Not By Works

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loveme1

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You have no truth in you. You can not even repeat what I said. I never said the bolder things you claim I said.

The law teaches that not all are worthy, That is why Christ had to the not only the sacrificial lamb, but the high priest. Who takes away all our sins. But he will not force it on you, he wants you to recieve his gift as is.

you are adding Works to his gift, Proving you do not trust his gift, You think you have to add to it to make it work. His gift is not enough. Thus you have rejected it.


If you think you will make yourself worthy, You will fail, and you will be lost.
Christ makes me worthy.. all I do is believe for that is all I have...and Trust Him and obey Him through this belief.. I will not fail because He is my Strength and guide my Saviour.. His gift is my treasure within.. all things through Faith that worketh by love.
 

blue_ladybug

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EG isn't saying that we are not to do good works... What he IS saying, is that we are NOT to do them with the express intent of trying to keep and maintain our salvation..
There IS a difference between doing good works, and doing them for selfish intents such as keeping and maintaining salvation or trying to get into heaven based on how many selfish works we do.

Yes those with True Saving Faith work because they were saved to do the works taught them by their Lord whom they Love because He Loved them.. the same Lord teaches us the Commandments and to be perfect and Righteous... to Love and forgive as we are Loved and forgiven.. the same Lord gives us warnings that our works are not perfect.. that we may not be worthy to walk in white with Him.. the same Lord that says my reward is with me to give to every man according to his works... the same Lord who states Blessed are they that do His Commandments that they may have the right to the Tree of life.. yes the same Lord and Saviour that teaches us it is better to cut off our hand or pluck out our eye than sin...

The saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and Have the Faith of Jesus.. how plainer can it be yet you believe not.

Heavenly Father I share your Truth for your Glory and the Salvation of man.. may many come to seek you diligently through your Son's Testament. For no one comes to the Father without the Son neither the Son without the Father. You are One and you are Love and Truth with Everlasting goodness.. may every knee bow.. for this you deserve always and forever.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes those with True Saving Faith work because they were saved to do the works taught them by their Lord whom they Love because He Loved them.. the same Lord teaches us the Commandments and to be perfect and Righteous... to Love and forgive as we are Loved and forgiven.. the same Lord gives us warnings that our works are not perfect.. that we may not be worthy to walk in white with Him.. the same Lord that says my reward is with me to give to every man according to his works... the same Lord who states Blessed are they that do His Commandments that they may have the right to the Tree of life.. yes the same Lord and Saviour that teaches us it is better to cut off our hand or pluck out our eye than sin...

The saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and Have the Faith of Jesus.. how plainer can it be yet you believe not.
Please stop. I agree with everything you said above. If your not going to listen to people. Why bother talking to them.

How many times do you have to be told to stop telling people they believe things they do not, befor you start to open you eyes to see why they are saying that?


Heavenly Father I share your Truth for your Glory and the Salvation of man.. may many come to seek you diligently through your Son's Testament. For no one comes to the Father without the Son neither the Son without the Father. You are One and you are Love and Truth with Everlasting goodness.. may every knee bow.. for this you deserve always and forever.
As long as you teach works are required to maintain salvation. You are in error. And teaching works top get faith, not works which procedure out of faith. Period
 

loveme1

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Please stop. I agree with everything you said above. If your not going to listen to people. Why bother talking to them.

How many times do you have to be told to stop telling people they believe things they do not, befor you start to open you eyes to see why they are saying that?




As long as you teach works are required to maintain salvation. You are in error. And teaching works top get faith, not works which procedure out of faith. Period

You rattle on about me not listening and saying i accuse you of things you have not said.. yet Eg.. you are guilty of such and are well known for it..

Does the Messiah teach us works to receive Everlasting life? That is the question.. and the answer determines our Faith.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dude you have no right to tell other people what their point was. You need to repent of your arrogance.

Sorry, but she was right, that WAS MY POINT< YOUR WRONG AS USUAL.



The Pharisees did NOT keep the law. Yet we have people here eager to keep the law out of love for God and they are the one's that get called the Pharisee. Go figure.

NO ONE can keep the law. NO ONE, the law was not given to make us righteous, it was given to lead us to christ. People trying to go back to the law to make themselves righteous are taking the law out of context. it was never made to be a guide to who is righteous and who is not, jesus prove4d this one thge sermon on the mount.


the Pharisees thought they were righteous according to the law. And did not need grace, thats why they crucified christ, thge jews tried to add their works to grace, saying we must have both, paul spent a lifetime trying to expose those hudiasers as false prophets and false treachers, even telling them if they want to follow one part of the law to be saved, they are indebted to follow it all.

They are no different that Peter. Love me and others who demand the cross is not enough, and that we must add our works to grace to MAINTAIN salvation
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eternally-gratefull

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You rattle on about me not listening and saying i accuse you of things you have not said.. yet Eg.. you are guilty of such and are well known for it..

Does the Messiah teach us works to receive Everlasting life? That is the question.. and the answer determines our Faith.
lets settle this right now

are works required to maintain salvation, yes or no?

Will you answer, or do like you always do when confronted and run?
 

blue_ladybug

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It boggles the mind, that people selectively miss the part of doing works that says they are NOT to done WITH THE INTENT OF GAINING OR MAINTAINING SALVATION... :/
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EG isn't saying that we are not to do good works... What he IS saying, is that we are NOT to do them with the express intent of trying to keep and maintain our salvation..
There IS a difference between doing good works, and doing them for selfish intents such as keeping and maintaining salvation or trying to get into heaven based on how many selfish works we do.
They will never get this sis, If they admit this a, they will have to admit they were wrong about me, and for some reason, repentance, although they preach it, is just to hard for them.

Thank you sis, for showing what I DO BELIEVE, and exposoing the lies.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Christ makes me worthy.. all I do is believe for that is all I have...and Trust Him and obey Him through this belief.. I will not fail because He is my Strength and guide my Saviour.. His gift is my treasure within.. all things through Faith that worketh by love.
so do you have to maintain your salvation but works, If you become a prodigal child for whatever reason, do you lose salvation? And have to repent to get salvation back?
 

loveme1

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EG isn't saying that we are not to do good works... What he IS saying, is that we are NOT to do them with the express intent of trying to keep and maintain our salvation..
There IS a difference between doing good works, and doing them for selfish intents such as keeping and maintaining salvation or trying to get into heaven based on how many selfish works we do.

So so if I Keep the Lord's Testament I'm being selfish and earning my way in to heaven? You see I have no boast of good works I have my Faith in Christ who instructs us to Keep His Word which teaches us the Commandments of GOD.. We are taught to Love GOD and each other.. Now if I do these things because the Lord teaches this am I earning my salvation?
 

blue_ladybug

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IF you're doing works only to keep your salvation, then YES, you are being selfish and trying to earn your way into heaven..

However, if you're doing works simply because God requires them in order to show His love to others through us, then NO, you're not trying to earn your way into heaven.

Good works are done to show God's love through us to others, and for no other purpose than that..

So so if I Keep the Lord's Testament I'm being selfish and earning my way in to heaven? You see I have no boast of good works I have my Faith in Christ who instructs us to Keep His Word which teaches us the Commandments of GOD.. We are taught to Love GOD and each other.. Now if I do these things because the Lord teaches this am I earning my salvation?
 

blue_ladybug

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No problem... :)


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They will never get this sis, If they admit this a, they will have to admit they were wrong about me, and for some reason, repentance, although they preach it, is just to hard for them.

Thank you sis, for showing what I DO BELIEVE, and exposoing the lies.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So so if I Keep the Lord's Testament I'm being selfish and earning my way in to heaven?
IF your doing it to maintain salvation, Yes

If your doing it because you love God. No.

Should I copy and past this for further use next time people slander me and say I teach yes for both possibilities?



You see I have no boast of good works I have my Faith in Christ who instructs us to Keep His Word which teaches us the Commandments of GOD.. We are taught to Love GOD and each other.. Now if I do these things because the Lord teaches this am I earning my salvation?
Again, if your doing it to maitain salvation, yes,

if your not doing it to maintain salvation, but believe your salvation is secure in christ and can not be lost, Then NO

If your answer is no. You have to explain why you defend people who think otherwise.


 

loveme1

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lets settle this right now

are works required to maintain salvation, yes or no?

Will you answer, or do like you always do when confronted and run?
I have nothing to settle with you eg... for it is neither about you or I... it is about the Truth according to GOD.

The Lord is clear enough that we are to have perfect works and not defile our garments if this is contrary to your theology then you should consider believing GOD.

We contend and GOD knows which of us belongs to Him.

We both believe we speak Truth and like I state before it is not settled between us.. GOD judge between us.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I have nothing to settle with you eg... for it is neither about you or I... it is about the Truth according to GOD.

The Lord is clear enough that we are to have perfect works and not defile our garments if this is contrary to your theology then you should consider believing GOD.

We contend and GOD knows which of us belongs to Him.

We both believe we speak Truth and like I state before it is not settled between us.. GOD judge between us.
Your right, it is not about you and I

it is about setting the argument about what each other believes. Your claim I falsely accuse you, so it is time you prove it with facts and not just your claim.

So are you going to answer and prove me wrong about what I say you believe, or not (which essentially is admitting I was right to begin with)
 

blue_ladybug

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That's where you are dead wrong.. God says NOTHING about having "perfect" works.. He says only to do them to show His love for others through us.. thus His commandment to "love one another as I have loved you". :)


I have nothing to settle with you eg... for it is neither about you or I... it is about the Truth according to GOD.

The Lord is clear enough that we are to have perfect works and not defile our garments if this is contrary to your theology then you should consider believing GOD.

We contend and GOD knows which of us belongs to Him.

We both believe we speak Truth and like I state before it is not settled between us.. GOD judge between us.
 

loveme1

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P.s Eg.. take not my retreats as running away.. I value Peace and Truth more than arguing to the point one may sin... there is a thin line between sharing and arguing to be right.. for it the intent is wrong then silence is golden.
 

loveme1

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That's where you are dead wrong.. God says NOTHING about having "perfect" works.. He says only to do them to show His love for others through us.. thus His commandment to "love one another as I have loved you". :)
Are you sure about this? For I can prove you in error... but give you a chance to consider the matter.
 

loveme1

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Your right, it is not about you and I

it is about setting the argument about what each other believes. Your claim I falsely accuse you, so it is time you prove it with facts and not just your claim.

So are you going to answer and prove me wrong about what I say you believe, or not (which essentially is admitting I was right to begin with)
You see my belief is that GOD is right to begin and end with.. which of us represent His Truth He knows.. so if you essentially want to be right.. you are out to prove yourself right.. enjoy yourself with that.
 

blue_ladybug

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It is impossible to do perfect anything, in a fallen, mortal world.. WE won't even be perfect until Jesus returns and perfects us..Your works are not perfect, neither are mine, nor anyone else's.. We can TRY to be perfect, but we will NOT achieve that status in THIS lifetime..


Are you sure about this? For I can prove you in error... but give you a chance to consider the matter.