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    Quote Originally Posted by mj007 View Post
    Dude you never offend me, and it is very hard to offend me. People who are offended easily tend to always be on the defence or counter-attack, always needing the last word. And yes I have my weak moments, but it tends to come out in one go.

    Just understand how you are a part of God's plan to bring peace to others, to plant love where there isn't any, to try and uplift the broken. We can all stop and realise, that our time can be spent sharing a kind word or two, making someone smile, rather than wasting it on our emotions, our weak moments. We all have our struggles, for me probably the biggest challenge is doing the job of two people, my job is insane. But the last two weeks have been overly different from any other. That started when I decided, you know what, I'm going to get up in the morning, and the first thing I am going to do, is talk to God. What I mean by that is I write it down. While people might seeing praying as talking to God, I see praying as more, being still, and focusing on God, and being grateful, becoming aware of myself and my thoughts.

    Here is probably the most beautiful thing he said to me recently:

    I am the voice of Jesus. I am the moon and the stars. I am all that is alive, and all things are alive. But in what form they take, or who uses that form, while it is a part of me, and I am the creator; I draw them close to me, I do not draw them apart from me. And that is the difference between man and I. For I see, what you do not see, and can never see. But a man must see, and while he may think that he is drawing something close to me, if it is not by my divine instruction to do so, then he does not see that he is drawing something away from me. In good faith, you come closer to me, and you do not question that which you do not see, you listen and you accept, and my work is done, even if you could not see how.
    i can relate

    i speak to God throughout my day
    sometimes just a quick "sorry" for a thought

    sometimes "thank you" for whats going on

    or requests for help in myself

    for Him to lead me and not allow me to act in my flesh

    i get you


    im happy i didnt offend you
    i agree about thin skin.... its not a good trait

    much better to be longsuffering like the heavenly Father

    but i just want to add

    this thread is specifically about giving thanks to Jesus our savior for His sacrifice

    and knocking down false doctrines that add to His work
    or take from it

    its different to speak of walking in the spirit
    or the fruits of the spirit

    these things are huge
    thats also a very important topic

    but when people start saying

    "its up to what you do to keep salvation as a born again Christian"

    thats a false doctrine

    and thats all im here to speak against

    because thats the false gospel God delivered me from

    and im grateful

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    When you understand the word hypocrisy it might help your argument....and I never said what you imply....take NOTE 007.....did I say that or imply that....will you highlight what he said as false or just continue to show your partiality....doesn't James speak about partial judgment.......You guys like James so much.....
    And you are so HYPOCRITE, ARROGANT, IGNORANT, DECEIPTFUL, A MOCKER, INSULTER,ABUSER, A LIAR, WHICH ONLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOTHING BUT SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE SAVED BUT STILL WALK IN DARKNESS. A REAL "ZOMBIE" IN DISGUISE.

    Sorry for the boldness but here's what the bible tells us:

    Romans 12:9-21 Love Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. Share with God’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality. Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
    We sin everyday.

    This is a big claim. It is a claim that there is no such thing as being pure, undefiled
    at any point outside 24hrs.

    But unfortunately the same people are often saying something else.
    They believe we are always sinners, we are never cleansed and made Holy,
    rather they believe we are innately evil.

    Now Jesus came to become a man to show this theology is wrong.
    Jesus was without sin. Sin is not innate within a human, but unrepentended
    sin defiles the person. So a murderer is a murderer in Gods eyes until they
    repent and accept Gods forgiveness through the cross.

    People are so locked into un-repented sin, they do not know what it means to
    be completely forgiven.

    The only reason Paul could say Gods people were Holy because they have been purified
    and cleansed. But for people who do not believe this or experience it, no wonder they
    testify that they are caught without freedom, even to the extent of unbelief by saying
    tomorrow they will sin. This is pure unbelief in Christ and His forgiveness.
    Is it a big claim or is it just an acknowledgement that we do? Every genuine believer will wake up in the morning in the morning and pray " Jesus help me to be like you"

    Yet also genuine belevers will wake up knowing that they will sin.

    Why would that be?
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    "And you are so HYPOCRITE, ARROGANT, IGNORANT, DECEIPTFUL, A MOCKER, INSULTER,ABUSER, A LIAR, WHICH ONLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOTHING BUT SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE SAVED BUT STILL WALK IN DARKNESS. A REAL "ZOMBIE" IN DISGUISE. "
    From a few posts above.

    I have not been to the BDF in about a year.
    Glad to see nothings changed.
    Just reaffirms my faith in this forum.
    I will try again in another year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephsDreams View Post
    "And you are so HYPOCRITE, ARROGANT, IGNORANT, DECEIPTFUL, A MOCKER, INSULTER,ABUSER, A LIAR, WHICH ONLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOTHING BUT SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE SAVED BUT STILL WALK IN DARKNESS. A REAL "ZOMBIE" IN DISGUISE. "
    From a few posts above.

    I have not been to the BDF in about a year.
    Glad to see nothings changed.
    Just reaffirms my faith in this forum.
    I will try again in another year.
    hey joey

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    (ooohhhh by the way

    peas are gross)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElAmor View Post
    And you are so DECEIPTFUL,
    Whoops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph- View Post
    I sin, but I do not live in sin. I am not a hypocrite.
    You're testifying of yourself. That Day before God will reveal the truth of the matter, not your grandstanding and boasting. Your track record on here seems to tell another tale via your bearing false witness against many with zero repentance on your part.
    People are offended that God is God.

    Oh, my brethren! bold-hearted men are always called mean-spirited by cowards. - Charles Spurgeon

    Open Theism and Molinism, two inept theological camps, do err in this sense; God doesn't have an R&D department, He does all things perfectly.

    A god who can be fashioned by our own thoughts is no more a god than an image produced by our own hands. - Charles Spurgeon


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    Quote Originally Posted by ElAmor View Post
    And you are so HYPOCRITE, ARROGANT, IGNORANT, DECEIPTFUL, A MOCKER, INSULTER,ABUSER, A LIAR, WHICH ONLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOTHING BUT SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE SAVED BUT STILL WALK IN DARKNESS. A REAL "ZOMBIE" IN DISGUISE.

    Sorry for the boldness but here's what the bible tells us:

    Romans 12:9-21 Love Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. Share with God’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality. Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    And you are so HYPOCRITE, ARROGANT, IGNORANT, DECEIPTFUL, A MOCKER, INSULTER,ABUSER, A LIAR, WHICH ONLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOTHING BUT SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE SAVED BUT STILL WALK IN DARKNESS. A REAL "ZOMBIE" IN DISGUISE.
    Wow, just Wow.

    How un-christlike. Whatever happened to discussion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
    hey joey

    glad to see ya

    lol

    we are gonna get to that 55k with these guest appearences







    (ooohhhh by the way

    peas are gross)
    Hahahaha !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElAmor View Post
    And you are so HYPOCRITE, ARROGANT, IGNORANT, DECEIPTFUL, A MOCKER, INSULTER,ABUSER, A LIAR, WHICH ONLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOTHING BUT SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE SAVED BUT STILL WALK IN DARKNESS. A REAL "ZOMBIE" IN DISGUISE.

    Sorry for the boldness but here's what the bible tells us:

    Romans 12:9-21 Love Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. Share with God’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality. Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    Deary deary me.
    You stand in judgement over another.

    Yet you do so based on not knowing the heart of another.

    This from a person who I asked

    Do you disobey God?

    To witch you said "I won't answer that until NMM until he answered to"

    When he did you responded with something along the lines off

    "I don't deliberately sin, if did there is no covering for it, yet if I sin without knowing I sin then it's covered"

    Sin is sin.
    Lord

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endoscopy View Post
    True faith!! How do we know true faith? ​WORKS!!!
    BY HIS LOVE THAT HE HAS PUT IN US. Rom. 5:5. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ' 1 John 3:1-2 (GW) 1 Consider this: [b]The Father has given us his love. He loves us so much that we are actually called God's dear children. And that's what we are. For this reason the world doesn't recognize us, and it didn't recognize him either. 2 Dear friends, now we are God's children. What we will be isn't completely clear yet. We do know that when Christ appears we will be like him because we will see him as he is. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' 1 John 3:16-18 (HCSB) 16 This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers. 17 If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋—how can God’s love reside in him? 18 Little children, we must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' 1 John 4:17 (GW) 17 God's love has reached its goal in us. So we look ahead with confidence to the day of judgment. While we are in this world, we are exactly like him {with regard to love}. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' 1 John 4:19-21 (HCSB) 19 We love because He first loved us. 20 If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For the person who does not love his brother he has seen cannot love the God he has not seen. 21 And we have this command from Him: The one who loves God must also love his brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElAmor View Post
    And you are so HYPOCRITE, ARROGANT, IGNORANT, DECEIPTFUL, A MOCKER, INSULTER,ABUSER, A LIAR, WHICH ONLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOTHING BUT SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE SAVED BUT STILL WALK IN DARKNESS. A REAL "ZOMBIE" IN DISGUISE.

    Sorry for the boldness but here's what the bible tells us:

    Romans 12:9-21 Love Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. Share with God’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality. Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    How ironic that you post Scripture on Christian behavior towards others then completely disobey it yourself in the very same post. Sorry for my boldness.
    People are offended that God is God.

    Oh, my brethren! bold-hearted men are always called mean-spirited by cowards. - Charles Spurgeon

    Open Theism and Molinism, two inept theological camps, do err in this sense; God doesn't have an R&D department, He does all things perfectly.

    A god who can be fashioned by our own thoughts is no more a god than an image produced by our own hands. - Charles Spurgeon


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    So proof of salvation to others is only known through - works?

    Praise God that only He knows our hearts/souls. And guess what, He is the only one who counts.
    "To err is human; to forgive divine."

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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    How ironic that you post Scripture on Christian behavior towards others then completely disobey it yourself in the very same post. Sorry for my boldness.
    You have nothing to be sorry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    Deary deary me. You stand in judgement over another. Yet you do so based on not knowing the heart of another. This from a person who I asked Do you disobey God? To witch you said "I won't answer that until NMM until he answered to" When he did you responded with something along the lines off "I don't deliberately sin, if did there is no covering for it, yet if I sin without knowing I sin then it's covered" Sin is sin.
    Is this "run all the words together", a glitch that only effects us in the USA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by star View Post
    So proof of salvation to others is only known through - works?

    Praise God that only He knows our hearts/souls. And guess what, He is the only one who counts.
    It always gets me how people take comfort that "God knows our hearts."
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    People are offended that God is God.

    Oh, my brethren! bold-hearted men are always called mean-spirited by cowards. - Charles Spurgeon

    Open Theism and Molinism, two inept theological camps, do err in this sense; God doesn't have an R&D department, He does all things perfectly.

    A god who can be fashioned by our own thoughts is no more a god than an image produced by our own hands. - Charles Spurgeon


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    Quote Originally Posted by star View Post
    Wow, just Wow.

    How un-christlike. Whatever happened to discussion?
    Did you see the difference with what was said and the posted scripture below?

    IT IS ONE THING TO SAY AND CLAIM AND ANOTHER THING TO DO AND WALK THE TALK.

    Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

    New International Version 1984 1 Corinthians 4:1-21 Apostles of Christ So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not? Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have become kings—and that without us! How I wish that you really had become kings so that we might be kings with you! For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like men condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to men. We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored! To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless. We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; when we are slandered, we answer kindly. Up to this moment we have become the scum of the earth, the refuse of the world. I am not writing this to shame you, but to warn you, as my dear children. Even though you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. Therefore I urge you to imitate me. For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church. Some of you have become arrogant, as if I were not coming to you. But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. What do you prefer? Shall I come to you with a whip, or in love and with a gentle spirit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    Deary deary me.
    You stand in judgement over another.

    Yet you do so based on not knowing the heart of another.

    This from a person who I asked

    Do you disobey God?

    To witch you said "I won't answer that until NMM until he answered to"

    When he did you responded with something along the lines off

    "I don't deliberately sin, if did there is no covering for it, yet if I sin without knowing I sin then it's covered"

    Sin is sin.
    Just to clarify

    When NMM responded ELA'S response to me and not NNM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    It always gets me how people take comfort that "God knows our hearts."
    God knows the heart of a person.

    We only have to look at David, Peter to see this.

    Thank goodness he sees the heart
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    Deary deary me.
    You stand in judgement over another.

    Yet you do so based on not knowing the heart of another.

    This from a person who I asked

    Do you disobey God?

    To witch you said "I won't answer that until NMM until he answered to"

    When he did you responded with something along the lines off

    "I don't deliberately sin, if did there is no covering for it, yet if I sin without knowing I sin then it's covered"

    Sin is sin.
    It's nice to see your group mocking me for posting something usually done here in CC yet noone among you dared to call him out for such name callings and abuse of posters whose aim is to share God's words giving more weight and glory to it than anybody else's words. And by the way, maybe you can clarify or just make it a bit closer to what I said in my reply to you regarding your last question to me. Here's for you friend:

    New International Version 1984 Luke 6:27-46 Love for Enemies “But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you. “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ lend to ‘sinners,’ expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Judging Others “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” He also told them this parable: “Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. A Tree and Its Fruit “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. The Wise and Foolish Builders “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

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