Wine???

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tanakh

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What is Ribena? I have been to churches where they give you options. Are you a recovering alcoholic? Try our grape juice. Wine does not pose a problem for you? Have some wine with your bread or cracker. It is all symbolic anyways. We do it in remembrance of He Who gave His life that we might have a life more abundant. By the grace of God I am a recovered alcoholic, but I would not have a problem ingesting a small amount of wine at a church communion service, nor would I need to consider it any kind of a relapse to imbibe such a small amount under such circumstances... but I do understand and sympathize with those for whom it may pose a problem. :)
Ribena is a Fruit Drink we have here. It comes in a few flavours but the most popular and that used in some congregations is Blackcurrent which is Red like wine.
 
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BeyondET

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Wine is fine but whiskey's quicker... :rolleyes:
 

John146

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Numbers 6:3, He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.

What is wine?

What is strong drink?
 
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I know what New Yorkers favorite "wine" is this time of year.

"When are we going to Miami?"
 

DiscipleDave

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I recently had a Christian tell me that Jesus didn't drink wine. That He drank grape juice. So I guess did Jesus turn water into wine or grape juice?
Wine that could cause one to become Drunk, was in existence a thousand years prior to the time of Jesus Christ.

Typical Christians which believe the false doctrine that Christians should not drink any alcohol at all, are the same ones who changed the Scriptures to fit their own belief, they teach it is not wine but grape juice, that way it does not contradict what they believe to be the TRUTH. If they would believe the Scriptures and what it plainly says, that it was wine, they would have to discard the belief that they hold on to. But because this generation loves their false doctrines, they will just change Scriptures to fit into their own beliefs. Therefore the wine is not wine, but grape juice, and there is no telling them otherwise. i have seen these even tell me they took the word wine to the Hebrew and Greek to prove that it was grape juice. This same practice is done with hundreds of false doctrines that the typical Christians of today hold on to. and refuse to discard.

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Tinuviel

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Do some simple research into what months grapes were picked for wine, and compare those months with other times the Bible tells of wine being consumed.

Since they had no refrigeration in those days, it stands to reason that their wine would ferment into alcohol rather quickly..... staying just grape juice for only a few weeks, or so. This whole nonsense is completely debunked by the many, many times the Bible refers to people getting drunk off the stuff.
Actually, grape juice ferments in a matter of days in Palestine.
 
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Some of the best concoctions in existence are in Colorado.

The beer is fantastic. And peach moonshine from Western CO is to die for.

Have no more than a shot glass of it or you will surely get wasted.
The Virginia moonshine I had when I was a kid was to die for -- almost literally. 190 proof. Rubbing alcohol smelled better. Probably taste better. (Then again, I never developed the taste for alcohol, so I'm no good in deciding what is tasty.)
 

John146

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Numbers 6:3, He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.

What is wine?

What is strong drink?
Anyone want to explain? Both wine and strong drink come from the vine. What's the difference? What is the juice that comes from the wine called because it would be forbidden as part of the vow too?
 
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Anyone want to explain? Both wine and strong drink come from the vine. What's the difference? What is the juice that comes from the wine called because it would be forbidden as part of the vow too?
The guy I know that makes wine uses the dregs to make Brandy.......
 

Word_Swordsman

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Anyone want to explain? Both wine and strong drink come from the vine. What's the difference? What is the juice that comes from the wine called because it would be forbidden as part of the vow too?
I've spent too many hours researching this topic, but it's been interesting. The Levant nations made low alcohol grape wine by not adding sugars due to rarity of natural sugars. Cane sugar was available in east Asia. A ready source of sugar came from date palm fruit, but that drink (8-12% alcohol by weight), would be an ale (beer), an intoxicating drink not from a vine. Wheat and barley were readily accessible for making strong drink too, like used in modern times.

The difficulty of getting grape wine to a high alcohol content was simply too expensive, typically reserved for the wealthy. Once cane sugar began reaching the Levant (area between Turkey and Egypt, Med Sea and Mesopotamia), the cost and difficulty reduced some to include the "middle class" of people in the Middle Ages.

A beer fit for kings 2000 years ago was made with honey, having up to 5% alcohol. I would think a person should tend to get quite sick to stomach when trying to get drunk on it.

I see lots of verses listed yesterday that prohibit consumption of any of the above, but in context the classes of people that drink applied to were Temple priests and those bound by the Nazarite vow, like Samson and John the Baptist from birth, and those who chose that vow. The general public consumption in moderation was not prohibited by the Law, nor is it condemned in the New Testament as an agent of wickedness.

When red wine is still being created by fermentation, it is sometimes said to "crawl", due to gas bubbles. It's ill advised to consume it at that stage, as noted by king Solomon. Once the sugar content is converted to alcohol, it becomes ready for use. When sugar is added a little at a time, keeping the fermentation in action, alcohol content rises.