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    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    It will be dark and stormy tonight with scattered light towards morning. Now back to the news.
    now i did tell you i was going to wade in the water
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    Quote Originally Posted by JIMBO43 View Post
    do you really perhaps you can honest an honest question then ,,,, i doubt it..
    Ask it, and we'll see how "honest" it is. (Let's put this in perspective in case we lose this: I'm being called out because I know I am justified by the work of Christ, not by my work)

    Carry on with your question. And try real hard to leave off the name-calling. Should be easy for one who is earning his salvation, and really, should I even have to make such a request?

    Anyhow, carry on...
    People are offended that God is God.

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    I threw out the writings of Moses because he killed that Egyptian guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    okie dokie...... I understand that.

    You are free to have your own opinions just like the rest of the body of Christ. I like the armor one for how we stand in Christ. It's a good one. It all speaks of "Him".

    I believe we have a perfect spirit but we need to have our minds renewed to the truth of Christ being in us and joined as one spirit with Him. We are spiritual babies in our thinking.

    Personally I like the analogy of the invisible man and when we put on Christ - others can see the love and grace of God for them. The invisible man was there in reality but just couldn't be seen by the natural eyes of the people.

    Perhaps you have never seen the movie called "The Invisible Man"?

    That might make a difference too in understanding the analogy......

    But we are free in Christ to have other analogies. I'm sure there are tons of them that we can use as the Spirit reveals the things of Christ to us.

    Another analogy I like is the plant turns it's face to "behold" the sun and in the sun the nutrients are given for the plant to produce chlorophyll which then produces glucose for the plant to grow to be what is already in it's original design to be.

    The same thing happens to us in Christ as we "behold" the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror. He supplies the nutrients for us to walk out what already is within us in our new creation which is joined as one spirit with Him.
    Hi Grace...Sometimes we have to use a simple but very effective example...If i was speaking to my 11 yrs old grand daughter who is showing such an interest in the Lord \o/ Praise God, i would give her an easy example to her if she was to say to me "Nanny you are changing "...I would give her an example and explain to her how Christ is changing me and explain that it is like i have taken off my old coat because i have a brand new one that i am growing in to, because young children do not understand the deep knowledge of being born again, that we are born again through Christ, so a little example is more likely to touch her rather then confusing her, the coat still points to Christ, and the child still gets fed...I believe Jesus understands this coming from this Grandma ...xox...
    PSALM 107:20 He sends His word and heals me and rescues me from the pit and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthTalk View Post
    "When he saw the crowds, he had compassion on them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd." Matthew9:36

    Excuse me Grace777, for jumping in to your conversation but I like how you present these insights into scripture. It has been my long time goal to conform to the likeness of God's Son, a worthy pursuit. Also I have come to see this Christian experience on earth as preparation for Heaven and what God would have us to do. I think your above statements are true and biblically correct.
    One of my favorite quotes although I can't remember the mans name is:
    He has put us on this earth for a short space of time so that we can learn to bear the beams of love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Ask it, and we'll see how "honest" it is. (Let's put this in perspective in case we lose this: I'm being called out because I know I am justified by the work of Christ, not by my work)

    Carry on with your question. And try real hard to leave off the name-calling. Should be easy for one who is earning his salvation, and really, should I even have to make such a request?

    Anyhow, carry on...
    ha you started the name calling with me ,,, everyone has read what you wrote pal..

    lets see your honest answer here ,,,

    seariously now how am i a heritic for declaring we will recieve a new body in heaven ?
    may the lord inspire you to post something that has come through communion..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    in Titus 2:11-12, the "grace of God" also teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously and godly in the present age.
    How does the "grace of God" do that, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosemaryx View Post
    Hi Grace...Sometimes we have to use a simple but very effective example...If i was speaking to my 11 yrs old grand daughter who is showing such an interest in the Lord \o/ Praise God, i would give her an easy example to her if she was to say to me "Nanny you are changing "...I would give her an example and explain to her how Christ is changing me and explain that it is like i have taken off my old coat because i have a brand new one that i am growing in to, because young children do not understand the deep knowledge of being born again, that we are born again through Christ, so a little example is more likely to touch her rather then confusing her, the coat still points to Christ, and the child still gets fed...I believe Jesus understands this coming from this Grandma ...xox...

    Amen....there are many ways and analogies that the Holy Spirit can use to reveal Christ to all of us.

    As to Grandma ....

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    The new man in Christ - the new creation that is created in righteousness and

    holiness hears the heart voice of the Spirit and not an old head noise of the letter

    of the word. The Pharisees knew "bible knowledge" but they did not

    know God's heart and so they erred in really understanding what the

    scriptures were saying.


    The Lord wants us to look through His eyes and to live from His heart towards

    people, towards Him and towards ourselves as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen63 View Post
    How does the "grace of God" do that, exactly?
    I can try to tackle that question. Give me a minute though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post

    Thus they attack the "acceptance" part of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ and call it "easy believe-ism" and other derogatory terms.

    You make that easy to do, because you refuse to explain how christian growth takes place in your theology.

    There will always be this huge "hole" in HG because no one can explain how people "grow unto maturity" in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJens View Post
    This is where I see a split from the teaching Paul provides in romans.
    Wow...just wow!!

    You split from the clear teaching of the inspired word of God?
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    How us Christians are transformed by the grace of Christ and grow in the grace and knowledge of Him has already answered it in 3 posts below in the blue links.


    Not By Works


    Not By Works

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    This question has been answered many times in the past. Sometimes people just don't accept it and that is fine. They are entitled to their own opinions. The Holy Spirit will reveal Christ to all of us...We can trust Him to be faithful......
    The new man in Christ - the new creation that is created in righteousness and

    holiness hears the heart voice of the Spirit and not an old head noise of the letter

    of the word. The Pharisees knew "bible knowledge" but they did not

    know God's heart and so they erred in really understanding what the

    scriptures were saying.


    The Lord wants us to look through His eyes and to live from His heart towards

    people, towards Him and towards ourselves as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIMBO43 View Post
    ha you started the name calling with me ,,, everyone has read what you wrote pal..

    lets see your honest answer here ,,,

    seariously now how am i a heritic for declaring we will recieve a new body in heaven ?
    How are you a heretic? There's not that much bandwidth, but your teachings are heresy.

    In this instance? When I proclaimed being not condemned due to the work of Christ, you called that "nonsense." That's the tip of the iceberg concerning your heresy.
    People are offended that God is God.

    Oh, my brethren! bold-hearted men are always called mean-spirited by cowards. - Charles Spurgeon

    I threw out the writings of Moses because he killed that Egyptian guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    It begins active and grows more passive as we begin to realize it is not us living and doing but is HIM living and doing in us. In our more active phase (which is normal, it is not abnormal), we are doing well, we are hungering to be good and righteous and serve others.

    When we go into a more passive state, it is when we realize that: the life I now live I live by the Son of God IN me. We become less and less busy about our growth and rely more and more on Him in us.

    Passive doesn't mean lazy. Passive means accepting, calm, waiting on God.

    Mary and Martha just make you love them. Don't you feel you will be able to immediately recognize them in heaven?
    Martha was busy and active to serve others. This was not abnormal. Jesus didn't chide or yell at her. But when she wanted Him to make Mary get up and work to help her, feeling she was being lazy, Jesus said Mary had chosen the better thing. She was passively sitting and listening to Him.

    Maybe you won't accept what I'm saying. Maybe you will later understand it. But if a man is in an active stage, he does well. If a man is in a passive stage, he does well too. Neither should chide the other. They are both in different stages or states.
    Hi STG...I agree...I am in a passive mode at the moment...I have a few battles going on around me that i can not do anything about but to sit and wait upon our Lord...In my quiet time with God, i thank Him for this peacefulness that He has given me to rest in, i believe God gives us these times to prepare for battle that is coming in due time...My sons example that i posted about today, he has just started walking with our Lord, i know he is going to be faced with much temptation, he is going to fall time and time again through his own battle, but God is given me His grace to sit back for a while, rest in Him, then when the time comes, i will stand up with my full armor suit on and go to battle against the evil one who is going to try and rip my son apart, my son will need my strength through God for this war, but for now i sit and wait...But i use the word passive only towards God, because i am sitting and waiting for Him only while the next move is made...xox...
    PSALM 107:20 He sends His word and heals me and rescues me from the pit and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    I fully understand. When we "see" what the gospel of the grace of God in Christ has really done - there is no way we can go back to a religion. We can never go back to the self-reliance on what we do or don't do. It's all based on Him and in the hearing of Him - brings true life and peace and joy.

    The accurate preaching and teaching of Christ Himself combined with the "hearing" of the gospel brings faith and grace to walk in what He has already done for us.

    He supplies the nutrients for the growth that comes with the renewing of our minds to the truths of what Christ has already done.

    Hi Grace...This is how i see it...If my mind is not renewed daily, i remain in the same state always, not growing, it`s impossible in my eyes that one can grow without the mind being renewed but surely we all know that...That`s where we have to put in our effort, we can not have our mind renewed unless we read our Bible, our minds can grow stale, go back to old thinking, that is a part of our journey i believe needs to be fed every day, even if it is a crumb that falls from the table...xox...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosemaryx View Post
    Hi STG...I agree...I am in a passive mode at the moment...I have a few battles going on around me that i can not do anything about but to sit and wait upon our Lord...In my quiet time with God, i thank Him for this peacefulness that He has given me to rest in, i believe God gives us these times to prepare for battle that is coming in due time...My sons example that i posted about today, he has just started walking with our Lord, i know he is going to be faced with much temptation, he is going to fall time and time again through his own battle, but God is given me His grace to sit back for a while, rest in Him, then when the time comes, i will stand up with my full armor suit on and go to battle against the evil one who is going to try and rip my son apart, my son will need my strength through God for this war, but for now i sit and wait...But i use the word passive only towards God, because i am sitting and waiting for Him only while the next move is made...xox...
    Amen...resting in Christ's faithfulness to His promises in every situation in life is your faith in action.

    - resting in Christ's faithfulness to His promises is your obedience in action.


    - resting in Christ's faithfulness to His promises is your spiritual warfare in action.

    ( You are standing in His armor - having done all to stand - stand therefore.....)
    The new man in Christ - the new creation that is created in righteousness and

    holiness hears the heart voice of the Spirit and not an old head noise of the letter

    of the word. The Pharisees knew "bible knowledge" but they did not

    know God's heart and so they erred in really understanding what the

    scriptures were saying.


    The Lord wants us to look through His eyes and to live from His heart towards

    people, towards Him and towards ourselves as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel82 View Post
    Hmmmm....that was interesting.

    I wonder if the Holy spirit gets placed on ignore when He convicts certain people of their sins?

    Guess i will leave that in God's hands then.
    Hi Ariel...Maybe just a little tenderness in your post may some how help with the statement you are making...Sometimes i read your post and they can come across like you have no feeling, just posting what you know...I do not say this to hurt, and please forgive me if i am wrong, but tenderness goes a long way, especially when we need the Word to be heard...xox...
    PSALM 107:20 He sends His word and heals me and rescues me from the pit and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Persuaded View Post
    Many Christians are blinded to their own failures and weakness.
    They see the faults of others but never their own.
    Hi Persuaded...We are all guilty of that, if only we could all admit it when necessary ...xox...
    PSALM 107:20 He sends His word and heals me and rescues me from the pit and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosemaryx View Post
    Hi Grace...This is how i see it...If my mind is not renewed daily, i remain in the same state always, not growing, it`s impossible in my eyes that one can grow without the mind being renewed but surely we all know that...That`s where we have to put in our effort, we can not have our mind renewed unless we read our Bible, our minds can grow stale, go back to old thinking, that is a part of our journey i believe needs to be fed every day, even if it is a crumb that falls from the table...xox...
    Amen...There are many ways of renewing our mind and certainly reading the scriptures is a major way. The scriptures point us to Christ. It is a light unto our path and way - the path and way is Christ Himself.

    Keep our minds on things above where Christ is.

    Colossians 3:1-4 (NASB)
    1 Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

    2 Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.

    3 For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

    4 When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.


    Jesus often used the things in nature to reveal the truths of the kingdom - behold the birds and lilies of the field. Paul said that all of creation speaks of Christ. We can see in creation the invisible things of Christ and God is manifested to us by these.

    Romans 1:20 (KJV)
    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
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    The new man in Christ - the new creation that is created in righteousness and

    holiness hears the heart voice of the Spirit and not an old head noise of the letter

    of the word. The Pharisees knew "bible knowledge" but they did not

    know God's heart and so they erred in really understanding what the

    scriptures were saying.


    The Lord wants us to look through His eyes and to live from His heart towards

    people, towards Him and towards ourselves as well.

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    Yes, I agree. I do, I think, admit (confess?) when I'm wrong; not always, of course. When someone points out something I've done wrong, I'd like to think I take it to heart, & to the Lord in prayer.

    What gets me is, in my experience, those very ones who do the pointing are the very ones who are quick to say, "I didn't do anything wrong". Some of whom have even professed Jesus Christ as their Lord & Savior. That is something I don't think I'll ever understand.

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    Hi all...This is how we grow...

    Galatians 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law......
    PSALM 107:20 He sends His word and heals me and rescues me from the pit and destruction.

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