The 7 Thunders

dcontroversal · Dec 31, 2016

In Revelation when the 7 thunders utter their voices and John begins to write he is told not to write, but to keep it hidden...

Couple of things and an observation...

1. Anyone have any ideas on these thunders?
2. Generally speaking there are illusions in the O.T. to N.T. theologies and or prophecy....anyone see anything?

Something to ponder....John is the only man to know exactly what the thunders uttered.....I would love to know hahah!

88 · Dec 31, 2016

There message was sealed up---I don't know if it will be revealed...

Persuaded · Dec 31, 2016

dcontroversal said:

I'll just wait until they are revealed.
If God wanted me to know, He would not have stopped John.
There are more important things to study, understand, and teach.

dcontroversal · Dec 31, 2016

Persuaded said:

How do you jive that with EVERY WORD OF GOD IS INSPIRED and PROFITABLE.......

Yea...that view is false......!

Persuaded · Dec 31, 2016

dcontroversal said:

Did not mean to minimize any of God's Word.
But some things we will only understand/know when God decides to reveal them----7 thunders.
So, I will spend my time studying what this uneducated country preacher can understand and teach others.
If you learn what the 7 thunders are I'm sure you will let us know.

dcontroversal · Dec 31, 2016

Persuaded said:

That's better.....just intrigued by the 7 thunders and always wondered why God kept them secret in a book that reveals....maybe they are so specific in scope....??

Desertsrose · Dec 31, 2016

dcontroversal said:

Hi d, I've wondered the same thing...inquisitive minds and all that.

Here's what gotquestions.org have to say.

Question: "What do the seven thunders in Revelation 10:1-7 mean?"

Answer: The seven thunders appear in Revelation 10:1–7. In his apocalyptic vision, the apostle John saw a mighty angel striding the sea and the land with a scroll in his hand. The angel gave a shout like the roar of a lion, and then the voices of the seven thunders spoke. Just as John was about to write down what they said, a voice from heaven told him to “seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down” (Revelation 10:4).

The incident of the seven thunderous voices occurs in the interlude between the sixth and seventh trumpets. The seven thunders are not just the usual noise of thunder but are thunder-like voices communicating a message. The Greek word translated “thunder” means “to roar.” Thunder is often a mark of judgment in Scripture as in 1 Samuel 2:10, 2 Samuel 22:14, and several more places in Revelation (8:5, 11:19, 16:18), so these seven powerful voices are crying out for God’s judgment upon the sinful earth. The thunder represents the voice of God. Psalm 18:13 says, “The LORD thundered from heaven; the voice of the Most High resounded.”

Further evidence of the seven thunders being the voice of God is in Revelation 4:5: “From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.” Again the voice of God is depicted as thunderous rumblings that display the power, majesty and glory of our mighty Lord. In this verse, John saw a preview of the divine wrath to be poured out on the earth as described in full in Revelation chapters 16—19.

Just as John was about to write the words of the seven thunders, a voice from heaven commands him to seal up what was revealed by them. The same throne that issues forth lightning and peals of thunder issues a command to keep secret what the voices have revealed. The reason for the sealing is not given, but it could be that the judgment was simply too terrifying to be recorded. The content of the message is never revealed in Scripture, so we can’t speculate on it. The seven thunders are the only words in Revelation that are sealed.

Spurgeoncy · Dec 31, 2016

The 7th plague was thunder and hail

Spurgeoncy · Dec 31, 2016

Exodus 9 15 For by now I could have stretched out my hand and struck you and your people with pestilence, and you would have been cut off from the earth. 16 But this is why I have let you live: to show you my power, and to make my name resound through all the earth.

Romans 9:17
For the scripture says to Pharaoh, “I have raised you up for the very purpose of showing my power in you, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth.”

Magenta · Dec 31, 2016

Weren't a couple of Jesus' 12 called sons of thunder?

Mark 3:17 (ESV)

James the son of Zebedee and John the brother of James (to whom
he {Jesus} gave the name Boanerges, that is, Sons of Thunder);

Persuaded · Dec 31, 2016

dcontroversal said:

I wish I knew everything about God's Word, and I learn something new most days as I study, but I know that I will never understand everything in this lifetime.
But I will keep studying, learning, and teaching as long as God allows.

Spurgeoncy · Dec 31, 2016

Hmmm, isn't Pharoah an anti-Christ type?

InSpiritInTruth · Dec 31, 2016

I believe Paul spoke of John there when he said he knew a man who was caught up to paradise and heard unspeakable words, here...
2 Corinthians 12:4
How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

I believe the 7 thunders voices are from the 7 spirits of God,of course we do not know what they said because it is not written; but there are some interesting comparisons to make in Ezekiel.

Notice in Rev. 10:2 there is a little book in the hand of the mighty angel...

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,"

And then notice John is to take and eat of this little book and that he will prophesy again....

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

What is interesting about this is the same language is used in Ezekiel 2 and 3...

[SUP]8 [/SUP]But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein;

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.

Ezekiel 3

3 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them."

So though there is no mention of the 7 thunders words, many types and shadows are shown in Ezekiel with the 4 beasts, the throne, the book written etc. And also notice the book Ezekiel was given had written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe, which could be why it became bitter in Johns belly.

dcontroversal · Dec 31, 2016

Persuaded said:

I hear ya.....love the truth......always a gem to dig out hah

dcontroversal · Dec 31, 2016

Spurgeoncy said:

Seems there were quite a few figures throughout the bible that exhibit these characteristics....to be expected...they will do the works of their father (with a small f) the devil.......point made and I am sure u get it....meaning, that the children of the devil will exhibit his character and actions...

stonesoffire · Dec 31, 2016

A topical study on thunders might reveal something. I've found that the Hebrew will reveal somethings of the Greek.

JesusRules1 · Dec 31, 2016

dcontroversal said:

Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

2Co 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Paul said he knew a man that was caught up to paradise,which he is obviously talking about John.

Paul states the John heard unspeakable words,which it is not lawful for a man to utter,so there are some things John heard,that we cannot hear or say on earth,for it is not lawful for a man to utter those words.

I do not believe we can know for God would not reveal it to us if they are unspeakable words to humans,but John could hear them being in the spirit in paradise,but he could not reveal those words.

Like the Bible says that Jesus has a name that no man knows,so it would be impossible for humans to be able to figure out His name,or know it,and I believe it would be impossible for a human to be able to figure out the 7 thunders,or to know the words,for if it is unlawful for a person to utter those words,God would not reveal them,which is why the angel said,write them not.

People can try to figure,and know,but I do not believe they can,and I do not believe they can guess,for you have to already be spiritual in heaven to know.

Don't rattle your brains people,for if God does not want you to know,you will not know,and if John could not write it down,then it will not be found in any other part of the Bible,and if Paul said John heard things that are unlawful for a human on earth to utter,then we cannot speak it or even know about it.

I would not delve in to something that God said it is none of your business.

dcontroversal · Dec 31, 2016

JesusRules1 said:

Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

2Co 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Paul said he knew a man that was caught up to paradise,which he is obviously talking about John.

Paul states the John heard unspeakable words,which it is not lawful for a man to utter,so there are some things John heard,that we cannot hear or say on earth,for it is not lawful for a man to utter those words.

I do not believe we can know for God would not reveal it to us if they are unspeakable words to humans,but John could hear them being in the spirit in paradise,but he could not reveal those words.

Like the Bible says that Jesus has a name that no man knows,so it would be impossible for humans to be able to figure out His name,or know it,and I believe it would be impossible for a human to be able to figure out the 7 thunders,or to know the words,for if it is unlawful for a person to utter those words,God would not reveal them,which is why the angel said,write them not.

People can try to figure,and know,but I do not believe they can,and I do not believe they can guess,for you have to already be spiritual in heaven to know.

Don't rattle your brains people,for if God does not want you to know,you will not know,and if John could not write it down,then it will not be found in any other part of the Bible,and if Paul said John heard things that are unlawful for a human on earth to utter,then we cannot speak it or even know about it.

I would not delve in to something that God said it is none of your business.

Paul wrote the Corinthian letters and was dead well before John wrote Revelation....Paul was referencing himself and the fact that he was taught by direct revelation from God......!

Ahwatukee · Dec 31, 2016

Hello ISIT,

If you read the entire context, it becomes obvious that Paul is speaking of himself as the one who was caught up to the third heaven. Because of this, was given a messenger of Satan to torment him because of the great revelations and visions that he received while in heaven in order to keep him from becoming proud/conceited because of them. Below is the NLT version:

"This boasting will do no good, but I must go on. I will reluctantly tell about visions and revelations from the Lord. I was caught up to the third heaven fourteen years ago. Whether I was in my body or out of my body, I don’t know—only God knows. Yes, only God knows whether I was in my body or outside my body. But I do know that I was caught up to paradise and heard things so astounding that they cannot be expressed in words, things no human is allowed to tell.
That experience is worth boasting about, but I’m not going to do it. I will boast only about my weaknesses. If I wanted to boast, I would be no fool in doing so, because I would be telling the truth. But I won’t do it, because I don’t want anyone to give me credit beyond what they can see in my life or hear in my
message, even though I have received such wonderful revelations from God. So to keep me from
becoming proud, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger from Satan to torment me and keep me from
becoming proud.

JesusRules1 · Dec 31, 2016

dcontroversal said:

It would not matter for the angel told John not to write the words down,so God does not want us to know,and if it is Paul that was caught up to paradise,and heard words that is not lawful for a person to speak,then the angel that told John not to write it down would also be unlawful for a person to speak.

2Co 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
2Co 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.

But Paul sure has a funny way of referencing himself by saying he knew a person above 14 years ago,and he was caught up to paradise,and he will glory in that person,but not glory in himself.

Paul is obviously talking about someone else,and not himself.

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