If Christ has you, nothing can snatch you from His hand 
I trust His promises.
I trust His promises.
I love the mention of "created things".... this would include us! Not even we are able to.
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Romans 8:38-39: "For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord"
I love the mention of "created things".... this would include us! Not even we are able to.
I love the mention of "created things".... this would include us! Not even we are able to.
sekkluud mon i wanna apologize for pushing works salvation.. i misoverstood some passages u see. what a blunder that was. we can never earn God's grace i tried to work for it, then i failed and my faith crashed u see. try to just trust on Jesus alone its diffucult because we got di religious mind n tings.
As I have said a few times in the past- we all need to guard our hearts. When someone has a different view on a subject than we do - we can become bitter towards them - especially if we have had a bad experience with someone that has those views in the past.
That doesn't necessarily make their views wrong. It just makes us open to become bitter towards other people.
Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
Then we think it is our "Christian duty and to defend the faith" to follow them around in threads and personally attack them and not just keep our conversation to the subject at hand in a respectful way.
In reality - "bitterness" has taken over and if we give in to it - it will defile many as we have seen happen.
Guard your hearts brethren.
That doesn't necessarily make their views wrong. It just makes us open to become bitter towards other people.
Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
Then we think it is our "Christian duty and to defend the faith" to follow them around in threads and personally attack them and not just keep our conversation to the subject at hand in a respectful way.
In reality - "bitterness" has taken over and if we give in to it - it will defile many as we have seen happen.
Guard your hearts brethren.
All is well brother!.......
We are all learning how to live by the life of Another in us and have our minds renewed the what He has already done and He will be faithful to all of us.
Galatians 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Colossians 3:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
...We are all learning how to live by the life of Another in us and have our minds renewed the what He has already done and He will be faithful to all of us.
Galatians 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Colossians 3:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
The way I read this passage is Paul saying when we desire to follow the Lord, even though we
struggle, have disappointments, often see things in the wrong way, for these people nothing
can separate us form the love of God in Christ.
So many here are saying they desired to follow Jesus but things emotionally went wrong,
disappointments came in and they literally left the church. They had assumed success without
issues or problems, and when they found things did not work out that way, they felt their whole
faith was lost.
What people forget is how we learn. We try something out and it goes wrong, so next time we
know how to get things right. It is often these disappointments and trials that prove the
commitment of the heart.
This is much more than it is impossible to lose faith or walk away, but the fact you have come
back shows the reality of the work Christ has done in your heart. Amen.
struggle, have disappointments, often see things in the wrong way, for these people nothing
can separate us form the love of God in Christ.
So many here are saying they desired to follow Jesus but things emotionally went wrong,
disappointments came in and they literally left the church. They had assumed success without
issues or problems, and when they found things did not work out that way, they felt their whole
faith was lost.
What people forget is how we learn. We try something out and it goes wrong, so next time we
know how to get things right. It is often these disappointments and trials that prove the
commitment of the heart.
This is much more than it is impossible to lose faith or walk away, but the fact you have come
back shows the reality of the work Christ has done in your heart. Amen.
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We all have these struggles, but I do not see these struggles having a bearing on our eternal life, our eternal life is based on our faith in his gospel of salvation by faith, not in trusting in every area of ur lives, if it did, no one would make it to heaven, because we all have issues of mistrust, especially people who have been hurt deeply before.
Some men aren't quite as certain as you about this one particular matter of faith.
And since they can not see where some of a doctrine came from (or think it's ridiculous), they make the decision to apply the warnings to themselves rather than everyone else.
And maybe God really does lead some children a bit differently. It does make sense, since in temporal life, some children are proud and fearless to their possible harm and others are timid and fearful to their lack of spontaneity.
I just honestly think that sometimes you do not let God do His work with men and do not let them be where they are. That is just my opinion, brother. G7 and Cee know where to stop and to see that a person is doing well. They are good...spiritual counselors because they are able to...I don't know exactly how to explain it...but I think maybe they understand that doctrine won't keep a man from his struggles of trust because that is just part of growing up. They understand that those struggles are part of growing up and so they don't get bitter with others when they aren't as far along spiritually as they are.
Who knows? Maybe it's because they know and remember what their own struggles have been. So they do what they can to help a man and then they trust him to Gods care to reveal more and more to them.
And since they can not see where some of a doctrine came from (or think it's ridiculous), they make the decision to apply the warnings to themselves rather than everyone else.
And maybe God really does lead some children a bit differently. It does make sense, since in temporal life, some children are proud and fearless to their possible harm and others are timid and fearful to their lack of spontaneity.
I just honestly think that sometimes you do not let God do His work with men and do not let them be where they are. That is just my opinion, brother. G7 and Cee know where to stop and to see that a person is doing well. They are good...spiritual counselors because they are able to...I don't know exactly how to explain it...but I think maybe they understand that doctrine won't keep a man from his struggles of trust because that is just part of growing up. They understand that those struggles are part of growing up and so they don't get bitter with others when they aren't as far along spiritually as they are.
Who knows? Maybe it's because they know and remember what their own struggles have been. So they do what they can to help a man and then they trust him to Gods care to reveal more and more to them.
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not really Cee
she makes things up about me and posts about me to others and you say nothing about that.
you are as much of a bully here as the others who joined in. I thought better of you but I guess you had to show your prejudice
nothing you wrote you cannot apply to yourself first BECAUSE you actually thought you had to mix in
you are simply a part of the other side of this debate
you certainly have not written the truth, but simply stood up for your friend who has lied about me and tried to get me banned by saying I was a banned person
you are taking sides in a personal matter. now go and send some pm's and make it better
she makes things up about me and posts about me to others and you say nothing about that.
you are as much of a bully here as the others who joined in. I thought better of you but I guess you had to show your prejudice
nothing you wrote you cannot apply to yourself first BECAUSE you actually thought you had to mix in
you are simply a part of the other side of this debate
you certainly have not written the truth, but simply stood up for your friend who has lied about me and tried to get me banned by saying I was a banned person
you are taking sides in a personal matter. now go and send some pm's and make it better
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See this is is what I mean
i told you my view and what. See of the gospel, and you slapped me, yells at me, or whatever it is you always do, instead of taking my view, discussing it if you disagree, or just saying, ok, I understand what you see, but I disagree,
yet it it is perfectly fine for other people to tell others what they believe, and you never say a word.
again, I see the gospel as faith In Christ to save me, not as faith in Christ to help me in all my needs, that is sanctification or Christian growth, which is a result of the gospel,
if you disagree, that's fine, just say it, but please, this stuff has got to stop.
I'm sorry, I don't understand what stuff has got to stop.
I am not yelling at you or slapping you. I don't know where this comes from EG...
We are being open and honest.
If someone disagrees it isn't yelling and slapping.
You are going to have to explain to me what needs to stop. Is it my opinions that you think I need to stop giving?
I am not yelling at you or slapping you. I don't know where this comes from EG...
We are being open and honest.
If someone disagrees it isn't yelling and slapping.
You are going to have to explain to me what needs to stop. Is it my opinions that you think I need to stop giving?
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I see a post, a see an opening, and I get excited, a teachable moment, I can use this post to show what I see, and maybe just maybe, a lot of the bickering will stop, and people will understand where others are coming from,
then that is the response I get,
yet i I can make a hard thought out post sharing what faith is, and how it grows, and what causes faith to fall away, and I get a response of "that does not fit that passage" (no comment on what I Said, n refusal of what I said, no discussion or intended discussion of what I think or desire to understand,) and no one says a word.
And they want to know why why I think I am always singled out by a person..
then that is the response I get,
yet i I can make a hard thought out post sharing what faith is, and how it grows, and what causes faith to fall away, and I get a response of "that does not fit that passage" (no comment on what I Said, n refusal of what I said, no discussion or intended discussion of what I think or desire to understand,) and no one says a word.
And they want to know why why I think I am always singled out by a person..
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read my last post I just made, if you do not see it, I guess you never will
i was not trying to attack you when I spoke about the two different kinds of faith, I was not trying to force my view on you, I was just sharing he my view differed from yours, and again, you came at me saying I needed to do this and that.
if it is ok for others to give there view, and not ok for me to share my view, please just say so. And I will stop responding to you
i was not trying to attack you when I spoke about the two different kinds of faith, I was not trying to force my view on you, I was just sharing he my view differed from yours, and again, you came at me saying I needed to do this and that.
if it is ok for others to give there view, and not ok for me to share my view, please just say so. And I will stop responding to you
Okay, EG, it's enough.
I don't understand why you think I am yelling at or slapping you.
It pains me that you see me this way because I love you and it is not my intent to hurt you. I have never once had the intent of hurting you.
But if you do feel hurt by me, it's enough and I will not speak to you for a while if it will make you feel better. I don't want you to think I am trying to harm you. I want you to feel safe with me, not attacked.
I don't understand why you think I am yelling at or slapping you.
It pains me that you see me this way because I love you and it is not my intent to hurt you. I have never once had the intent of hurting you.
But if you do feel hurt by me, it's enough and I will not speak to you for a while if it will make you feel better. I don't want you to think I am trying to harm you. I want you to feel safe with me, not attacked.