionary

Definition of prophesy
prophesied; prophesying
transitive verb
1
: to utter by or as if by divine inspiration
2
: to predict with assurance or on the basis of mystic knowledge
3
: prefigure
intransitive verb
1
: to speak as if divinely inspired
2
: to give instruction in religious matters : preach
3
: to make a prediction

 

[samuel23]

I would not rely too heavily on Mirriam for a definition of prophecy, the bible explains what prophecy is much better. Real prophecy from God is when God the Spirit actually gives a person a word for word message. Preaching is different in that the preacher describes to people what he already knows by being instructed from the written word of God. Prophecy in our time(when it is real) is to encourage people, not to instruct people about personal things they should do in their life.

 

[garee]

Prophecy is the word of God. To prophecy is to declare the word of God. We preach Christ by declaring His word .We as a kingdom of priest are called prophets.

 

[CS1]

Paul wanted all Christians to prophesy because the one who prophesies builds up the church. What was he mainly talking about? Prediction of future events; revelation of unknown information; or preaching, teaching and exhorting?

Prophesying is not the same thing as Prophecy The context of 1cor 12, 13, 14 is the gifts of The Holy Spirit for the body of Christ. to build up , edify and comfort. Prophesying is speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit the " Word of God.". Prophecy has to be taken in the context in which it is given. example foretelling of events that have not yet happen Matt 23 when Jesus foretold of the destruction of the Temple this had not happened yet. Prophecy was a warning to the Disciples When Jesus said it.

 

[Johnny_B]

Paul wanted all Christians to prophesy because the one who prophesies builds up the church. What was he mainly talking about? Prediction of future events; revelation of unknown information; or preaching, teaching and exhorting?

​Yes a proclamation of the Word of God, that's what he's talking about in I Corinthians 14:1, 3. Paul says in Ephesians 4:11 He gave some apostles, and some prophets, and some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.

 

[Stephen63]

Prophecy is the word of God. To prophecy is to declare the word of God. We preach Christ by declaring His word .We as a kingdom of priest are called prophets.

Actually, no it's not. Satan can & has declared or quoted God's word.

To prophesy is to speak for God, when God sends it.

Anointed preaching is indeed prophesying, but those hirelings that preach off the internet & outta books are not.

Amos 8 prophesied to Israel of a famine of the words of the Lord. They would go into captivity & not hear from God.

The 400+ years before John the Baptist was a spiritual famine, with no prophets at all.

Now in the falling away, there's a new famine of hearing the words of the Lord..... false teachers & prophets leading christians astray by the millions because they had no respect for & belittled God's Word. They walk in ignorance purposely, being baby christians & nothing more.

When the time came when they ought to be teachers, they have need again to be taught the first principles.

Now they're getting their just due..... being turned over to a reprobate mind, while still believing they're going to Heaven.

Anointed preachers are still out there, but few want to hear them. Now they are criticized & accused of liberal intolerance.

 

[Willie-T]

Actually, no it's not. Satan can & has declared or quoted God's word.

To prophesy is to speak for God, when God sends it.

Anointed preaching is indeed prophesying, but those hirelings that preach off the internet & outta books are not.

Amos 8 prophesied to Israel of a famine of the words of the Lord. They would go into captivity & not hear from God.

The 400+ years before John the Baptist was a spiritual famine, with no prophets at all.

Now in the falling away, there's a new famine of hearing the words of the Lord..... false teachers & prophets leading christians astray by the millions because they had no respect for & belittled God's Word. They walk in ignorance purposely, being baby christians & nothing more.

When the time came when they ought to be teachers, they have need again to be taught the first principles.

Now they're getting their just due..... being turned over to a reprobate mind, while still believing they're going to Heaven.

Anointed preachers are still out there, but few want to hear them. Now they are criticized for their liberal intolerance.

LOL Sometimes you're better than a comedy act.

 

[Stephen63]

LOL Sometimes you're better than a comedy act.

Thank you for confirming what I just posted.

 

[garee]

Actually, no it's not. Satan can & has declared or quoted God's word.

Yes he does, he would be a false prophet knowing the end of that work.(worship me and I wil give you all the kingdoms of this world)

Balaam’s Ass which represents a unbeliever was used to bring prophecy . it worked to restrain the man who was beating it.This shows us God is not served by human hands(will)

Numbers 22:27 And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff......And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

To prophesy is to speak for God, when God sends it.

Yes he sends apostles(sent ones) to speak or declare the word of God (prophecy)

All believers in that sense are apostles and prophets.

Remember God is not adding to prophecy. Today for over two thousand years to prophecy is to declare that which is perfect /complete. We no longer know it part the perfect has come. There are no laws missing by which we could know him more adequately.

 

[samuel23]

The NT mentions some Christians who were actually called prophets and who gave prophecy just like in the OT, they told of things that would happen that had not yet happened. Prophets were originally called seers because they could see by the Spirit what had not yet happened. That was entirely different then the preaching in the NT where people presented the gospel message as they had been taught it. Today we have a boatload of preachers preaching and almost no prophet giving a prophecy. There are folks today who claim to be prophets and they are mostly wrong, like the old lady prophet who claimed the Spirit had told her that Trump would not be president. There was another kind of prophecy in the NT church where people, under the leading of the Spirit, spoke words of encourage to the church. Some churches practice that kind of prophecy but it is so easy to fake that who knows if it is the Lord or just the person.

 

[presidente]

Mirriam Webster Dictionary

Definition of prophesy
prophesied; prophesying
transitive verb
1
: to utter by or as if by divine inspiration
2
: to predict with assurance or on the basis of mystic knowledge
3
: prefigure
intransitive verb
1
: to speak as if divinely inspired
2
: to give instruction in religious matters : preach
3
: to make a prediction

And only one definition is relatively close to the Biblical concept, 'to speak as if divinely inspired.' One problem is that people bring in 'pop' definitions with them when they read the Bible.

A good passage to look at is where Peter described prophecies of old as holy men ​spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

[presidente]

Balaam’s Ass which represents a unbeliever was used to bring prophecy . it worked to restrain the man who was beating it.This shows us God is not served by human hands(will)

Numbers 22:27 And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff......And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

I've heard a number of times people assert that God spoke through Balaam's donkey. The Bible does not say that Balaam's donkey prohpesied. The Lord opened its mouth and was able to say what it wanted to say. The Lord enables multitudes of people to speak:

Exodus 4
Then the LORD said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the LORD?
(ESV)

That does not mean that everyone who speaks prophesies. The Bible never says the donkey prophesied.

Remember God is not adding to prophecy. Today for over two thousand years to prophecy is to declare that which is perfect /complete. We no longer know it part the perfect has come. There are no laws missing by which we could know him more adequately.

The Bible is clear that not all prophesying was recorded in the Bible. There are plenty of references to extra-Biblical revelation, like the prophecies that Samuel spoke between the opening of I Samuel, and when he appears later in the book as an old man, the prophecies of Micaiah that Ahab did not like before his one prophetic message which is recorded in the Bible, the vision of the man in the third heaven who was not allowed to speak of his revelation, and the seven thunders in Rvelation which said something that was not allowed to be written in the book of Revelation. Revelation predicts two witnesses that would prophesy later.

Paul wrote in I Corinthians 1:7, 'so that ye come behind in no spiritual gift, waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." When the perfect comes, Paul's understanding that he had when he wrote those scriptures will be like a child's in comparison to his understanding after it comes. But by reading the Bible, we can hope to attain to the understanding of those who wrote it.


Ephesians 3:4
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

 

[Johnny_B]

If anyone can prove me wrong, I'll be thankful to them - I'm just looking for the truth. If by PROPHECY -- in I COR 14 -- Paul means PREACHING, then women can preach.

I Corinthians 14:32-35 As in all the churches of the saints,34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

If we could read Greek it would be made clear, Paul uses two different words that were translated prophecy, a proclamation of the future works of God, "prophēteuō", in I Corinthians 13:2, 9, 14:1, 3, 4, 5, 24, 31 and 39, the other to prophecy, proclaiming God's revealed truths, "prophēteia", in I Corinthians 12:10, 13:2, 8 and 14:6 and 22.

With makes me wonder if he is using more than one word for, tongues.

 

[JaumeJ]

Here is your affirmation from Revelation:
Rev 19:10 And I fell down before his feet to worship him. And he saith unto me, See thou do it not: I am a fellow-servant with thee and with thy brethren that hold the testimony of Jesus: worship God; for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.