Not By Works

[PHart]

Council of Laodicea (4th Century) Canon 29
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Definition - “anathema” - noun, plural a·nath·e·mas.
1.a person or thing detested or loathed: That subject is anathema to him.
2.a person or thing accursed or consigned to damnation or destruction.
3.a formal ecclesiastical curse involving excommunication.
4.any imprecation of divine punishment.
5.a curse; execration.”

See? The spiritual morons in leadership of the church decided to make it against the law to keep the law. Their ridiculous thinking that it's only possible to keep the law of Moses with the intent of being justified by it has been passed down generation to generation, even into the Protestant Church. Most Protestants are completely unaware of why they do what they do. They think the reason the way things are is because God made them that way. That's not even remotely true.

 

[Hizikyah]

See? The spiritual morons in leadership of the church decided to make it against the law to keep the law. Their ridiculous thinking that it's only possible to keep the law of Moses with the intent of being justified by it has been passed down generation to generation, even into the Protestant Church. Most Protestants are completely unaware of why they do what they do. They think the reason the way things are is because God made them that way. That's not even remotely true.

Well Yah is the Most High, let His ways be our ways.

not man made religion like these;

 

[phil36]

See? The spiritual morons in leadership of the church decided to make it against the law to keep the law. Their ridiculous thinking that it's only possible to keep the law of Moses with the intent of being justified by it has been passed down generation to generation, even into the Protestant Church. Most Protestants are completely unaware of why they do what they do. They think the reason the way things are is because God made them that way. That's not even remotely true.

I don't think I would like to be calling the Apostle Paul a stupid moron!!!


Gal 1:6-8
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel – which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Gal 2:4-5
This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves. We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.

Gal 2:11-16
When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, ‘You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15 ‘We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

 

[preacher4truth]

See? The spiritual morons in leadership of the church

The spiritual morons in the church are the ones who believe keeping the law, or doing anything assists Christ and their salvation. See Galatians. See Romans.

 

[VCO]

Hi garee,

I write this as a help and no disrespect.

Matthew 28:1
And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the first day of the week (sabbaths), came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre

This is a correct use of the Greek word sabbatōn; σαββάτων which is used twice in this verse and translates as "Sabbath(s)" meaning is plural more than one. This scripture above is written this way for a number of reasons. Firstly the word sabbatōn; σαββάτων can have two meanings in the Greek depending on the context being use. That is it can represent the day or the intervals from one sabbath to another representing a week.

Strong's Concordance

4521. sabbaton
sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)
​

Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sabbaton
Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on)
Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week
Definition: the Sabbath, or a week.

Of Hebrew origin (shabbath); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. The interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications -- sabbath (day), week.

see HEBREW shabbath


This is the reason why all bible translations make the scripture read........

Matthew 28:1
In the end of the sabbath(s), as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (4521: sabbaton), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Just a point of interest we could leave it there and it all makes sense but just an interesting side note. In this particular week that Jesus died, coincided with the annual Jewish festivals of the Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, and Feast of Weeks which had their fulfillment in Jesus death and resurrection.

These annual festivals included Holy convocations (sabbaton) where no no ordinary work (H4399; מְלָאכָה mᵉlāʾḵâ; employment or business for income) was allowed. In the Greek these Holy convocations also translate as sabbatōn; σαββάτων..............

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

G4521. sabbaton
Sabbath day Of Hebrew origin (shabbath); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly rest from secular avocations (occupation, employment business) also the observance or institution itself; by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. The interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications -- sabbath (day), week.


The Feast of Unleavened Bread was one of these festival sabbaths (G4521. sabbaton) that could fall on any day of the week. During the time of the death of Jesus was also the time of some of the annual Jewish festivals (Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread, Feast of First fruits (resurrection). When Jesus died and rested according to the commandment it was called a "High Sabbath Day". The Jews called a Sabbath a "High Day" when one of the annual festival sabbaths (holy convocations) which could normally fall on any day of the week would fall on the 7th Day weekly Sabbath of God's commandment (John 19:31) See also Wiki High Sabbaths

In this case the Feast of Unleavened Bread fell on the Passover and weekly Sabbath making two Sabbath(s) in one (plural), meaning God's weekly 7th Day Sabbath (sabbaton) and the annual festival sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened bread which was a Holy convocation meaning rest and no secular work was allowed (sabbaton). Hence the first part of Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath(s).....

So also your quote above does not tell us that God's 7th Day Sabbath is not abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of Man breaking the commandment of God and if we break the commandments of God to follow the teachings of man we are not following God because it is written......

Matthew 15:3-9
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Hope this is helpful and of interest.

THERE YOU GO BREAKING A COMMANDMENT OF GOD.

Proverbs 30:5-6 (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.


Acts 20:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] On the first day of the week, we assembled to break bread. Paul spoke to them, and since he was about to depart the next day, he extended his message until midnight. {ONE VERY LONG SERMON}
[SUP]8 [/SUP] There were many lamps in the room upstairs where we were assembled,


1 Corinthians 16:1-2 (HCSB) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now about the collection for the saints: You should do the same as I instructed the Galatian churches.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] On the first day of the week, each of you is to set something aside and save in keeping with how he prospers, so that no collections will need to be made when I come.



John 20:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] In the evening of that first day of the week, the disciples were ⌊gathered together⌋ with the doors locked because of their fear of the Jews. Then Jesus came, stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!”



Leviticus 23:15-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “You are to count seven complete weeks starting from the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the presentation offering.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You are to count 50 days until the day after the seventh Sabbath and then present an offering of new grain to the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Bring two loaves of bread from your settlements as a presentation offering, each of them made from four quarts of fine flour, baked with yeast, as firstfruits to the LORD.


1 Corinthians 15:20 (NRSV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have died.


Romans 14:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] One person considers one day to be above another day. Someone else considers every day to be the same. Each one must be fully convinced in his own mind.


We could care less about what the Catholic Church calls Sabbath.

BUT THE EVANGELICALS, BAPTISTS, AND MOST OTHER MAINLINE CHURCHES, I CAN ASSURE YOU, WHAT I POSTED ABOVE, IS WHY WE WORSHIP ON SUNDAY. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KEEPING THE SABBATH. No one who knows what they are talking about, will tell you Sunday is the Christian Sabbath. That LIE came from Sabbeth Keepers, like Ellen White, and Catholics who know little or NOTHING about what we really teach and believe. So you can stop LYING about what we teach and believe, which is a sin; because NOW we know you have been told the TRUTH.

 

[Redeemed2015]

The spiritual morons in the church are the ones who believe keeping the law, or doing anything assists Christ and their salvation. See Galatians. See Romans.

Who is making the claim that we keep the law to assist/earn/maintain our salvation?
Such is not scriptural, nor is it the purpose for keeping the law.

"If you love me keep my commandments."
"This is the love of God, that you keep my commandments. And my commandments are not burdensome."
"Let this be the final word on the matter: Fear God and keep HIS commandments, for this is the whole duty of mankind."

 

[VCO]

Well that scripture certainly does not say that God now commands all people now to abolish the 4th commandment and now keep Sunday as a Holy day now does it?

Hebrews 7:11-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] If then, perfection came through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there for another priest to appear, said to be in the order of Melchizedek and not in the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For when there is a change of the priesthood,
there must be a change of law as well.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For the One these things are spoken about belonged to a different tribe. No one from it has served at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Now it is evident that our Lord came from Judah, and Moses said nothing about that tribe concerning priests.




Hebrews 7:18-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] So the previous command is annulled because it was weak and unprofitable
[SUP]19 [/SUP] (for the law perfected nothing), but a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] None of this ⌊happened⌋ without an oath. For others became priests without an oath,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] but He became a priest with an oath made by the One who said to Him: The Lord has sworn, and He will not change His mind, You are a priest forever.

 

[VCO]

Here we go again folks.

Another round of so-called Fine Sounding Arguments, based on teachings from False Prophets.

Colossians 2:4 (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments.

 

[Hizikyah]

Hebrews 7:11-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] If then, perfection came through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there for another priest to appear, said to be in the order of Melchizedek and not in the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For when there is a change of the priesthood,
there must be a change of law as well.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For the One these things are spoken about belonged to a different tribe. No one from it has served at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Now it is evident that our Lord came from Judah, and Moses said nothing about that tribe concerning priests.

Hebrews 7:18-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] So the previous command is annulled because it was weak and unprofitable
[SUP]19 [/SUP] (for the law perfected nothing), but a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] None of this ⌊happened⌋ without an oath. For others became priests without an oath,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] but He became a priest with an oath made by the One who said to Him: The Lord has sworn, and He will not change His mind, You are a priest forever.

Context; Levitical Priesthood no more... DO not kill, do not steal, have none before Yah, do not take the name of Yah to vanity, etc. remain...

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”

1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”

1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of the commandment is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."

(goal)is word #G5056 –télos; Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) all, whole, completely

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and (#G2087 ) any othercommandments aresummed up ( #G346 ) in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

“any”is word #G2087 - heteros
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the other, another, other, 1 to number,1a1) to number as opposed to some former person or thing,1a2) the other of two,1b) to quality,1b1) another: i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind, different

“summed up” is word #G346 – anakephalaioó: to sum up, gather up, Original Word: ἀνακεφαλαιόω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: anakephalaioó, Phonetic Spelling: (an-ak-ef-al-ah'-ee-om-ahee), Short Definition: I sum up, summarize, recapitulate, gather up in one, Definition: I sum up, summarize, recapitulate, gather up in one

 

[LoveGodForever]

THERE YOU GO BREAKING A COMMANDMENT OF GOD.

Proverbs 30:5-6 (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.


Acts 20:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] On the first day of the week, we assembled to break bread. Paul spoke to them, and since he was about to depart the next day, he extended his message until midnight. {ONE VERY LONG SERMON}
[SUP]8 [/SUP] There were many lamps in the room upstairs where we were assembled,


1 Corinthians 16:1-2 (HCSB) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now about the collection for the saints: You should do the same as I instructed the Galatian churches.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] On the first day of the week, each of you is to set something aside and save in keeping with how he prospers, so that no collections will need to be made when I come.



John 20:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] In the evening of that first day of the week, the disciples were ⌊gathered together⌋ with the doors locked because of their fear of the Jews. Then Jesus came, stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!”


Leviticus 23:15-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “You are to count seven complete weeks starting from the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the presentation offering.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You are to count 50 days until the day after the seventh Sabbath and then present an offering of new grain to the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Bring two loaves of bread from your settlements as a presentation offering, each of them made from four quarts of fine flour, baked with yeast, as firstfruits to the LORD.


1 Corinthians 15:20 (NRSV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have died.

Romans 14:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] One person considers one day to be above another day. Someone else considers every day to be the same. Each one must be fully convinced in his own mind.

We could care less about what the Catholic Church calls Sabbath.

BUT THE EVANGELICALS, BAPTISTS, AND MOST OTHER MAINLINE CHURCHES, I CAN ASSURE YOU, WHAT I POSTED ABOVE, IS WHY WE WORSHIP ON SUNDAY. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KEEPING THE SABBATH. No one who knows what they are talking about, will tell you Sunday is the Christian Sabbath. That LIE came from Sabbeth Keepers, like Ellen White, and Catholics who know little or NOTHING about what we really teach and believe. So you can stop LYING about what we teach and believe, which is a sin; because NOW we know you have been told the TRUTH.

And yet nothing you have provided above says that God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) has now been abolished and we are now commanded to Keep Sunday as a Holy day? Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man breaking the commandments of God and the scriptures tell us that if we follow the traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow man or God?

 

[Amberlight]

Well actually we should follow Jesus (God)
If you want to be a Jew (old testament believer) you can be a jew.
For rest of us who are Christians the whole topic is irrelevant as we are not under law of Moses.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Well actually we should follow Jesus (God)
If you want to be a Jew (old testament believer) you can be a jew.
For rest of us who are Christians the whole topic is irrelevant as we are not under law of Moses.

Your salvation is between you and God. Only he who loves all can make you free to love and follow him. Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Christians are those that through faith love and follow Jesus because we are in him and he in us. The Holy Spirit is only given to those who believe his Word and obey him. He that says he knows him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him...... Do you believe God's Word?

 

[dcontroversal]

If they were never saved how were they able to do anything in His name? You must have the Holy Spirit in order for Him to manifest His power
Jesus said these signs will follow them that believe. Him knowing in this case is relationship, He knows everyone. He didn't just never know them. It's obviously deeper

They were confused because they took the power as a sign or confirmation of their salvation. Living in unrepentant sin, disqualified them.

I know many will disagree how? They believed in a Jesus, not The Jesus. Idols are easily formed. He's a king not just a brother

Think real hard about what you just said.....and then take note....

A. There is but one gospel that has power to save
B. There are numerous religions that do things in the name of JESUS every day without being saved
C. He states clearly that he NEVER KNEW THEM....not that HE knew them and they then LOST salvation.

ONE cannot be disqualified by sin....ALL sin has been paid for....SIN is not the issue FAITH is the issue....and if one believes a FALSE gospel they will not be saved....such is the case with these people....they were never saved because they trusted into self and works........while claiming to know JESUS.....as do most religions on the planet that name JESUS......

 

[dcontroversal]

Your salvation is between you and God. Only he who loves all can make you free to love and follow him. Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Christians are those that through faith love and follow Jesus because we are in him and he in us. The Holy Spirit is only given to those who believe his Word and obey him. He that says he knows him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him...... Do you believe God's Word?

No....the Holy Spirit is given unto and seals those who exercise faith.....anything beyond that is a process of growth and maturity and the direct result of the faith and salvation one already possesses in Christ!

 

[dcontroversal]

The reason as to why is given;

Get away from Me, you who practice _________.

Mat 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! Will enter into the Kingdom of YHWH, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."



“iniquity” is word # G0458 - anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459, Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law, 1a) because ignorant of it, 1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness



Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."


Somehow I think people will disagree with me, but it is written.

Wrong again.....they were never saved to begin with because of the false gospel they trusted into...a works based gospel of a different kind with NO POWER to save......

You all need to get over this misnomer of faith PLUS WORKS for or to KEEP salvation.....the gospel of salvation is believing into the death, burial and resurrection of JESUS..IT HAS ZERO to do with works.....and anyone who embellishes CHRIST and FAITH with ANYTHING VOIDS the gospel and the power thereof.........

FAITH into JESUS = SALVATION ETERNALLY

FAITH into JESUS plus ANYTHING = a gospel of a different KIND with NO POWER, DOUBLE CURSED and ALL who believe such are FOOLISH and BEWITCHED!

 

[phil36]

Your salvation is between you and God. Only he who loves all can make you free to love and follow him. Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Christians are those that through faith love and follow Jesus because we are in him and he in us. The Holy Spirit is only given to those who believe his Word and obey him. He that says he knows him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him...... Do you believe God's Word?

Above is a bad error, you make obedience a prerequisite for salvation. Yet I can't see how men and women who are spiritually dead and in darkness can obey the Law. Only Jesus could obey the law fully.

 

[dcontroversal]

That's the point, lol. Protestants think the way things are now is because God made them that way. We think the official day of worship/rest was changed by God because the law was 'done away with'. Nope. Not true.

The Catholics in their supposed greater authority than Christ are the one's who decreed that the new Sabbath day would be Sunday. And we Protestants don't know that. We just think God did away with the law and replaced it with a new law where we meet on Sunday's. Not even remotely true.

So we can't attack Messianic believers for wanting to meet and worship and rest on the 7th day because God did not decree that the church would no longer meet and worship and rest on that day. MAN decreed that.

The church in Acts met daily.....this argument for which day is moot and I am not under the law...the 7th day Sabbath does not apply to assembly capacity worship...end of story!

 

[Hizikyah]

Wrong again.....they were never saved to begin with because of the false gospel they trusted into...a works based gospel of a different kind with NO POWER to save......

You all need to get over this misnomer of faith PLUS WORKS for or to KEEP salvation.....the gospel of salvation is believing into the death, burial and resurrection of JESUS..IT HAS ZERO to do with works.....and anyone who embellishes CHRIST and FAITH with ANYTHING VOIDS the gospel and the power thereof.........

FAITH into JESUS = SALVATION ETERNALLY

FAITH into JESUS plus ANYTHING = a gospel of a different KIND with NO POWER, DOUBLE CURSED and ALL who believe such are FOOLISH and BEWITCHED!

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]



I never said who was saved or not, Im not the judge. I simply provided Scripture showing some think they are His and HE, HE gives the reason why they are rejected.

 

[Zi]

It's actually the word almost verbatim. In Acts 5:32

Above is a bad error, you make obedience a prerequisite for salvation. Yet I can't see how men and women who are spiritually dead and in darkness can obey the Law. Only Jesus could obey the law fully.

 

[dcontroversal]

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."



I never said who was saved or not, Im not the judge. I simply provided Scripture showing some think they are His and HE, HE gives the reason why they are rejected.

And I am saying you are wrong....the problem you cite is the symptom not the actual cause for rejection.....the ROOT was corrupt...they were never saved to begin with and this is why they were rejected........