My faith has never been the same since it was pointed out to me that we can observe stars going supernova 10 billion Light Years From Earth. If the entire universe is only 6000 years old and the earth is the oldest thing in it then how did a star live out it's entire life cycle, go supernova and have it's light travel 10 billion light years to reach us?
6000 years and the distance of Stars
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Why does the Earth have to be only 6,000 years old? There are old Earth creationists who believe the Earth and universe could be zillions of years old. There is the gap theory- In the beginning, the Earth was without form and void- meaning since there was a void, then there must have been some catastrophe we are not told about in Scripture. I don't think being either a young Earth creationist or an old Earth creationist makes much of a difference- although others here might.
Have a look at the video in the link... it is a creationist explanation of the issue which the OP addresses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssdwNJGfW3Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssdwNJGfW3Q
The Universe is 13.7 Billion years old, the Earth is 4.5 Billion years old. a YOM meaning a Day in Hebrew can mean about 50 things, Day is just one, a period of time is another, fullness is another, an age is another. The first day lasted 9.2 Billion years because on the 2nd Day in Genesis Earth was spoken of, 13.7 - 4.5 = 9.2.
Quantum Fluctuations (God) brought forth Inflation (After Glow) that lasted 380,000 years, then there was 400 Million years of Darkness before any Stars were formed. This makes God right in Genesis when he said that there was DARKNESS ON THE FACE OF THE DEEP !! The Evening (Darkness) CAME FIRST, then the Morning (Stars/Light). After the Darkness is spoken of, then God says, LET THEIR BE LIGHT !! The ORIGINAL meaning of YOM (DAY) in Hebrew was TO BE HOT. (Stars Created) Every Day after the first day has a PERIOD OF TIME also.
The Last day lasted from 300-350 Million BC until 6000 BC when man was Created, all of the Land Animals were Created on this, the 6th Day. On the 6th Day, the dinos were both Created and wiped out. Any man like Creature created before 6000 BC was not created in GODS IMAGE, thus it had no Soul, and was just a LIMITED ANIMAL.
3...2.....1........NO WAY DUDE...................
Way Dude.
Quantum Fluctuations (God) brought forth Inflation (After Glow) that lasted 380,000 years, then there was 400 Million years of Darkness before any Stars were formed. This makes God right in Genesis when he said that there was DARKNESS ON THE FACE OF THE DEEP !! The Evening (Darkness) CAME FIRST, then the Morning (Stars/Light). After the Darkness is spoken of, then God says, LET THEIR BE LIGHT !! The ORIGINAL meaning of YOM (DAY) in Hebrew was TO BE HOT. (Stars Created) Every Day after the first day has a PERIOD OF TIME also.
The Last day lasted from 300-350 Million BC until 6000 BC when man was Created, all of the Land Animals were Created on this, the 6th Day. On the 6th Day, the dinos were both Created and wiped out. Any man like Creature created before 6000 BC was not created in GODS IMAGE, thus it had no Soul, and was just a LIMITED ANIMAL.
3...2.....1........NO WAY DUDE...................
Way Dude.
I agree with you Dino246,
I don't think that there is any reason to believe that a day was any different during the six days of creation then it is now. Then there is the following:
"Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight? If anyone walks in the daytime, he will not stumble, because he sees by the light of this world."
God doesn't have to work within the explanation of science in order to create, for scripture states that all things are possible with God.
I don't think that there is any reason to believe that a day was any different during the six days of creation then it is now. Then there is the following:
"Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight? If anyone walks in the daytime, he will not stumble, because he sees by the light of this world."
God doesn't have to work within the explanation of science in order to create, for scripture states that all things are possible with God.
And if the Universe is 13.7 Billion years old, AND IT IS, then what word was Moses/God suppose to use in a Hebrew Language that had under 4000 Words. And by the way, YOM is used in many places, as things other than DAY.
yowm {yome} from an unused root meaning to be hot; TWOT - 852; n m (Original Meaning is not DAY)
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night) 1b) day (24 hour period) 1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1 1b2) as a division of time 1b2a) a working day, a day's journey 1c) days, lifetime (pl.) 1d) time, period (general) 1e) year
—NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries
Yom means what God meant it to mean, a Period of Time.
yowm {yome} from an unused root meaning to be hot; TWOT - 852; n m (Original Meaning is not DAY)
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night) 1b) day (24 hour period) 1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1 1b2) as a division of time 1b2a) a working day, a day's journey 1c) days, lifetime (pl.) 1d) time, period (general) 1e) year
—NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries
- yom (398a); a prim. root; day:—
- NASB - afternoon*(1), age(8), age*(1), all(1), always*(14), amount*(2), battle(1), birthday*(1), Chronicles*(38), completely*(1),
- continually*(14), course*(1), daily(22), daily the days(1), day(1115), day of the days(1), day that the period(1), day's(6),
- day's every day(1), daylight*(1), days(635), days on the day(1), days to day(1), days you shall daily(1), days ago(1), days'(11),
- each(1), each day(4), entire(2), eternity(1), evening*(1), ever in your life*(1), every day(2), fate(1), first(5), forever*(11),
- forevermore*(1), full(5), full year(1), future*(1), holiday*(3), later*(2), length(1), life(12), life*(1), lifetime(2), lifetime*(1),
- live(1), long(2), long as i live(1), long*(11), midday*(1), now(5), older*(1), once(2), period(3), perpetually*(2), present(1),
- recently(1), reigns(1), ripe*(1), short-lived*(1), so long*(1), some time(1), survived*(2), time(45), time*(1), times*(2), today(172),
- today*(1), usual(1), very old*(1), when(10), when the days(1), whenever(1), while(3), whole(2), year(10), yearly(5), years(13)
Yom means what God meant it to mean, a Period of Time.
Since you are completely convinced that yours is the correct view, I see no further point in attempting to share with you an alternate view. Personally, I'm glad that God gave the seventh yom as a period of rest, and meant approximately 24 hours. If you want to work for six billion years before you rest, go right ahead. 
Now a day is twenty four hours. That is how long it takes the earth to rotate on
its axis in relation to the sun. The sun was created on day four. It does not take
a rocket scientist to figure out that twenty four hours was not necessarily the
measure of time for a day before the sun was created. The length of time is not
a salvation issue. Scientists love to speculate about it and have made up all
manner of stories trying to explain creation without God but they really don't know.
its axis in relation to the sun. The sun was created on day four. It does not take
a rocket scientist to figure out that twenty four hours was not necessarily the
measure of time for a day before the sun was created. The length of time is not
a salvation issue. Scientists love to speculate about it and have made up all
manner of stories trying to explain creation without God but they really don't know.
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If God or Moses wanted to mention deep time, there were ancient Hebrew words to convey that. But they didn't use such words. Also, we have the very first verse that mentions "In the beginning...". This is when God created time. Each successive day has an evening and a morning and is said to be a day. Even before the sun is created. But we know God was the light that pushed back the darkness until then. So it's very, very possible that the earth was already spinning in space in its unformed and non-inhabited form.
The other issue regarding a day referring to a literal 24 hour period is that, according to the law, Israel was to work 6 days and rest on the 7th day, which were/are literal 24 hour days. Those were mimicking the 6 days of work that God did in creation and the 7th day that He rested on. This fact would also support a literal 24 hour period as being a literal day as we know it. The evening and the morning was the 1st day, 2nd day, 3rd day, etc.
Personally, I believe that the age of the earth is unknown, but the creation done on it is 6000 years old, in actual 24 hour days. Another thing to consider and which supports a day as being a literal 24 hour period, can be found in the genealogy given in Luke, which is traced from Jesus as the son of Joseph (so it was thought) all the way back to Adam . Now Adam was created on the sixth day, which would have to be a literal 24 hour day, else how could you have the others in the genealogy who were begotten of Adam having lived literal 24 hour days and then Adam's day of creation be millions of years in length?
Also, regarding the genealogy found in Matthew, they are listed in three sets each of fourteen generations from Abraham to Jesus. That said, and remaining consistent, I would suggest that it would be the same from Abraham back to Adam listed in generations using a literal day as a base for a generation.
Personally, I believe that the age of the earth is unknown, but the creation done on it is 6000 years old, in actual 24 hour days. Another thing to consider and which supports a day as being a literal 24 hour period, can be found in the genealogy given in Luke, which is traced from Jesus as the son of Joseph (so it was thought) all the way back to Adam . Now Adam was created on the sixth day, which would have to be a literal 24 hour day, else how could you have the others in the genealogy who were begotten of Adam having lived literal 24 hour days and then Adam's day of creation be millions of years in length?
Also, regarding the genealogy found in Matthew, they are listed in three sets each of fourteen generations from Abraham to Jesus. That said, and remaining consistent, I would suggest that it would be the same from Abraham back to Adam listed in generations using a literal day as a base for a generation.
Since you are completely convinced that yours is the correct view, I see no further point in attempting to share with you an alternate view. Personally, I'm glad that God gave the seventh yom as a period of rest, and meant approximately 24 hours. If you want to work for six billion years before you rest, go right ahead.
Since you are completely convinced that yours is the correct view, I see no further point in attempting to share with you an alternate view. Personally, I'm glad that God gave the seventh yom as a period of rest, and meant approximately 24 hours. If you want to work for six billion years before you rest, go right ahead.
God is not bound by the constraints of time, as soon as he commands something, since He live in the future,(in all time) it is already done. It really amuses me that people actually believe in a Six Day creation. This coming from a Christian of over 30 years, who will flat out tell anyone that Evolution is a lie from the pits of hell. God Created everything in the Universe, HIMSELF, in a 13.7 Billion year period, but to Him, it was like a mili-second.
The only other way for God to create the Universe you guys see in Six Days is to change the Laws of Nature, I mean we get lights from Stars that took Millions of years to get here, we have oil that came from Dinos that were wiped out 70 Million years ago......And God supposedly, changed all the Natural laws to SPEED EVERYTHING UP !! But why ? God commands it, and He is living in he future, He is the beginning and the ending, so WHY would God have to change the laws of Nature just to speed things up ? He wouldn't, He gave the command, and lived in His creation instantaneously.
I already understand the "Alternative view" I held it myself 20-25 years ago. The Universe is still expanding. The Universe has been mapped out by Microwaves, we can see exactly how old the Universe is, by Microwave Radar. We can see a 400 Million period of DARK AGES and that fits the bible, "There was Darkness on the Face of the Deep"
We can reach people with truth, or we can just pretend that the KJV Bible and the Hebrew Language with its 4000 words vs. our modern English 500,000 words has no problems with translations or with one word having 50 meanings. I choose to try to reach people with facts, because I can relate to them on a cosmology level, when I then tell them Evolution is a lie, they listen to me.
To each his own. God Bless.
The Universe as mapped by Radar.....Real stuff here.
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And we are still in the Seventh Day. God doesn't NEED REST all that means is God Ceased creating. Stars are still forming, is God still creating ? No, He gave the Command, it it came forth. This is why the earth was VOID (meaning empty space) and without form, the command was given, but the Earth and Sun came into being at the 4.5 Billion year BC mark.
God is not bound by the constraints of time, as soon as he commands something, since He live in the future,(in all time) it is already done. It really amuses me that we still that people that actually believe in a Six Day creation. This coming from a Christian of over 30 years, who will flat out tell anyone that Evolution is a lie from the pits of hell. God Created everything in the Universe, HIMSELF, in a 13.7 Billion year period, but to Him, it was like a mili-second.
The only other way for God to create the Universe you guys see in Six Days is to change the Laws of Nature, I mean we get lights from Stars that took Millions of years to get here, we have oil that came from Dinos that were wiped out 70 Million years ago......And God supposedly, changed all the Natural laws to SPEED EVERYTHING UP !! But why ? God commands it, and He is living in he future, He is the beginning and the ending, so WHY would God have to change the laws of Nature just to speed things up ? He wouldn't, He gave the command, and lived in His creation instantaneously.
I already understand the "Alternative view" I held it myself 20-25 years ago. The Universe is still expanding. The Universe has been mapped out by Microwaves, we can see exactly how old the Universe is, by Microwave Radar. We can see a 400 Million period of DARK AGES and that fits the bible, "There was Darkness on the Face of the Deep"
We can reach people with truth, or we can just pretend that the KJV Bible and the Hebrew Language with its 4000 words vs. our modern English 500,000 words has no problems with translations or with one word having 50 meanings. I choose to try to reach people with facts, because I can relate to them on a cosmology level, when I then tell them Evolution is a lie, they listen to me.
To each his own. God Bless.
The Universe as mapped by Radar.....Real stuff here.
God is not bound by the constraints of time, as soon as he commands something, since He live in the future,(in all time) it is already done. It really amuses me that we still that people that actually believe in a Six Day creation. This coming from a Christian of over 30 years, who will flat out tell anyone that Evolution is a lie from the pits of hell. God Created everything in the Universe, HIMSELF, in a 13.7 Billion year period, but to Him, it was like a mili-second.
The only other way for God to create the Universe you guys see in Six Days is to change the Laws of Nature, I mean we get lights from Stars that took Millions of years to get here, we have oil that came from Dinos that were wiped out 70 Million years ago......And God supposedly, changed all the Natural laws to SPEED EVERYTHING UP !! But why ? God commands it, and He is living in he future, He is the beginning and the ending, so WHY would God have to change the laws of Nature just to speed things up ? He wouldn't, He gave the command, and lived in His creation instantaneously.
I already understand the "Alternative view" I held it myself 20-25 years ago. The Universe is still expanding. The Universe has been mapped out by Microwaves, we can see exactly how old the Universe is, by Microwave Radar. We can see a 400 Million period of DARK AGES and that fits the bible, "There was Darkness on the Face of the Deep"
We can reach people with truth, or we can just pretend that the KJV Bible and the Hebrew Language with its 4000 words vs. our modern English 500,000 words has no problems with translations or with one word having 50 meanings. I choose to try to reach people with facts, because I can relate to them on a cosmology level, when I then tell them Evolution is a lie, they listen to me.
To each his own. God Bless.
The Universe as mapped by Radar.....Real stuff here.
The above is based on science. God is not restricted to working within the realm of science. If he says that he created the sun, moon and stars on day four, which consisted of the evening and the morning, then I believe that. What you are suggesting is based on evolution. Remember, God can speak things into existence in a moment. There was no need for planets to develop. God does not have to work within the realm of science.