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    Quote Originally Posted by loveme1 View Post
    Dear Sir, Jaumej is kind and loving with much to share with us and the ongoing behaviour is not good for anyone. I consider those being called that are people that have had interaction in some way so why throw yourself in to the mix?
    a person who is loving does not bear false witness against others. Ther Fact Your again are sticking up for a person who accuses others of things not true just amazes me,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    It starts out frozen solid, with a clear covering seal that you are instructed to lift a corner of (I always loosen two corners) in order that the steam may escape during the baking process. Otherwise, it might explode LOL


    Oh dear...now we have partially unsealed. You had to throw that in huh??

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHart View Post
    You just haven't known any true believers who left the faith. I do.
    Can you INFALLIBLY say they were TRUE believers? The disciples thought that Judas was the real deal, yet Jesus knew his heart (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11).
    I'm not a bad guy. I'm just misunderstood.

    Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHart View Post
    You just haven't known any true believers who left the faith. I do.



    Don't leave off vs. 24-26 where John then tells the believers to not leave:

    "24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

    25This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.
    26These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you."
    (1 John 2:24-26 NASB)
    so you can judge a persons heart, and know they were saved.

    it is worse than I though..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seohce View Post
    John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

    John 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be EXPOSED.

    Ephesians 5:11-18 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather EXPOSE THEM. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.

    James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.
    What is your motive for Obeying HIM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    Please try to convince PHart of this
    Here is where Jesus tells us we can regard certain people as unsaved:

    "if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector." (Matthew 18:17 NASB)
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    so you can judge a persons heart, and know they were saved.

    it is worse than I though..
    No, it's not about judging a person's heart to know if they're saved, lol:

    "44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47“Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”" (Acts 10:44-47 NASB)

    Do I need to explain it to you? I will if you're not grasping the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limey410v2 View Post
    Isn't it the other way around? Doesn't the Holy Spirit do things through us? His work through us?
    It is the Holy Spirit that works in and through us. I'm not sure that we do things through the Holy Spirit. All of the power is His. I could be wrong.
    Hideous doctrine-->Comparing the work of the Spirit to a bowl of left over lasagna and how it can be unsealed
    Satanic doctrine--->Saying Jesus cannot keep his promises and word by above hideous doctrine

    The Spirit is the Truth <---two definite articles and a "be" verb....shoots down his view....a man hears the word and acts upon it....end of story.....the Spirit in us allows us to understand the word and apply the word......comparing spiritual to spiritual
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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    Can you INFALLIBLY say they were TRUE believers? The disciples thought that Judas was the real deal, yet Jesus knew his heart (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11).
    Yes. Read my previous post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endoscopy View Post
    I am not Greek Orthodox.
    I see. I assumed. Just like I'm assuming you are in the medical profession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHart View Post
    No, it's not about judging a person's heart to know if they're saved, lol:

    "44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47“Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”" (Acts 10:44-47 NASB)

    Do I need to explain it to you? I will if you're not grasping the point.

    Lol. So some gentiles get saved, and people can see it, And this proves you can tell an individuals heart and know they are saved?


    it gets worse
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    I understand what stones is saying with that sentence.
    I might not understand what you are saying though.
    The only way I have ever won any gains in self control was by God showing me my lack and then me praying for what I lacked. The harder I tried on my own the worse it got.
    I'm not being snarky, trust me, but when you are tempted to sin do you only obey if you feel like it and only when it's easy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    Lol. So some gentiles get saved, and people can see it, And this proves you can tell an individuals heart and know they are saved?


    it gets worse
    I see that you need it explained to you. Do you want me to explain it to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHart View Post
    I see that you need it explained to you. Do you want me to explain it to you?

    explain what? You showed me a verse where people said they saw a group of people get saved, It does not say a word about individuals getting saved.

    Only God can know that, are you God?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHart View Post
    I'm not being snarky, trust me, but when you are tempted to sin do you only obey if you feel like it and only when it's easy?
    If one is this way, I would question they have the HS at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    Lol. So some gentiles get saved, and people can see it, And this proves you can tell an individuals heart and know they are saved?


    it gets worse
    Here, maybe this will help....

    15“And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. 16“And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17“Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” 18When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.” (Acts 11:15-18)

    Understand yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    If one is this way, I would question they have the HS at all.
    That's funny coming from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHart View Post
    That's funny coming from you.
    Oh? Why is that? A person who obeys only when it suits his own desires? Would you not question their salvation also?

    Or do you think they were saved, but now lost it?
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    Original Poster: Loveme1

    Dear Sir, Jaumej is kind and loving with much to share with us and the ongoing behaviour is not good for anyone. I consider those being called that are people that have had interaction in some way so
    'why throw yourself in to the mix?'[/QUOTE]

    Quote Originally Posted by loveme1 View Post
    "why throw yourself in to the mix?"
    Seriously, its looks pretty clear to me why I responded to his post - and I do not see this as,"throwing myself into the mix" and he is not referring to you as a "little cohort", so why do you even care what I have posted?

    Originally Posted by JaumeJ
    I am afraid I see, "you and your little, small, cohort" as self appointed inquisitors", and you have decided i SHOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE HERETIC.

    Please, if you cannot tolerate what people understand from the Master, do not follow them from post to post.....now for the sake of peace I shall un subscribe to this post used by 'your little group.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHart View Post
    Here, maybe this will help....

    15“And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. 16“And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” 18When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.” (Acts 11:15-18)

    Understand yet?
    You understand what the term gentiles mean?

    Show me one individual called by name who was considered saved?

    About all you can say, is the ones who spoke in tongues were saved. Yet Is this really proof one is saved?
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    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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