Not By Works

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the crowns, the ruling with Him is the reward of living our life before the world, and ministering reconciliation to the lost.

I think it was Meggido who was speaking about this. We are on a mission to pull others out of the darkness into the light.

Many stars given in a crown to the one who speaks salvation.

My husband has this gifting. His crown will have many stars. We all are given gifts. The rewards are for working the gifts of Holy Spirit.

But, eternal life is always from the work of Jesus. Only He could save us from the kingdom of darkness, for He is God, and we are not.
Stone,
This is a subject which really does not interest me.
If there are crowns or stones, so be it. I'm good with that, like I had said.

I understand my reward, or gift, to be eternity with God and the ability to spend time with Jesus. Just the thought brings me peace.

I don't think we can speak so solidly about the afterlife. Paul said he saw things that could not be described or spoken about or understood. That's how he explained it. John gave bits and pcs of it,,, how could we know for sure??
I ike to stand and discuss only things that are on solid ground.

I DO want to disagree about one thing you've said:

You say that our mission is to save those that are in darkness.
OK. I agree. I've been witnessing for 40 years and could not agree more.
Our very love for Jesus makes us WANT to witness for His Kingdom.

However, His MAIN THEME in all His preaching, was not about salvation, but about how to enter into the Kingdom of God and how to remain there or suffer the consequences at our time of Death.

Now, I know you're not going to really go through the gosples and do what I asked you, although it would really be a great concept to learn.

IF you would believe me, I'd tell you the answer.
I'm just a little tired of throwing out answers and then being attacked for speaking the truth.

But, yes, our main mission, is to be members of the Kingdom..

and
Get Others to be members.
Salvation is phase one.
The Kingdom is phase two.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So True Faith brings works? Indeed.


Saved by Grace through Faith.

saved unto good works...

so Eternal life is our reward?
no, eternal life is a gift, you can not earn salvation, you could never work enough to pay of the debt for one sin, let alone all your sins you have committed your whole life.

 
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UnderGrace

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I rather think that presently those that adhere to the true gospel of......


[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [SUP]9 [/SUP]not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Ephesians 2:8

........are the minority.

It is harder to lay your down your pride and self -effort.....self is a mighty foe, but some do manage to come to the cross knowing that there is nothing they can do to save themselves and accept His complete work, His propitiation for our sins knowing we can never meet His holy standard.

God does not save those who are trying to save themselves

So many go against scripture as the norm here .. making up something to scratch itchy ears..
 

notmyown

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anyone who thinks they're adding their own merit to the already perfect Work of Christ is sadly mistaken.
if we do this, we're starting a work Christ already finished, and we're not qualified to even begin.

it's spoken of in Romans 10. i urge you to read it, and to submit to the Righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

the Lord Jesus did NOT come 99.9% of the way and tell us to jump. HE finished the work.
 

notmyown

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I rather think that presently those that adhere to the true gospel of......


[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [SUP]9 [/SUP]not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Ephesians 2:8

........are the minority.

It is harder to lay your down your pride and self -effort.....self is a mighty foe, but some do manage to come to the cross knowing that there is nothing they can do to save themselves and accept His complete work, His propitiation for our sins knowing we can never meet His holy standard.

God does not save those who are trying to save themselves

well, i mean... thank God He does! there's usually an attitude adjustment, though. lol
 
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Salvation from Suffering is the gift. We will all live forever somewhere
This has piqued my curiosity. :) (The last sentence).
If He IS eternal life, and someone doesn't have Him in them by the new birth, will they live forever somewhere?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What was the Masters answer to them that asked?
It is the work of God you believe in the one he sent, look for th food which endured to eternal life, which I can eat and not die,

Ask yourself this, if jesus came to you,and you u asked him what work you must deal, what work would he tell you to do that he knows you would not do? He did that a lot too, to get people to think.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You wrote it it is a reward not a gift....
i never wrote it was a reward, that's what your doing.

The gift of eternal life. Through Jesus, not through our works.
 
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I rather think that presently those that adhere to the true gospel of......


[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [SUP]9 [/SUP]not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Ephesians 2:8

........are the minority.

It is harder to lay your down your pride and self -effort.....self is a mighty foe, but some do manage to come to the cross knowing that there is nothing they can do to save themselves and accept His complete work, His propitiation for our sins knowing we can never meet His holy standard.

God does not save those who are trying to save themselves
Sorry UG

But as I've been told here on this thread:

........."MAJORITY RULE DOES NOT MAKE CORRECT DOCTRINE"............

It would seem that the majority here are incorrect in their doctrine...
 

stonesoffire

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Stone,
This is a subject which really does not interest me.
If there are crowns or stones, so be it. I'm good with that, like I had said.

I understand my reward, or gift, to be eternity with God and the ability to spend time with Jesus. Just the thought brings me peace.

I don't think we can speak so solidly about the afterlife. Paul said he saw things that could not be described or spoken about or understood. That's how he explained it. John gave bits and pcs of it,,, how could we know for sure??
I ike to stand and discuss only things that are on solid ground.

I DO want to disagree about one thing you've said:

You say that our mission is to save those that are in darkness.
OK. I agree. I've been witnessing for 40 years and could not agree more.
Our very love for Jesus makes us WANT to witness for His Kingdom.

However, His MAIN THEME in all His preaching, was not about salvation, but about how to enter into the Kingdom of God and how to remain there or suffer the consequences at our time of Death.

Now, I know you're not going to really go through the gosples and do what I asked you, although it would really be a great concept to learn.

IF you would believe me, I'd tell you the answer.
I'm just a little tired of throwing out answers and then being attacked for speaking the truth.

But, yes, our main mission, is to be members of the Kingdom..

and
Get Others to be members.
Salvation is phase one.
The Kingdom is phase two.
The deeds we do are out of being led by Holy Spirit Fran.

No phases, just life in the Spirit of God. As a sprititual being, no longer of human nature, though it is a progressive thing in understanding.

I truly wish I had known these things in my younger years because I listen and watch these young ministers moving in the power of Holy Spirit.

But, I can share these things in the hopes that others catch the fire.

so to reiterate...the thread is about not by works.

To do the works that we are commissioned to do is by Holy Spirit, as He leads us. That is kingdom living. And our character is being formed in the image of God, yet still His work. The promises are now yes and amen, and we can stand on the. The power of life is always in the Holy Ghost...and now I feel like singing it. Lol

Even our godliness is given. Amazing grace!
 
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I'm not an annihilationist, so yes.. We are 3 in one. We don't cease to exist without a casing or body.
This has piqued my curiosity. :) (The last sentence).
If He IS eternal life, and someone doesn't have Him in them by the new birth, will they live forever somewhere?
 

notmyown

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i never wrote it was a reward, that's what your doing.

The gift of eternal life. Through Jesus, not through our works.
why is it so hard to comprehend the believers obey God from love and a new nature; not to earn something??

gah! lol
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The problem is, doing good works for the express purpose of keeping or gaining salvation, and making sure that those good works get you (general you) into heaven.


We do good works to show God's love to others. We also do them because it is commanded.

But NOT for the purpose of keeping salvation, or getting into heaven.
gods people do good works, if we are not gods, we can do good deeds, but God rejects them as human good.

We work because we are saved, not to maintain salvation,

 

blue_ladybug

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They aren't REAL worms. That's just a metaphor. Read this.. Taken from rcg.org.

[h=1]What is the meaning of “worms that die not,” in Mark 9:44-48?[/h]These verses may seem to indicate that Jesus was calling sinners “worms” and that they do not die but rather live in an everlasting fiery torment. Indeed, some believe this. Others believe that it refers to some kind of “immortal worms.” One of the key things they fail to recognize however is that Jesus said, “their worms.”
He was actually referring to the primary method of garbage disposal of that time. The word “worm” may be better translated from the original Greek word skolex as “grub” or “maggot.” In verse 47, He refers to “hell,” which the margins in some Bibles indicate should be better translated as “Gehenna.” This was also called the Valley of Hinnom and was an area located outside the city of Jerusalem, where trash, animal carcasses, and even carcasses of criminals were incinerated by fire. Of course, maggots devoured anything not destroyed by the heat.
The point was that for anything thrown into that valley, complete destruction was inevitable. Similarly, there can be no escaping the result of unrepentant sin—death in the “lake of fire” (Rev. 20:14-15). A similar scenario is discussed in Isaiah 66:24, and again the meaning is not that the unrepentant sinner or “worms” live forever. The maggots live only as long as there is “food.” The fire burns only as long as there is fuel. Again, the point is that sin not repented of has dire consequences—complete and permanent death!





The worms that don't die eat what?
 
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Yes...I agree 100%

The Pharisees and priest of that day led very moral outward living lives and were strict in their "law-keeping" but Jesus exposed their self-righteousness for what it really was.

All works-based believing is all based on the same concept as the Jews who thought that "If they do the Law - they will be saved." The doing of the Law as Jesus pointed out many times is unattainable by the will-power and self-effort of man.

( which is why the Lord put in the animal sacrifices - which all speak of Christ's work. )

Romans 10:2-4 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

The Law being "what one does or doesn't do for righteousness."

Christ Himself has become our righteousness. Get this backwards and we create a religion of self-works.

The true gospel is the "righteousness of God revealed". Rom. 1:16-17 - of that we are not ashamed.
WHO are the pharisees here Grace?

Come on.
Let's have a list.

Is it those who like to follow our LORD Jesus?

So, you're saying that THOSE WHO FOLLOW JESUS are FAKE, only pretending by LOOKING HOLY on the outside,
but being DIRT on the inside.

Is THIS what you're saying???