Not By Works
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Because his god cannot KEEP him saved BY HIS POWER like ours can and does.....he is oblivious to Greek verb tense and the present continuing result from a PAST COMPLETED ACTION.......He can boast before JESUS how HE kept himself saved and did not need JESUS....his faith usurps the faith of JESUS by his very doctrine.....
HAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH wow man.....you really do not understand justified do you...nor the fact that EVERY SIN was already covered and paid for in full.....I have heard it all now.....I have to do this I have to do that I have to keep on keeping on or I lose that which is eternal.....wow................
The bible is clear...I am SECURE in HIS HANDS and KEPT by HIS POWER.....you state clearly that YOUR god is WEAK and cannot keep you, but rather YOU MUST HELP HIM keep you saved.....saved, sealed, justified and sanctified forever to the uttermost and kept by his POWER<----you view undermines this...how is it that you cannot see that....
The above I false....both are incorrect.....one is either saved eternally or they were never saved to begin with....there is NO SUCH thing as presently believing = presently saved nor a former believer is not secure in Christ
ALL who have exercised genuine faith into JESUS are saved eternally to the uttermost and KEPT by the power of GOD...YOUR use of Hebrews 10 and the other 3 sets of verse to say one can LOSE salvation is false, out of context and twisted to push a dogma that the bible does not teach.....
ALL who have exercised genuine faith into JESUS are saved eternally to the uttermost and KEPT by the power of GOD...YOUR use of Hebrews 10 and the other 3 sets of verse to say one can LOSE salvation is false, out of context and twisted to push a dogma that the bible does not teach.....
MAN.....lead is not as dense.....the fact that you teach you can lose it and MUST MAINTAIN IT YOURSELF or LOSE IT = a self reliant works based false gospel.....if you cannot see this we are done....until you can admit the truth about your stance this is just a waste of time and = high blood pressure.
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Everybody who believes is secure in his hands and kept by his power, for it is "through faith" that you are kept by the power of God (1 Peter 1:5). Yet you go on record as saying that to be 'kept by the power of God through faith' (1 Peter 1:5) means I'm trying to save myself. When did believing become a work of the damnable works gospel?
I've long sided with you on OSAS, but over time have gone to the eternal security of the believer (genuine). I've been reading the word of God lately and there are so many warnings that such would be meaningless to give if there was no risk involved. I've learned that one can forsake the Lord, it is not that a man has lost it, but has chosen in his heart the evils of this world and has tossed aside the Lord for the lusts therein.
Very very sad to read this Ben 