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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    Ive not seen you here before, so you are new to me.

    I love it when Holy Spirit tells me truth. He said that faith is substance (actuality) in heavenly realms. When Father sees it, He is drawn to it to act. Now whether you accept this or not matters not to me. I've learned that Satan hates truth and will attack it every which way possible.

    Is there such a thing as negative faith? I would think that to know God is, to know His power and then to scorn it? Would draw wrath.

    If one does not understand the difference, which dcontroversal does, then truth gets twisted in the mind.

    Do you really think that demons entrust their salvation to God? Did you leave that out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamah View Post
    Here are the different translations and at the bottom I will post the root word and other verses that show why I believe it is about obedience.

    John 3:36

    19 translations render it is “disobedience” - 6 translations render it as “unbelief”

    New International Version
    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them.

    New Living Translation
    And anyone who believes in God's Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn't obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God's angry judgment."

    English Standard Version
    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

    Berean Study Bible
    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him."

    Berean Literal Bible
    The one believing in the Son has eternal life, but the one not obeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

    New American Standard Bible
    "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

    King James Bible
    He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

    International Standard Version
    The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

    NET Bible
    The one who believes in the Son has eternal life. The one who rejects the Son will not see life, but God's wrath remains on him.

    New Heart English Bible
    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever refuses to believe in the Son won't see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    Whoever is trusting in The Son, has The Eternal Life, and whoever disobeys The Son shall not see The Life, but the anger of God shall abide upon him.”

    GOD'S WORD® Translation
    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, he will see God's constant anger."

    New American Standard 1977
    He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

    Jubilee Bible 2000
    He that believes in the Son has eternal life, and he that does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

    King James 2000 Bible
    He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him.

    American King James Version
    He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him.

    American Standard Version
    He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    He that believeth in the Son, hath life everlasting; but he that believeth not the Son, shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    Darby Bible Translation
    He that believes on the Son has life eternal, and he that is not subject to the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him.

    English Revised Version
    He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    Webster's Bible Translation
    He that believeth on the Son, hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son, shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    Weymouth New Testament
    He who believes in the Son has the Life of the Ages; he who disobeys the Son will not enter into Life, but God's anger remains upon him.

    World English Bible
    One who believes in the Son has eternal life, but one who disobeys the Son won't see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."

    Young's Literal Translation
    he who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him.'

    John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”



    does not obeyis word #544 - apeitheó: to disobey, Original Word: ἀπειθέω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: apeitheó, Phonetic Spelling: (ap-i-theh'-o), Short Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, refuse conformity.


    does not obeyis word G544 ἀπειθέω apeitheo (a-pei-the'-ō) v., 1. to disbelieve (willfully and perversely)., 2. (by direct extension) to be willfully disobedient., [from G545], KJV: not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving , Root(s): G545


    John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

    *Mosheh wrote:

    Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

    "listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

    Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
    A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

    Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey




    John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
    What is the disobedience we are talking about here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightbearer View Post
    Good post! Are you familiar with J. P. Green. I like his translation for this verse.

    The one believing into the Son has everlasting life; but the one disobeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
    (Joh 3:36 LITV-TSP)

    The word "into" is eis in the Greek. Thayer's unabridged work has it defined as follows, "εἰς, a preposition governing the accusative, and denoting entrance into, or direction and limit...."

    It is not limited to being translated to "into" but in this instance it should be. Since it is our LORD and Saviors desire. It being so much He prayed for it.

    That all may be one, as You are in Me, Father, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
    (Joh 17:21 LITV-TSP)

    Contextually He speaks of this through John throughout His Gospel.


    I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
    (Joh 15:1-6 KJV)


    Which is why this most commonly cited verse should be translated thusly.


    For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone believing into (eis) Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    (Joh 3:16 LITV-TSP)








    Disobedience is unbelief. If one has timidity and doesn't step out in faith to do what is being prompted to do, its unbelief in some form. Is this unforgivable? No, for shame and sorrow accompanies this followed by repentance. This way is a learning process.

    Rejection which is dosobedience to the command that in these days all men is to repent and turn to God. This unbelief is the disobedience that will bring the wrath of God forever.

    Now lightbearer. I know you study. Have you not seen this command? The commandment that God has not just given to Jews, but to all men?

    if one does not believe in eternal security, which is because God has reckoned all mankind dead and only alive in His offering of His Son, then all kinds of fear will remain with twisting and turning from the simple truth of the great salvation of God through the Cross of His Son ONLY!

    Then we begin true life in Him. With rewards or none in glory. But the light of the world lighting up our spirit is and always will be free.
    1Th 3:12 May the Lord greatly increase your love for each other and for all people, just as we love you.


    1Th 3:13 Then your hearts will be strong, blameless, and holy in the presence of God, who is our Father, when our Lord Jesus appears with all his saints.





    Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ2 View Post
    It seems you are professing a faith only theology, if so it would be more convincing if you were to quote verses that state such.
    Romans 4:2
    For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereofto glory; but not before God.

    Romans 14:22
    Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy ishe that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

    Romans 4:17
    (as it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

    1 Corinthians 4:5
    Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God

    Galatians 5:21
    envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    Those above do not see in appreciation and have not seen what those things are done are just not beneficial to them. But once one in belief sees this, then one agrees to leave it behind and does in time as I am an Ex-Alcoholic and Druggie over 30 years ago now, and have left other things also behind as I grow up in the grace given me to see. I get worked on from Father in risen Son one problem at a time, and he does for me what I can not do by works of self ever.

    This I now know by What Paul wrote in Gal 2:20-21

    Hebrews 11:5
    By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

    By FAiTH you all, works were done, but not his own!

    Revelation 3:2
    Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

    So remain in Faith Trust, it is done as in John 19:30, where Jesus stated it is finished. What is Finished?
    Ask that to Father personally to hear truth over error of this world

    Now as far as James goes in telling us Faith is dead without works, that is true.
    Now which works is James speaking of?

    Yours to get God pleased and save you?
    Or God's done work through you, in love and mercy to everyone, whether another is in belief or not?

    are we getting this, what turns anyone willingly to the truth, is it Love and mercy or tyranny you better or else attitudes of flesh nature?

    Work yes is involved, but it is none of mine to be praised for it. It is Father' even as the Christ said this too.

    Thank You all for being in willing belief to see or not yet













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    Quote Originally Posted by Gracie_14 View Post
    oh for goodness sake, we all sin no matter how hard we try not to. thats why we stay grounded in Christ so we could avoid slipping into sin. it doesnt mean when someone does sin, that person does not know Christ. what are you saying? because its confusing…
    ralph is pushing confusion

    just ignore him

    budman is calling him out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    I did not say you said non-believers were saved. Please read more carefully! I said you talk about non-believers as if they were saved. People who walk away from a life of religion and religious works show they were never saved to begin with.
    That reveals these were not ever saved by that denominational or non-denominational Church. For there is a lot of no truth spoken in and out of places that claim belief

    WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????

    2 Corinthians 11:10-22Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11 Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth. 12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it isno great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
    16 I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little. 17 That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. 18 Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also. 19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise. 20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face. 21 I speak as concerning reproach, as though we had been weak.
    Howbeit whereinsoever any is bold, (I speak foolishly,) I am bold also. 22 Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.


    Philippians 3:1-20Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. 3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11 if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

    17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

    Turning my boasting into humility to see the King's lead , ot mine, thank You Father for this rest given

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gracie_14 View Post
    oh for goodness sake, we all sin no matter how hard we try not to. thats why we stay grounded in Christ so we could avoid slipping into sin. it doesnt mean when someone does sin, that person does not know Christ. what are you saying? because its confusing…
    I said a bit earlier, Ralph seems to count sin and 'no works' as one & the same.
    If we were talking about a 'Licence to Sin doctrine it would be different. Is anyone here making excuses for sin?

    Or is anyone here trying their best never to do any good works?

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    It is just like Ralphie to be waiting of for the Little Orphan Annie secret decoder pen, aka ....am I saved or not..how many works do I need or which sin will sink my ship?

    Ralphie was pretty disappointed when he read the secret message.

    "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine"

    Thankfully, God doesn't keep us guessing or keep it a secret from us.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy-Pevensie View Post
    I said a bit earlier, Ralph seems to count sin and 'no works' as one & the same.
    If we were talking about a 'Licence to Sin doctrine it would be different. Is anyone here making excuses for sin?
    For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    Romans 6:14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph- View Post
    Don't be deceived into thinking your sin shows you are not trying to earn your salvation. Because it's also true that your sin shows you do not even know Christ in salvation in the first place. That's the part people are forgetting. It's right there in the Matthew 7 passage they use to show that working for your salvation won't save you. Well neither will living in a lawless disobedient life. That shows you are not born again to begin with.
    This is Biblical indeed! Not so much that they never knew Christ, but that they do not know Him enough ... Budman is trying to fit common sense into Righteousness but nothing that Jesus Christ ever said is common sense, but is revelation sense, and is complete, whereas common sense falls short. Hence the absolute need for the Holy Spirits lead in all of our thinking as we must first sense the spirit then think accordingly.

    Yet, faith must be tested and tried before it becomes real in your life. “We know that all things work together for good…” (Romans 8:28) so that no matter what happens, the transforming power of God’s providence transforms perfect faith into reality. Faith always works in a personal way, because the purpose of God is to see that perfect faith is made real in His children.

    For every detail of common sense in life, there is a truth God has revealed by which we can prove in our practical experience what we believe God to be. Faith is a tremendously active principle that always puts Jesus Christ first. The life of faith says, “Lord, You have said it, it appears to be irrational, but I’m going to step out boldly, trusting in Your Word” (for example, see Matthew 6:33).

    Turning intellectual faith (placing our minds in Christ based on spiritual guidance) into our personal possession is always a fight, not just sometimes. God brings us into particular circumstances to educate our faith, because the nature of faith is to make the object of our faith very real to us. Until we know Jesus, God is merely a concept, and we can’t have faith in Him. But once we hear Jesus say, “He who has seen Me has seen the Father” (John 14:9) we immediately have something that is real, and our faith is limitless. Faith is the entire person in the right relationship with God through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

    The root of faith is the knowledge of a Person, and one of the biggest snares is the idea that God is sure to lead us to success. At least one of the reasons why God creates man is that He in His capacity as the Creator does not Himself want to drive out a created being - Satan. Man is to do this in demonstrating God's glory of Christ's victory on the Cross. At the beginning God charged man to keep the Garden of Eden, thus indicating there was an enemy around. The dominion which He gave to man was the dominion which He formerly assigned to the archangel Lucifer who later turned himself into Satan (The devil in relationship to man).

    The Serpent was cursed to eat dust all the days of its life. As man was made of dust, so he came under the power of Satan.

    The first man Adam failed to cooperate with God. So God raised up the second man Christ to overcome Satan. The Lord Jesus redeems us, His people, by means of His death. As He Himself has done the will of the Father, so He unites all who are saved to Himself (not to a saved reformed human outside of Christ), in order that together they may exalt God, do God's will, and defeat Satan's kingdom. As we are in Christ, these form the second man who causes the will of God to be done on earth as it is done in Heaven.

    Thus, We are very active in this process we call faithful living - physically, mentally, emotionally, willfully, and personally; alongside Christ Jesus our Lord. Thus, as we are owned by God: God initiates spiritually; man involves himself in prayer and obedience; God accomplishes.

    (Ezekiel 36:26,37) gives us a great principle. God says first that He will give the house of Israel a new heart and next He says that He will be inquired of by them (prayer) to do it for them. He does it for us, by using us in obedience to Himself faithfully. If we are apart of the Kingdom of God our lives will bear its fruit.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosemaryx View Post
    I know people in my own family who believe in God, but without Jesus they have no life...John 10:30 The Father and I are one."...Jesus is our Faith, it`s all about Jesus...xox...
    Amen Rose and exactly the point.......belief in God does not equate to faith in Christ for redemption.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph- View Post
    You are the one with the cafe blend false gospel. You say you don't have to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back using at least four Biblical examples that supposedly defend that (I showed they do not), and then you say in another post that the believer will have works. I posted two different parts of our conversation that showed you defending the teaching that you do not have to have works to be saved, yet you continue to deny you said it. Which blend of gospel will we get from your next post?
    Flat truth--->you are not telling the truth....end of story....I have said 50 plus times in this thread that the saved have works, have defined these works dia the word and anyone honest who can read will easily see that your lying....all Liars will have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimestone...I suggest you check yourself, because your lies do not indicate a saved child of God

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph- View Post
    Good, let's just hope these unbelievers who have come to salvation by grace through faith, if that really happened, don't just end up being twice the son of hell.

    We, and they, will know if they really got saved by grace by how they live from here on out. If they do not change they will be showing they either did not really accept God's grace in salvation, or were taught an inaccurate gospel of God's grace that says they do not have to change as evidence of the grace they received to be saved when Jesus comes back.

    The proof is in the pudding. They will show by their lives if they really got born again or not. No proof-no salvation. Wisdom is proved right by her children-Luke 7:35.
    The more you talk the more you prove numerous things...

    a. You have no idea and or understanding of scripture
    b. You have no idea and or u derstanding of context
    c. Your deception and things you say do not indicate a son of God

    I suggest you check yourself and get right!

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    Lay your sin's at the foot of the Cross; Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe, sin had left a crimson stain He washed it white as snow."

    "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree." Galatians3:13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budman View Post
    I think it's rather simple: Grace is unmerited, and salvation is a gift. To work for either negates them both.
    Amen brother.....grace or works....the bible is clear...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderGrace View Post
    That question has been asked many times.....still waiting for the magic number
    Maybe you will get an answer...I will be waiting
    1, 2, 3, 976266362728282733 does not matter......works do not save or keep saved....they are the result of the salvation one already possesses in Christ eternally by faith.....end of story!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budman View Post
    So, God judges by a sliding scale?

    And just how many sins does one have to commit a day to be "living" in them? 5? 10? 20?

    You do realize our works are simply meant to justify us in the sight of men, they do not justify us in the sight of God because Jesus satisfied all of the requirements to save us, and to keep us saved. That's why He gets all the glory - not us.
    No....he does not realize that...he helps Jesus because his Jesus is weak and ineffectual...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Budman View Post
    Do you still sin?
    He does every day in this thread by being deceptive about what we say and twisting or embellishing what we say...his works coming out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budman View Post
    Poor Ralph has backed himself into a corner.
    He was gonna set us all straight....on what he really believes and is like....about the only thing...just sayin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph- View Post
    I am legally sinless because of Christ's righteousness deposited in my account. I am beyond the condemnation of the law because of Christ's blood that I believe in.

    AMEN


    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph- View Post
    And not only that I do not 'live in' a lawless life. If I lived in a lawless life I'd be an unbeliever. I'd be lost when Christ returns. Turns out I'm not doing that. Not gonna be lost for that reason. I'm not doing that.

    Amen and amen, He is faithful both to redeem and renew, a Gardner who knows how to nurture and produce a crop.

    you were declared righteous and justified however by His blood, as you said - and this alone is sufficient to save you from death -- "
    and not only that" is in addition to having received redemption, He is faithful also to produce renewal!

    you wouldn't be "
    lost" when He returns if there is truly "no condemnation" - why did you fear that He would not be with you? did you not believe in the righteousness He declared? will He condemn the righteous? but as you said, look, He is doing what He promised, which is more than the sufficiency of His sacrifice -- it is really good news and He is able to carry you through to completion

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    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post

    AMEN




    Amen and amen, He is faithful both to redeem and renew, a Gardner who knows how to nurture and produce a crop.

    you were declared righteous and justified however by His blood, as you said - and this alone is sufficient to save you from death -- "
    and not only that" is in addition to having received redemption, He is faithful also to produce renewal!

    you wouldn't be "
    lost" when He returns if there is truly "no condemnation" - why did you fear that He would not be with you? did you not believe in the righteousness He declared? will He condemn the righteous? but as you said, look, He is doing what He promised, which is more than the sufficiency of His sacrifice -- it is really good news and He is able to carry you through to completion
    well put


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