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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignGrace View Post
    Why is he allowed to have two accounts? His Hiz account isn't banned, iirc.
    He cannot access the other due to having forgotten a new password.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthTalk View Post
    "The whipped cream, hot fudge, nuts, and caramel are all fat free." (This is okay its the cherry on top that will ruin your diet).
    Let's blame it all on the cherry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    He cannot access the other due to having forgotten a new password.

    Thanks for answering Magenta

    wasnt ignoring you SG, was reading and didn't see.

    by the way, what does iirc mean? Also, Smh? I've been wanting to ask about this last one for a long time. Kept forgetting.
    1Th 3:12 May the Lord greatly increase your love for each other and for all people, just as we love you.


    1Th 3:13 Then your hearts will be strong, blameless, and holy in the presence of God, who is our Father, when our Lord Jesus appears with all his saints.





    Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    Thanks for answering Magenta

    wasnt ignoring you SG, was reading and didn't see.

    by the way, what does iirc mean? Also, Smh? I've been wanting to ask about this last one for a long time. Kept forgetting.
    You're welcome, stones iirc = if I recall correctly. I figured that one out just the other day LOL. Sometimes I do not know what the chat-speak means, and for the most part I cannot be bothered to look it up. smh took me the longest time to figure out (shake my head)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isny View Post
    Let's blame it all on the cherry!
    (munch)What cherry???????????
    Joefizz- king of randomness -making others laugh is his hobby.

    I'm a smart idiot that serves God and I'm determined to keep to a future I believe in and trolls don't like me.

    If you don't believe in true love then please don't tell me not to believe in it because I believe it to be real.

    You are perfect?
    self righteousness is as filthy rags the bible says.
    You might wanna reconsider that ideal.

    We are all family in God's eyes,so please at least try to get along,sincerely, a child of God.

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    Was it in chocolate?
    Quote Originally Posted by joefizz View Post
    (munch)What cherry???????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zi View Post
    Was it in chocolate?
    Why are you asking me???
    Joefizz- king of randomness -making others laugh is his hobby.

    I'm a smart idiot that serves God and I'm determined to keep to a future I believe in and trolls don't like me.

    If you don't believe in true love then please don't tell me not to believe in it because I believe it to be real.

    You are perfect?
    self righteousness is as filthy rags the bible says.
    You might wanna reconsider that ideal.

    We are all family in God's eyes,so please at least try to get along,sincerely, a child of God.

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    Apologies forget I asked
    Quote Originally Posted by joefizz View Post
    Why are you asking me???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zi View Post
    Apologies forget I asked
    Asked what?????hahaha hahaha hahaha!
    Joefizz- king of randomness -making others laugh is his hobby.

    I'm a smart idiot that serves God and I'm determined to keep to a future I believe in and trolls don't like me.

    If you don't believe in true love then please don't tell me not to believe in it because I believe it to be real.

    You are perfect?
    self righteousness is as filthy rags the bible says.
    You might wanna reconsider that ideal.

    We are all family in God's eyes,so please at least try to get along,sincerely, a child of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isny View Post
    Let's blame it all on the cherry!
    Cherry how dare you derail this thread!!!!!
    Joefizz- king of randomness -making others laugh is his hobby.

    I'm a smart idiot that serves God and I'm determined to keep to a future I believe in and trolls don't like me.

    If you don't believe in true love then please don't tell me not to believe in it because I believe it to be real.

    You are perfect?
    self righteousness is as filthy rags the bible says.
    You might wanna reconsider that ideal.

    We are all family in God's eyes,so please at least try to get along,sincerely, a child of God.

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    Exactly....
    Quote Originally Posted by joefizz View Post
    Asked what?????hahaha hahaha hahaha!

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    Happy birthday DC!!!

    Happy belated birthday Tourist!!!

    I hope you both enjoyed them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    He cannot access the other due to having forgotten a new password.
    Ya know he should have made his password “ incorrect” so that when he puts in the wrong one he would get a message “ your password is incorrect” . Problem solved. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by joefizz View Post
    You forgot about the cone or cup.
    In fairness, I can't eat the cup. The cone on the other hand...and it's fat free, too. If the cone is dipped in chocolate first, it actually takes calories away, as chocolate has caffeine in it, and caffeine speeds up the metabolism, causing it to burn off more calories.

    I need to be a nutritionist.
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    "The HS acts as a human spirit"
    Quote Originally Posted by Calmador
    "I can literally push God around."
    Quote Originally Posted by John146
    Nineveh's free will decision thwarted God's decision to destroy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    He cannot access the other due to having forgotten a new password.
    Ah! Now I C !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternally-Gratefull
    "The HS acts as a human spirit"
    Quote Originally Posted by Calmador
    "I can literally push God around."
    Quote Originally Posted by John146
    Nineveh's free will decision thwarted God's decision to destroy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laish View Post
    I think that there is someone in the PI in the Bible thread that can help you with the math .
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    This is true since the 2nd occurrence of 15 (the diameter of his plate) in Pi from the decimal point is at position 314 which are the first 3 digits of Pi minus decimal point.
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    These be the names of the mighty men whom David had: The Tachmonite that sat in the seat, chief among the captains;................................Uriah the Hittite: thirty and seven in all. (2 Samuel 23)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamah View Post
    Psalm 11:4, "יהוה is in His holy temple; יהוה throne is in heaven;His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.”


    Psalms 62:9-12, “Sons of Aḏam are but a breath, Sons of men are a lie; If weighed in the scales, They are altogether lighter than breath. Do not trust in oppression. And do not become vain in robbery; If riches increase, Do not set your heart on them. The Mighty One has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That strength belongs to Yah. And loving-commitment is Yours, O יהוה; For You reward each one according to his work.”


    John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done* righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced* evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”


    *done” is word #G4160 ποιέω poieo (poi-ye'-ō) v., to make or do.
    {in a very wide application, more or less direct; properly refers to a single act thus differing from G4238}, [apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary], Compare: G4238


    *practiced” G4238 πράσσω prasso (pras'-sō) v., 1. to practice, i.e. perform repeatedly or habitually., 2. (by implication) to execute, accomplish, etc., 3. (specially) to collect (dues), fare (personally)., {differing from G4160, which properly refers to a single act}, [a primary verb], KJV: commit, deeds, do, exact, keep, require, use arts, Compare: G4160


    1 John/Yahanan 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."


    1 John/Yahanan 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."


    1 John/Yahanan3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


    Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."


    Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."


    Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."


    Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”


    Matt 13:41-43, "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear."


    2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”


    judgment seat” is word #G968 - béma: a step, raised place, by impl. A tribunal, Original Word: βῆμα, ατος, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: béma, Phonetic Spelling: (bay'-ma), Short Definition: the space covered by a step of the foot, a tribunal, Definition: an elevated place ascended by steps, a throne, tribunal.


    John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

    *Mosheh wrote:

    Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

    "listen" is word #8085 -
    שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

    Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
    A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

    Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey



    John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


    2 John/Yahanan 1:9, "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of the Messiah, does not have Yah. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."


    John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
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    Jeremiah 9:23-26, “Thus said יהוה, “Let not the wise boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty boast in his might, nor let the rich boast in his riches, but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am יהוה, doing loving-commitment, judgment, and righteousness in the earth. For in these I delight,” declares יהוה, “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall punish all circumcised with the uncircumcised; Mitsrayim, and Yehuḏah, and Eḏom, and the children of Ammon, and Mo’aḇ, and all those trimmed on the edges, who dwell in the wilderness. For all the nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Yisra’ĕl are uncircumcised in heart!”



    Isaiah 40:28, "Did you not know? Have you not heard? The everlasting Strength, יהוה, the Creator of the ends of the earth, neither faints nor is weary. His understanding is unsearchable."

    Isaiah 60:16, "“And you shall suck the milk of the nations, and shall suckle the breast of sovereigns. And you shall know that
    I,
    יהוה, your Savior and your Redeemer, am the Mighty One of Ya‛aqoḇ."

    Psalm 68:19, "Blessed be
    יהוה, Day by day He bears our burden, The Strength of our salvation! Selah."
    Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zi View Post
    Happy birthday DC!!!

    Happy belated birthday Tourist!!!

    I hope you both enjoyed them
    Thanks Zi.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ2 View Post
    To "trust" something but not act upon it is a abstract thought, without reward or purpose.
    To trust in an act (water baptism) as the means of your salvation and not exclusively in the "something" (Christ's finished work of redemption) renders "trust" misguided and in vain. Eternal life/Salvation is a free gift and not a reward (Romans 5:15-18; 6:23; Ephesians 2:8).

    It is not until we act on that trust do we see the benefit of that trust.
    That is just your way of saying we are saved through faith + works. You are confusing the fruit with the root. Faith is the root of salvation and acts/works which follow are the fruit. We see the benefit of our trust in Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation the moment that we place our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Christ alone for salvation prior to "acting" on our trust "as you refer to it" by getting water baptized (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5 etc..).

    Example: A student may trust his parents check will cover his tuition bill, but unless he does the work of depositing the check he will not reap the benefit of that trust.
    Your logical fallacy misses the mark. We trust in Christ by choosing to believe the gospel and there is no work that we must accomplish afterwards in order to reap the benefit (eternal life) of that trust. You demonstrate your lack of trust in Christ by trusting in works for salvation.

    Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

    1 Corinthians 1:21 - For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. When will you believe?

    Believing that the gospel is simply believing the gospel is wrong.
    Believing the gospel is simply believing the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-suffcient means of our salvation. You demonstrate that you don't believe the gospel through your desperate effort to try and "shoe horn" water baptism "into" salvation through faith/believing the gospel. You believe a "different" gospel of salvation by "water and works."

    We must knock on that door and not just trust that the door will open. Knocking on the door is a work/effort but not one of merit. This is the error in your thinking.
    More faulty human logic. Are you alluding to Revelation 3:20? Jesus said, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me." Jesus IS the door.. If anyone enters by Him, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture (John 10:9). You are always trying to create an analogy that justifies being saved by an unmerited work, which is an oxymoron.

    Jesus trusted the Father in all He did but to fulfill His ministry He had to be water baptized.
    This act of baptism was a necessary part of Jesus fulfilling all righteousness (water baptism is a work of righteousness and we are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done - Titus 3:5). Christ secured our righteousness which is imputed to those who believe in Him/place faith in Christ for salvation (Romans 4:5-6; Philippians 3:9).

    There was no merit in submitting to be baptized by John but the act was necessary.
    The act of submitting to being water baptized was necessary for Jesus to fulfill all righteousness, but the act of submitting to being water baptized is not the necessary means of our salvation. We are saved through faith in Christ, not water baptism.

    Fight this if you wish but you are fighting the obvious.
    It's you who continues to fight the obvious. You are unable to see anything beyond your church of Christ indoctrination.
    I'm not a bad guy. I'm just misunderstood.

    Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicken_Brent View Post
    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    Belief is belief.
    Belief isnt obedience and belief isnt servitude.

    Honestly as a new believer it can be quite frustrating to see people trying to tie in works all the time.

    If youre so eager to be judged by your works then why dont you.
    You hit the nail on the head! Belief is belief and obedience which follows is works, yet works-salvationists insist on trying to "shoe" horn "obedience/works" into belief and basically define belief as obedience/works.

    While growing up in the Roman Catholic church, that is the same error I was taught. I was recently in a discussion with a Roman Catholic and here is what he erroneously had to say about faith:

    We ARE saved by faith - as long as you properly define "Faith". Faith is NOT simply "believing". Faith INCLUDES: Being baptized, eating His body and drinking His blood/partaking the Lord's Supper during Mass, works of mercy and charity, obeying his commandments, doing the will of the Father etc..

    As you can see, his argument about faith being "defined as" and INCLUDES these works above equates to salvation through faith (his version of faith) + WORKS. This is the same error that ALL unbelievers from various false religions and cults make. It's the same error that I made as well, "prior to my conversion."
    I'm not a bad guy. I'm just misunderstood.

    Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

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