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    I don't believe Peter is against Christ.

    I believe we are being called here to love and edify one and other in Spirit and Truth as the day approaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveme1 View Post
    There is no twist on my part.. I'm sharing honestly.

    Stop attacking everyone who offer different beliefs.. by all means edify with the Truth where you are able.. but you go through the posts that you disagree with and accuse..

    I read believers sharing the works of their Lord yet you try to trample like they are in error.

    If you want to apply those verses you hold to then go find those under the law..


    We are under Grace at liberty to love and obey in Christ.
    Quit crying....you post a verse in a thread about biblical salvation and I tell you to look up context...called constructive criticism not an attack....are you easily offended?
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    Quote Originally Posted by loveme1 View Post
    I don't believe Peter is against Christ.

    I believe we are being called here to love and edify one and other in Spirit and Truth as the day approaches.
    Love and truth go hand in hand....you cannot have one without the other.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Sure he does....HE STATES clearly that ONE can quit and walk away lost....the bible does not teach that....JESUS FINISHES and COMPLETES every work of faith HE began in anyone.....they at end up like the prodigal and waste their inheritance through rioteous living, they may end up like the Corinthian brother cut lose for the destruction of the flesh, they may end up with works of wood, hay and stubble that gets torched yet they will remain saved....ONCE CHRIST begins a work of faith in someone he WILL COMPLETE it and FINISH IT...to say otherwise is to call JESUS and liar, a fraud and incapable of FINISHING that which he has began.....regardless of how one twists it.....!
    The Good Shepherd will lead His Sheep to the gate but they must hear and follow Him Faithfully.

    Peter is saying we must keep listening and following patiently...

    it is written:

    Matthew 22

    11And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14For many are called, but few are chosen.





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    Faith + no works = dead

    Works + no faith = dead

    We need faith and works
    Mt5:18"I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected." Rev21:1-2"I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." Rom3:28"For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."31"Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Quit crying....you post a verse in a thread about biblical salvation and I tell you to look up context...called constructive criticism not an atttack....are you easily offended?

    I have no reason to cry.. you are abrupt but I'm not gonna cry.. when one as been beaten to a pulp and still stands and loves those who hurt.. you better believe I will still love you also... but will speak if needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Love and truth go hand in hand....you cannot have one without the other.....
    That is my line mr DC!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    Faith + no works = dead

    Works + no faith = dead

    We need faith and works
    FAITH alone saves.....sorry..works do not embellish that which has already been given by faith....

    We conclude a man is justified by faith without the works of the LAW.....

    SAVED by faith and faith ALONE

    ANY WORK is a result of the faith and salvation one already possesses in Christ....

    ROMANS-->PAUL-->justified before GOD BY FAITH void of works
    JAMES-->JAMES-->our faith that justifies and saves before GOD seen BY MEN by our works

    works do not save, keep saved or embellish salvation......Galatians 1 and 3 equates faith plus works for as a false gospel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    Faith + no works = dead

    Works + no faith = dead

    We need faith and works

    We need Faith.. and that Faith produces works..

    they are essesntialy one... else the Faith is dead like you say.
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    We need to love and obey GOD through Faith in His Son...
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    Quote Originally Posted by loveme1 View Post
    I have no reason to cry.. you are abrupt but I'm not gonna cry.. when one as been beaten to a pulp and still stands and loves those who hurt.. you better believe I will still love you also... but will speak if needed.
    Like I said last night....I hate no one here, but I do despise any doctrine that leads one astray and or that denies the works of Christ on our behalf.....some of the vanilla café blend gospels on this site devalue the work of Christ, his sacrifice and the promises he has made.....I am blunt, and lack tact I know.....just defending the truth as I perceive it

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveme1 View Post
    We need to love and obey GOD through Faith in His Son...
    Luke 11:28, “But He said, "...blessed are those who hear the word of Yah and observe it.”

    John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."


    2 John/Yahanan 1:9, "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of the Messiah, does not have Yah. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."


    John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 - poimén)."


    Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."


    Revelation 14:12, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.






    John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."





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    Mt5:18"I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected." Rev21:1-2"I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." Rom3:28"For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."31"Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    Faith + no works = dead

    Works + no faith = dead

    We need faith and works
    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    FAITH alone saves.....sorry..works do not embellish that which has already been given by faith....

    We conclude a man is justified by faith without the works of the LAW.....

    SAVED by faith and faith ALONE

    ANY WORK is a result of the faith and salvation one already possesses in Christ....

    ROMANS-->PAUL-->justified before GOD BY FAITH void of works
    JAMES-->JAMES-->our faith that justifies and saves before GOD seen BY MEN by our works

    works do not save, keep saved or embellish salvation......Galatians 1 and 3 equates faith plus works for as a false gospel
    James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."



    James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"



    James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."

    James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

    Mt 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev 21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.

    Rom 331, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

    John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

    John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

    *John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"


    *Mosheh wrote:

    Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

    "listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַע - shama` {shaw-mah'}

    Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
    A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

    Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey



    Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."


    Genesis/Bereshith 3:15, “And I put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed. He shall crush your head, and you shall crush His heel.”


    Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."


    Revelation 14:12, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.


    Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

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    Mt5:18"I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected." Rev21:1-2"I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." Rom3:28"For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."31"Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."



    James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"



    James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."

    James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

    Mt 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev 21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.

    Rom 331, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

    John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

    John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

    *John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"


    *Mosheh wrote:

    Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

    "listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַע - shama` {shaw-mah'}

    Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
    A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

    Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey



    Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."


    Genesis/Bereshith 3:15, “And I put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed. He shall crush your head, and you shall crush His heel.”


    Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."


    Revelation 14:12, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.


    Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
    Sorry.....your law abiding, works for to be justified before God will not pass the smell test......

    The just shall live by faith<---no works or law abiding found in this verse.

    In the grace you are, having been saved by faith and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of GOD not of works lest an man should boast.

    Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us.

    He that believes on the son is not condemned.

    NO ONE will ever be justified before God by that which was designed and given to prove guilt.

    Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Like I said last night....I hate no one here, but I do despise any doctrine that leads one astray and or that denies the works of Christ on our behalf.....some of the vanilla café blend gospels on this site devalue the work of Christ, his sacrifice and the promises he has made.....I am blunt, and lack tact I know.....just defending the truth as I perceive it
    I often try to share with those who are being bewitched in this day to try and revive the dead husband(works) rather than love and obey the New Husband which Is Our Lord and Saviour Son of GOD.

    So I understand zeal.. but if we harden our heart we will hear the word work and think it is denying Christ and His precious Blood that did what we could not for ourselves.

    Loving and obeying is because we are saved and loved..

    You know GOD is powerful and Faithful so that is why we are to believe to be made new Baptized with the Holy Spirit that guides and comforts us in to all Truth.

    But if we mix up those who reject the Son of GOD with those that have received and forever grateful they Love and serve not for but because of.. So they can be lead to the gate by the Good Shepherd you are closing yourself off from the Messiah's Testimony.



    There is a movement trying to revive the dead husband.. and they believe there is a renewed Covenant rather than a New Covenant.. but I will stand in GOD's power through Faith and show His Grace while I abide.
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    Psalm 103:19, "יהוה has established His throne in the heavens, And His reign shall rule over all.”

    Hebrews 11:3, “By belief, we understand that the ages were prepared by the word of Yah, so that what is seen was not made of what is visible."

    Psalms 119:89, “Forever, O יהוה, Your word stands firm in the heavens.”

    Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account."

    Isaiah 66:15-16, “For look, יהוה comes with fire and with His chariots, like a whirlwind, to render His displeasure with burning, and His rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by His sword יהוה shall judge all flesh, and the slain of יהוה shall be many.”


    Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood and His Name is called: The Word of יהוה. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Strength Almighty. And on His robe and on His banner He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS."

    John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."


    John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    You cannot help but spread deceit and falsehoods hey.....really proves who leads you.....we consistently point 100% to Jesus and his sufficiency and you and your cronies constantly point to self and works while devaluing the cross of Calvary, the imputed righteousness of Christ. You twist what we say, misrepresent what we say and absolutely stand against Jesus by your stance Peter.
    If I was to take you seriously, imagine this. I stand beside a non-believer listening
    to the gospel, we leave the room and continue our lives.

    Now let us suppose there is nothing to distinguish us apart.
    Why will God reward one and not the other?

    This appears what you are saying.
    God may as well save the world, even not die on the cross, because it is
    the same as going to the movies and seeing a film, it makes no difference to
    the viewer.

    You have just followed a way of thinking that excludes everything in man as evil,
    so any action of a person cannot be included in the description of faith or experience.

    So if you have salvation in this context, either it is totally arbitary, or universal.
    This is why you denial of this whole theological and philosophical construct makes
    everything else you write irrelevant.

    Jesus expects us to build our house on the rock, following His advice.
    Not exactly a difficult idea, but for you it is impossible, because surely you do not
    know Jesus to talk like you do.
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    "He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 cor 15:57

    The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you

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    The parable of the talents, is about putting to work the gifts God has given us.
    And if nothing comes of it, and we have done nothing, we will be rejected.

    Seems very obvious, do not respond, lose it all.
    I share "Jesus Christ and him crucified" 1 cor 2:2
    "He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 cor 15:57

    The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJens View Post
    , because surely you do not
    know Jesus to talk like you do.
    See....I acknowledge the CROSS of Calvary and the imputed righteousness of Christ....YOU devalue and reject both as insufficient and or a trick that does not work....NO my friend....I would say your partial quote here applies unto yourself and not me......try again....!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    See....I acknowledge the CROSS of Calvary and the imputed righteousness of Christ....YOU devalue and reject both as insufficient and or a trick that does not work....NO my friend....I would say your partial quote here applies unto yourself and not me......try again....!
    Well lots of people acknowledge that Jesus died, does not change them.

    Unless the reality of Christs works brings repentance and humbleness in your heart it means
    nothing to you. I know lots of people who go through everything yet they know nothing
    in their hearts.

    What you take as devaluing, is actually the opposite. I know Jesus changed me, because I
    changed. It has taken a long time for me to see the difference between us.

    I know Christs work, you still wait for it when He returns.
    It is difficult at first in the early part of following Jesus to see the differences.
    But it becomes more obvious over many years.

    You still need Christ to wash you like a young believer, because nothing has
    really been resolved. And because of this you project on to me your own state,
    because you know no other. Unfortunately it is very possible to have all the head knowledge
    and miss the reality within.

    One member here saw no problem bullying and abusing another because they were weak in
    their eyes. They did not see this spoke to what they were within, but we are what we are.

    So another glorious day walking with the Lord, Amen.
    I share "Jesus Christ and him crucified" 1 cor 2:2
    "He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 cor 15:57

    The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you

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