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    Quote Originally Posted by Persuaded View Post
    He will not listen to you. It is against his nature.
    When you say it is against his nature, do you mean to say he has not met God or received the Holy Spirit?
    I agree he is angry and out of control at this moment, but I don't think it is going to help to make statements like this.

    I have acted very badly at times, lost control, but I still had met God and received the Spirit. If it weren't for the love and forgiveness of my brothers, I might still be in that state. They helped to humble and calm me by their influence.

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    Why can young Christians never learn about Scripture online without wading into a bloodsport over doctrine? Why is our community Bible study so often "not for the faint of heart" if Bible study is our strongest bond?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    True grace doesn't permit us to stay the same; after you know that you are not condemned - it empowers you to change.

    HOW do we change? I thought Jesus did that already, so we don't have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    I fully understand. When we "see" what the gospel of the grace of God in Christ has really done - there is no way we can go back to a religion. We can never go back to the self-reliance on what we do or don't do. It's all based on Him and in the hearing of Him - brings true life and peace and joy.

    The accurate preaching and teaching of Christ Himself combined with the "hearing" of the gospel brings faith and grace to walk in what He has already done for us.

    He supplies the nutrients for the growth that comes with the renewing of our minds to the truths of what Christ has already done.

    yup he provides nutrients but we also get nut jobs who want more than they give.. the grace you recieve is no diffrent to anyone else.... the sky is not and never has been blue.... thats an easy believist legalistic view
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    Quote Originally Posted by RamahDesjardin View Post
    Why can young Christians never learn about Scripture online without wading into a bloodsport over doctrine? Why is our community Bible study so often "not for the faint of heart" if Bible study is our strongest bond?
    Bible study happens in other forums and even in live chat and via pm.

    It doesn't happen often in the BDF because we have many "teachers" of opposing doctrine that would rather debate than mentor.

    Plus online there is no appointed leader for the forum threads.

    At one time there was a weekly bible study online lead by one of the moderators but haven't seen that in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RamahDesjardin View Post
    Why can young Christians never learn about Scripture online without wading into a bloodsport over doctrine? Why is our community Bible study so often "not for the faint of heart" if Bible study is our strongest bond?
    Because of not having gotten our flesh under our control yet.
    I think we forget to ask for what we lack and have need of sometimes...
    Other times, we need to take a tumble for God to show us we are not being humble.

    I don't think bible study is our strongest bond. I think learning to walk in the Spirit in love is our strongest bond.
    It's very nice to meet you by the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    When you say it is against his nature, do you mean to say he has not met God or received the Holy Spirit?
    I agree he is angry and out of control at this moment, but I don't think it is going to help to make statements like this.

    I have acted very badly at times, lost control, but I still had met God and received the Spirit. If it weren't for the love and forgiveness of my brothers, I might still be in that state. They helped to humble and calm me by their influence.
    Not judging his salvation at all, but he often allows his flesh to rule.
    We all do from time to time, he just will not admit to that failure.

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    I really wasn't trying to be snarky... I was trying to bring levity... Bad idea I guess... I'll back away now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel82 View Post
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    by the renewing of the mind is changing to the ways of God, and not your own ways. If you can't see things his way, then you are still in darkness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    When you say it is against his nature, do you mean to say he has not met God or received the Holy Spirit?
    I agree he is angry and out of control at this moment, but I don't think it is going to help to make statements like this.

    I have acted very badly at times, lost control, but I still had met God and received the Spirit. If it weren't for the love and forgiveness of my brothers, I might still be in that state. They helped to humble and calm me by their influence.
    Many Christians are blinded to their own failures and weakness.
    They see the faults of others but never their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamahDesjardin View Post
    I really wasn't trying to be snarky... I was trying to bring levity... Bad idea I guess... I'll back away now.
    Nah no worries.,your post might be prophetic.I am sure a Calvinist debate is in the works, just wait a bit.
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    16In the same way, let your light shine before others, so thatb they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel82 View Post
    It's striving to live godly lives and sanctification...not the same as striving to be born again or adopted into God's family...we strive to tame our tongues because God's holy spirit is within us.
    so you dont see recieving a new body in heaven as completion either then ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Persuaded View Post
    Not judging his salvation at all, but he often allows his flesh to rule.
    We all do from time to time, he just will not admit to that failure.
    He'll get there. Our command is to love and forgive him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    He'll get there. Our command is to love and forgive him.
    I do pray for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Persuaded View Post
    Many Christians are blinded to their own failures and weakness.
    They see the faults of others but never their own.
    Help me by speaking openly about what fault or weakness you see in me.It might help me to see something I need to pray for. I'm feeling chastened and ready to hear because of my arrogant remark last night to meggido for which I had to apologize.
    I'm all ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    I fully understand. When we "see" what the gospel of the grace of God in Christ has really done - there is no way we can go back to a religion. We can never go back to the self-reliance on what we do or don't do.

    you speak for we does that make you know that others will do the same as you ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JIMBO43 View Post
    so you dont see recieving a new body in heaven as completion either then ?
    Completion of God's promises., yes..salvation no.

    I believe salvation is restored relationship with God by being born again and walking with His holy spirit. We do that now and will continue to do that for eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    Help me by speaking openly about what fault or weakness you see in me.It might help me to see something I need to pray for. I'm feeling chastened and ready to hear because of my arrogant remark last night to meggido for which I had to apologize.
    I'm all ears.
    calling people bullies who have been bullied is something you need to repent of in my book..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel82 View Post
    Completion of God's promises., yes..salvation no.

    I believe salvation is restored relationship with God by being born again and walking with His holy spirit. We do that now and will continue to do that for eternity.
    yup and here lies the problems of lazy workers who havent grown..
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