6000 years and the distance of Stars

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My faith has never been the same since it was pointed out to me that we can observe stars going supernova 10 billion Light Years From Earth. If the entire universe is only 6000 years old and the earth is the oldest thing in it then how did a star live out it's entire life cycle, go supernova and have it's light travel 10 billion light years to reach us?
Who says the scientists are right,like how can they actually measure how old the earth is,and how far a star is away,and how long ago this dinosaur existed,and how long age that one,and all their other claims.

1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee.

Scientists make claims that you know they cannot measure.

I will not say how old the earth is but they make outrageous statements that no way can they understand and know.

It puts some people that believe the Bible in a cross between the two,and they try to harmonize creation with science,for they believe science is telling the truth,but Jesus said there would be a lot of deception at this time,and evil men shall wax worse and worse,deceiving,and being deceived.
 
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Ahwatukee

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Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth the sea and all that is in them... Yom only means one thing here. Genesis is the only place in the Bible where people argue about the meaning of yom.
Correction to the previous post:
Just FYI, non of those statistics that Rondonmon has provided are not supported by scripture. No where is the age of the Universe listed, much less the length of a day outside of the literal evening and morning. It's conjecture only. God's creation doesn't have to be explained within the realm of science. I have no problem with God creating the sun, moon and stars in one literal 24 day.
 
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Correction to the previous post:
Just FYI, non of those statistics that Rondonmon has provided are not supported by scripture. No where is the age of the Universe listed, much less the length of a day outside of the literal evening and morning. It's conjecture only. God's creation doesn't have to be explained within the realm of science. I have no problem with God creating the sun, moon and stars in one literal 24 day.
I believe that creation is a literal 6 days,and that is because God is an omnipresent Spirit.

God does not have to move,for He is already there,so while He is creating one star,He can create another star at the same time.God can create all the stars all at the same time,for He does not have to move,so the time it takes Him to create one star,He created them all.

That is how He can do it so fast,for He is an omnipresent Spirit,that does not have to move,and can create the sun,moon,and stars,all at the same time,and create all the birds,and fish,at the same time,so the time it takes Him to create one,He created them all.

God does not need to use evolution to create,for He created Eve right after Adam,right on the spot.
 

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I believe that creation is a literal 6 days,and that is because God is an omnipresent Spirit.

God does not have to move,for He is already there,so while He is creating one star,He can create another star at the same time.God can create all the stars all at the same time,for He does not have to move,so the time it takes Him to create one star,He created them all.

That is how He can do it so fast,for He is an omnipresent Spirit,that does not have to move,and can create the sun,moon,and stars,all at the same time,and create all the birds,and fish,at the same time,so the time it takes Him to create one,He created them all.

God does not need to use evolution to create,for He created Eve right after Adam,right on the spot.
Morning JesusRules1,

I whole-heartedly agree with you and is pretty much the same thing that I said throughout the other posts. Scripture states that God created the sun, moon and stars on the fourth day, and I don't have a problem with him speaking them into existence in a 24 hour period. I also believe that Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day. God's creation is not restricted to the confines of science. My post above is in agreement with what you believe.
 

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Good day Rondonmon,

The above is based on science. God is not restricted to working within the realm of science. If he says that he created the sun, moon and stars on day four, which consisted of the evening and the morning, then I believe that. What you are suggesting is based on evolution. Remember, God can speak things into existence in a moment. There was no need for planets to develop. God does not have to work within the realm of science.
Hello Brother in Christ, Greetings

No sir, it is not based on Evolution it is based on God creating and giving Commands out as each period ended. Day one the command went forth for all the Stars/matter/planets to come forth. The Second day could not happen until the Earth and the Sun came forth at the 4.5 Billion BC mark. Because as we see on the 2nd Day, the Earth is in existence, as is the Sun of course because our Earth can not exist without the Sun to hold it in its rotation, it would just be a planet flying through space, on a course to collide with something else, and it would be destroyed.

The Earth and Sun was formed on the Second Day, we understand to have a "Firmament" that you have to have a Planet and a Sun in place, the Firmament is the Arch the separates our Atmosphere from Space. It has to have GRAVITY to be held to Earth, which requires a Sun and Earth. So the Sun and Earth was around on the Second Day. That Day then lasted from 4.5 Billion years until the first Grasses came along, since they came forth on the THIRD DAY which through much study was about 900 Million years BC. God of course had to bring forth the Dry Land on this day before the Grasses and trees came forth.

The Fourth Day gets very interesting, God commanded the Seasons. Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years
: NOT MANY SEEM TO GET THIS, The Moon and the Earth had a major collision at about this time, if the two had hit head on in a full impact, both would have been destroyed, more than likely, but they hit a glancing blow, both were close in size, but the Earth gained matter from the moon, and the moon diminished in size. We have a unique, very large moon which keeps us stable and our weather stable to a certain degree. If the Moon and Earth was not as they are, our weather could be much more violent, if they were not SET just as they are, our Earth could very well wobble, and have odd SEASONS !! With Days in parts of the Earth not lasting very long, in the center, not at the poles, and they could change with the wobble at various times. Causing chaos in to our weather. GOD SET THE SEASONS. He did not create the Sun after the Earth, that just is not reality and could never be reality. Let there be lights to DIVIDE THE DAY from the NIGHT, meaning he set the AXIS so we would have proper Days and thus PROPER LIGHT. And night light by the Moon also of course. (The Lesser light to rule the Night).

And let them be for SIGNS, (Stars we follow or used to use them for Navigation) and for SEASONS, and for DAYS and for YEARS......God set the Seasons to the exact perfect time to fit our Earth. ITS TRUE.....Amen.

Then if you study, the Marine or Sea Animals appeared first on earth, the Land animals latter. Well that is exactly what God says !! The Fifth Day, God created (NOT EVOLUTION) God Created the Sea Creatures, Whales, Birds to carry the Seeds etc. etc. on the 5th Day which lasted from 550-500 Million BC to around 300-350 Million BC.

Then on the Sixth Day, God CREATED (Not Evolution Brother...Smile) the Land Animals the Creeping things, the Cattle etc. etc. etc. One of His Creations were the DINOS, God then allowed an Asteroid to destroy the DINOS at the 70 Million BC mark. And eventually at the 6000 BC mark, God Created MAN in His own Image. Scientists say man has been around one Hundred Thousand years or more, I SAY, that "Man" was not us, he had no Soul, or he was not given an impartation by God. Only when God Created us in His Image and gave us a Soul were we Human Beings, and that happened 6000 Years ago.

This is God Creating the universe in 13.7 Billion Years, then Resting after He created Man on the Sixth Day. And He is in His Rest as we speak. It is true, God could change the Laws of Nature if He wanted to, but since he lives in ALL TIMES AT ONCE why would He ? He commanded it 13.7 Billion Years ago, and it was finished as soon as He commanded it, because he lives in the future also.

God Bless....
 

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Day one the command went forth for all the Stars/matter/planets to come forth.



And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

As you can see, scripture states that the sun, moon and stars were created on the fourth day. Why would you even suggest that they were created on the first day? This theme of departure from scripture is familiar to me. Is this Gregg by any chance?
 

Ahwatukee

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Hello Brother in Christ, Greetings

No sir, it is not based on Evolution it is based on God creating and giving Commands out as each period ended. Day one the command went forth for all the Stars/matter/planets to come forth. The Second day could not happen until the Earth and the Sun came forth at the 4.5 Billion BC mark. Because as we see on the 2nd Day, the Earth is in existence, as is the Sun of course because our Earth can not exist without the Sun to hold it in its rotation, it would just be a planet flying through space, on a course to collide with something else, and it would be destroyed.

The Earth and Sun was formed on the Second Day, we understand to have a "Firmament" that you have to have a Planet and a Sun in place, the Firmament is the Arch the separates our Atmosphere from Space. It has to have GRAVITY to be held to Earth, which requires a Sun and Earth. So the Sun and Earth was around on the Second Day. That Day then lasted from 4.5 Billion years until the first Grasses came along, since they came forth on the THIRD DAY which through much study was about 900 Million years BC. God of course had to bring forth the Dry Land on this day before the Grasses and trees came forth.

The Fourth Day gets very interesting, God commanded the Seasons. Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years
: NOT MANY SEEM TO GET THIS, The Moon and the Earth had a major collision at about this time, if the two had hit head on in a full impact, both would have been destroyed, more than likely, but they hit a glancing blow, both were close in size, but the Earth gained matter from the moon, and the moon diminished in size. We have a unique, very large moon which keeps us stable and our weather stable to a certain degree. If the Moon and Earth was not as they are, our weather could be much more violent, if they were not SET just as they are, our Earth could very well wobble, and have odd SEASONS !! With Days in parts of the Earth not lasting very long, in the center, not at the poles, and they could change with the wobble at various times. Causing chaos in to our weather. GOD SET THE SEASONS. He did not create the Sun after the Earth, that just is not reality and could never be reality. Let there be lights to DIVIDE THE DAY from the NIGHT, meaning he set the AXIS so we would have proper Days and thus PROPER LIGHT. And night light by the Moon also of course. (The Lesser light to rule the Night).

And let them be for SIGNS, (Stars we follow or used to use them for Navigation) and for SEASONS, and for DAYS and for YEARS......God set the Seasons to the exact perfect time to fit our Earth. ITS TRUE.....Amen.

Then if you study, the Marine or Sea Animals appeared first on earth, the Land animals latter. Well that is exactly what God says !! The Fifth Day, God created (NOT EVOLUTION) God Created the Sea Creatures, Whales, Birds to carry the Seeds etc. etc. on the 5th Day which lasted from 550-500 Million BC to around 300-350 Million BC.

Then on the Sixth Day, God CREATED (Not Evolution Brother...Smile) the Land Animals the Creeping things, the Cattle etc. etc. etc. One of His Creations were the DINOS, God then allowed an Asteroid to destroy the DINOS at the 70 Million BC mark. And eventually at the 6000 BC mark, God Created MAN in His own Image. Scientists say man has been around one Hundred Thousand years or more, I SAY, that "Man" was not us, he had no Soul, or he was not given an impartation by God. Only when God Created us in His Image and gave us a Soul were we Human Beings, and that happened 6000 Years ago.

This is God Creating the universe in 13.7 Billion Years, then Resting after He created Man on the Sixth Day. And He is in His Rest as we speak. It is true, God could change the Laws of Nature if He wanted to, but since he lives in ALL TIMES AT ONCE why would He ? He commanded it 13.7 Billion Years ago, and it was finished as soon as He commanded it, because he lives in the future also.

God Bless....
I'll stick with the evening and the morning referring to a 24 hour day, if you don't mind. My God didn't require billions of years to create things. If he wants to tell me that each day of creation was millions of years long, then I'll wait for him to tell me that. But in the mean time, I will believe what is in His word.
 
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People used to think the Earth is flat. Just because some scientists, most of whom are atheists, give reference to billions of years, doesn't mean they're correct. Either Jesus lived, died and Resurrected, or He didn't. That needs to be your focus.

Some people still do! :D
 

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My faith has never been the same since it was pointed out to me that we can observe stars going supernova 10 billion Light Years From Earth. If the entire universe is only 6000 years old and the earth is the oldest thing in it then how did a star live out it's entire life cycle, go supernova and have it's light travel 10 billion light years to reach us?
The 6000 year figure is an interpretation of scripture.... It is not scripture..
 
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My faith has never been the same since it was pointed out to me that we can observe stars going supernova 10 billion Light Years From Earth. If the entire universe is only 6000 years old and the earth is the oldest thing in it then how did a star live out it's entire life cycle, go supernova and have it's light travel 10 billion light years to reach us?
Because it is around 14.4 billion

{2:4} These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, {1:1} In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. {1:8} And God called the firmament Heaven. {1:3} And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. {1:4} And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. {1:15} And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.{1:2} And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. {1:6} And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. {1:7} And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament. {1:9} And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear. {1:10} And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. {2:6} But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. {2:5} And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew. {1:11} And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth. {1:12} And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind. {1:20} And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. {1:21} And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind. {1:22} And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. {1:24} And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind. {1:25} And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind. {2:7} And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. {1:27} So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. {1:28} And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. {1:29} And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. {1:30} And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat. {1:31} And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. {2:1} Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
 
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My faith has never been the same since it was pointed out to me that we can observe stars going supernova 10 billion Light Years From Earth. If the entire universe is only 6000 years old and the earth is the oldest thing in it then how did a star live out it's entire life cycle, go supernova and have it's light travel 10 billion light years to reach us?
The Earth is not moving, so the stars are much closer than 10 billion light years. Like several light days. If you believe Earth is flat, the stars are closer still. In the order of 100s of miles.
 
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My faith has never been the same since it was pointed out to me that we can observe stars going supernova 10 billion Light Years From Earth. If the entire universe is only 6000 years old and the earth is the oldest thing in it then how did a star live out it's entire life cycle, go supernova and have it's light travel 10 billion light years to reach us?
I'm not saying that the world is just 6000 years old, but the Lord could easily have created a world that APPEARED to be billions of years older than it really is.
 
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The creation days are defined as a day being from evening to morning....not billions of years. :)

Genesis 1:5
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


Genesis 1:8
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


Genesis 1:13
And the evening and the morning were the third day.


Genesis 1:19
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


Genesis 1:23
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


Genesis 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
 

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The Earth is not moving, so the stars are much closer than 10 billion light years. Like several light days. If you believe Earth is flat, the stars are closer still. In the order of 100s of miles.
in my understanding if the earth were stationary that would not in any way whatsoever affect the distance to the stars.

so where did you get this idea . . ?

 

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((P.S. -- ya'll do know the OP is a one-hit-wonder who posted something he hoped would be divisive and then disappeared, never to return again, right? we had a handful of such 'new members' with exactly one post, a new thread designed to stir up controversy yesterday, all within the space of a couple hours.))
 

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My faith has never been the same since it was pointed out to me that we can observe stars going supernova 10 billion Light Years From Earth. If the entire universe is only 6000 years old and the earth is the oldest thing in it then how did a star live out it's entire life cycle, go supernova and have it's light travel 10 billion light years to reach us?
It seems to me you are pretty gullible. Who told you that 10 Light years from Earth a star went Supernova....


Have you not read the Bible (the Word of God). It tells you God made the Stars and He knows all of their Names. They are Angels!....

Sorry, to burst your bubble God made every thing in 6 (24 hour) days........and he tells you how and what he did. If I were you I would forget the LIES NASA is telling you and find God for real this time.
 

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Then on the Sixth Day, God CREATED (Not Evolution Brother...Smile) the Land Animals the Creeping things, the Cattle etc. etc. etc. One of His Creations were the DINOS, God then allowed an Asteroid to destroy the DINOS at the 70 Million BC mark. ...
It's good that you don't believe in evolution. At least we agree on that! :)
Are you aware of the discovery of soft tissues inside the bones of a T-rex and of the experiments showing that fossil fuels can be produced quickly given the right conditions? Also, what is your view of the Flood? Was it worldwide? I only ask these questions because the more I learn on these subjects, the more I am convinced of a young earth.
 

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My faith has never been the same since it was pointed out to me that we can observe stars going supernova 10 billion Light Years From Earth. If the entire universe is only 6000 years old and the earth is the oldest thing in it then how did a star live out it's entire life cycle, go supernova and have it's light travel 10 billion light years to reach us?
The universe is not 6000 years old. Why should be?
 

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It's good that you don't believe in evolution. At least we agree on that! :)
Are you aware of the discovery of soft tissues inside the bones of a T-rex and of the experiments showing that fossil fuels can be produced quickly given the right conditions? Also, what is your view of the Flood? Was it worldwide? I only ask these questions because the more I learn on these subjects, the more I am convinced of a young earth.
Ah Dino246,,,, there is another world out there awaiting you to discover. to get started simply look at my Blogs.

http://christianchat.com/blogs/bladerunner/10380-flat-earth-bible-part-i.html#comments
 
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Lol this stuff humorous

6 days is like a breath and a breath
Is like 6 days is like a Duracell bunny keeps on going. . tiz whata tiz