Not By Works

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Susanna

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Your just hanging around to get that 55k post.

Ok peeps.

Who is gonna post the 55k post?

What's the prize?
The pace of this thread is gonna land the post 55k before midnight:p.
 
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You see, decontroversal, if you people really believed this you would not be trying to justify the fruitless, worksless life. You would know that God's people are changed, even if it means Him beating you over the head with all kinds of trials to get you to change.

If you were a real believer, and God was doing this, because you were a real believer, you would know that true believers can not live in their old lives because God would see to it through suffering that you be changed. Instead we see so many Christians today justifying sin in the Christian with a 'salvation is not by works, and you can't lose your salvation' argument. But if they were really saved and belonged to the Lord they'd know you can't be saved and live the life you people are defending here, one of living in sin and justifying it with a 'salvation is not by works, and you can't lose your salvation' argument.

Works do matter to salvation. They show you belong to the Lord and are saved. No works means you are a bastard son and do not belong to him and so he has no obligation to chastise you and push you into growing up. Not growing up and not changing shows He is not your heavenly Father.
That is quite enough Ralph,who are you to determine who is suffering or not suffering?
Being "Saved" doesn't mean we "don't suffer" in fact it's what is part of "Serving God/Jesus" many of us "suffer" from "Conviction" and "Memories" and it's because of such suffering that we seek God/Jesus each day though we do so when he has blessed us greatly,and "suffering" is "different" for us all.
You may see say people like Dcontroversal as "not suffering" but you "don't know" and to be "glad" and "bold" in "telling that we are saved through Jesus and "nothing or noone else" is "right" to do,for who being saved will "clasp their mouth shut"?
Who having the Holy Spirit will not be "convicted" through it?
I tell you as Jesus said concerning Caesar "render unto God what is God's" and in this case "render unto man what is man's" it is not your "God given mission" to "get people to change" so leave such things "to God" speak of Jesus,of course,speak of God,of course,but don't "inflict yourself with suffering" or "others" when it "isn't yours to be doing".
Our main mission as Christians is to...
Spread God's word and tell of our Lord and Saviour Jesus and how that through him one can be saved,our "main suffering" is in the "tough to face truth" that God/Jesus "doesn't need us" we are to be but humble servants yet we have "so little" to actually "do" action wise,sure we can "stress ourselves out" over a sin or simply apologize for a sin but as it is written"he who is born again in Christ is a new creature the old is gone the new is come" so that means "we are new" not needing to "worry about" our "old selves" instead "Trust God/Jesus" and "let him guide us" not "convict ourselves" for after all there is but "one true judge" and we "are not worthy to judge","guiding one's self only leads back to one's self".
Being led of the spirit leads to "righteousness" and "serving God/Jesus humbly".
 
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The pace of this thread is gonna land the post 55k before midnight:p.
That being the case it ain't gonna be me. Cause I'm going to bed now.

Ha but I have a plan.

I have a proxy post.

Night night peeps.

God bless you all.

He loves us as much as loves Jesus.
And that's the truth.
 
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It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE....NO WATER/WORKS mentioned

He that believes on the son is having everlasting life....No WATER/WORKS mentioned

In the grace you are having been saved out of faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of GOD and not of works lest any man should boast.....No WATER/WORKS mentioned

We conclude a man is justified by faith without works....No WATER/WORKS mentioned

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us.....No WATER/WORKS mentioned

Abraham believed God and it was put to his account for righteousness...No WATER/WORKS mentioned

David described the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness without the deeds of the law....no WATER/WORKS mentioned

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosever believes in HIM should not perish, but is having everlasting life...No WATER/WORKS mentioned

They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." ...No WATER/WORKS mentioned

But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul. ....NO WATER/WORKS mentioned

And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace." ..NO WATER/WORKS mentioned

For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. ...NO WATER/WORKS mentioned

That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; .....No WATER/WORKS mentioned

For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith......No WTRE/WORKS mentioned

so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. ....NO WATER/WORKS mentioned

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life......No WATER/WORKS mentioned

"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." ...NO WATER/WORKS mentioned

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, ...NO WATER/WORKS mentioned

but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name...No WATER/WORKS mentioned

"Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins." ...NO WATER/WORKS mentioned

And Jesus seeing their faith said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven." ...NO WATER/WORKS MENTIONED

Seeing their faith, He said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven you." ...NO WATER/WORKS MENTIONED

But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth...NO WATER/WORKS MENTIONED

obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls...NO WATER/WORKS MENTIONED
 
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That being the case it ain't gonna be me. Cause I'm going to bed now.

Ha but I have a plan.

I have a proxy post.

Night night peeps.

God bless you all.

He loves us as much as loves Jesus.
And that's the truth.
Proxy posts ain't eligible.

Lol.
 
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Obedience is to believe what God says, which is true humility.
The above statement is the most opened ended statement one could make.
Obedience is to do God will, to follow in His ways, to be an ambassador of His presence here one earth.

What many people mean by obedience it to believe what God says, is just to believe Jesus is the Christ.
Obedience to the sermon on the mount is rejected as legalism, which is why God declares them as liars.

How easily people excuse sin. You know they are excusing it because the very thing that shows it up,
the law, they avoid talking about or even looking at. It is also why the apostles had no problem with
the law because they obeyed it by loving their neighbor. It is this so many are hiding in the darkness,
this ability to love or lack of it. If this was not the issue, they would not create contorted ways to
not be condemned by the law and claim it is satan who is condemning them.

No matter how spiritual anyone believes themselves to be, God will find them out.

Wonder why David was righteous who meditated on Gods law and ideas. This is our example and
Gods will.
 
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I have a question for those of you who promote a works based salvation , or as Ralph put it " if when Jesus comes back , you dont have any works , then you weren't saved "

If , you died tonight , and stood at Heavens door , and God asked you , why should I let you in ?
What would your answer be ?
 

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I have a question for those of you who promote a works based salvation , or as Ralph put it " if when Jesus comes back , you dont have any works , then you weren't saved "

If , you died tonight , and stood at Heavens door , and God asked you , why should I let you in ?
What would your answer be ?
WE KNOW ALREADY....JESUS told us about it already....Lord, Lord have we not done many wonderful works in your name..........we know the end result of this path.............not good for those who trust works.....
 

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STILL NO ONE HAS REALIZED WHY ELAMOR EXPOSED THE COMMON BEHAVIOUR IN THIS THREAD.

AS I SEE IT, HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO SEE WHAT WILL THE REACTIONS BE IF HE WILL DO THAT TO SOMEONE WHO DOES THE SAME THING AND I REALIZED GOD DID SOMETHING TO REVEAL A MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH.

PRIOR TO ELAMOR’S POST HE MENTIONED THAT THOSE WHO REJECT THE LAW ARE THE ANTICHRIST (PARAPHRASED) SINCE THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS TESTIFIED/PROPHESIED ABOUT THE LORD AS COMING IN THE FLESH.

WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERY ORGANIZATIONS OR GROUPS FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS AND HERE IN CHRISTIAN CHAT WE ALSO ADHERE TO THEM OR ELSE WE GET BANNED.

I ASKED MYSELF WHY THESE SELF PROFESSED CHRISTIANS WITH SOME EVEN CLAIMING TO BE PREACHERS ARE OBEYING MAN MADE RULES TO THE POINT OF MOCKING AND CONDEMNING THE PERSON WHO VIOLATED SUCH RULES, YET REJECTS GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT OBEDIENCE IS A WORK THAT CANNOT SAVE THEM AND WHATEVER DISOBEDIENCE THEY MAY DO WON’T AFFECT THEIR SALVATION BECAUSE “ONCE SAVED IS ALWAYS SAVED".

1 John 4:1-6 Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.”

Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once MADE PERFECT, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION for all who OBEY him

James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was MADE COMPLETE by what he did.

Hebrews 10:15-16,28-29 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

THOSE WHO REPORTED ELAMOR TO THE MODS FOLLOW MAN MADE RULES SO I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT THEY OBEY GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDS EVEN BETTER OTHERWISE THE BIBLE TELLS US WHO THEY REALLY ARE.h
 

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WE KNOW ALREADY....JESUS told us about it already....Lord, Lord have we not done many wonderful works in your name..........we know the end result of this path.............not good for those who trust works.....
We know , but I was curious as to what they would say , since God requirement is PERFECTION , how they would answer
 

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STILL NO ONE HAS REALIZED WHY ELAMOR EXPOSED THE COMMON BEHAVIOUR IN THIS THREAD.
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AS I SEE IT, HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO SEE WHAT WILL THE REACTIONS BE IF HE WILL DO THAT TO SOMEONE WHO DOES THE SAME THING AND I REALIZED GOD DID SOMETHING TO REVEAL A MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH.

PRIOR TO ELAMOR’S POST HE MENTIONED THAT THOSE WHO REJECT THE LAW ARE THE ANTICHRIST (PARAPHRASED) SINCE THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS TESTIFIED/PROPHESIED ABOUT THE LORD AS COMING IN THE FLESH.

WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERY ORGANIZATIONS OR GROUPS FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS AND HERE IN CHRISTIAN CHAT WE ALSO ADHERE TO THEM OR ELSE WE GET BANNED.

I ASKED MYSELF WHY THESE SELF PROFESSED CHRISTIANS WITH SOME EVEN CLAIMING TO BE PREACHERS ARE OBEYING MAN MADE RULES TO THE POINT OF MOCKING AND CONDEMNING THE PERSON WHO VIOLATED SUCH RULES, YET REJECTS GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT OBEDIENCE IS A WORK THAT CANNOT SAVE THEM AND WHATEVER DISOBEDIENCE THEY MAY DO WON’T AFFECT THEIR SALVATION BECAUSE “ONCE SAVED IS ALWAYS SAVED".

1 John 4:1-6 Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.”

Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once MADE PERFECT, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION for all who OBEY him

James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was MADE COMPLETE by what he did.

Hebrews 10:15-16,28-29 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

THOSE WHO REPORTED ELAMOR TO THE MODS FOLLOW MAN MADE RULES SO I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT THEY OBEY GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDS EVEN BETTER OTHERWISE THE BIBLE TELLS US WHO THEY REALLY ARE.h
 
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STILL NO ONE HAS REALIZED WHY ELAMOR EXPOSED THE COMMON BEHAVIOUR IN THIS THREAD.

AS I SEE IT, HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO SEE WHAT WILL THE REACTIONS BE IF HE WILL DO THAT TO SOMEONE WHO DOES THE SAME THING AND I REALIZED GOD DID SOMETHING TO REVEAL A MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH.

PRIOR TO ELAMOR’S POST HE MENTIONED THAT THOSE WHO REJECT THE LAW ARE THE ANTICHRIST (PARAPHRASED) SINCE THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS TESTIFIED/PROPHESIED ABOUT THE LORD AS COMING IN THE FLESH.

WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERY ORGANIZATIONS OR GROUPS FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS AND HERE IN CHRISTIAN CHAT WE ALSO ADHERE TO THEM OR ELSE WE GET BANNED.

I ASKED MYSELF WHY THESE SELF PROFESSED CHRISTIANS WITH SOME EVEN CLAIMING TO BE PREACHERS ARE OBEYING MAN MADE RULES TO THE POINT OF MOCKING AND CONDEMNING THE PERSON WHO VIOLATED SUCH RULES, YET REJECTS GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT OBEDIENCE IS A WORK THAT CANNOT SAVE THEM AND WHATEVER DISOBEDIENCE THEY MAY DO WON’T AFFECT THEIR SALVATION BECAUSE “ONCE SAVED IS ALWAYS SAVED".

1 John 4:1-6 Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.”

Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once MADE PERFECT, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION for all who OBEY him

James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was MADE COMPLETE by what he did.

Hebrews 10:15-16,28-29 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

THOSE WHO REPORTED ELAMOR TO THE MODS FOLLOW MAN MADE RULES SO I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT THEY OBEY GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDS EVEN BETTER OTHERWISE THE BIBLE TELLS US WHO THEY REALLY ARE.h
The funny thing about this post....he directed all the heat at me and I never reported him....what does that say about your post....I bet you thought I did hey......imagine that!
 
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IT'S FUNNY AND INTERESTING THAT YOU AND ELAMOR BOTH USE CAPS LOCKS.

and then turn it off after initially typing with it on.

...and that you rush in to defend him.

...and that you both have the same flag for your avatar.

...and that you know he's been reported.
 
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IT'S FUNNY AND INTERESTING THAT YOU AND ELAMOR BOTH USE CAPS LOCKS.

and then turn it off after initially typing with it on.

...and that you rush in to defend him.
And from the same country yet not listed as friends on CC.................................................................just saying
 
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And from the same country yet not listed as friends on CC.................................................................just saying
Careful, we're from the same state, rumors will fly. The only proof we're not the same person is that I'm much better looking. And more intelligenter. :D
 
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Careful, we're from the same state, rumors will fly. The only proof we're not the same person is that I'm much better looking. And more intelligenter. :D
Hilarious.........dang..........I was told that when I was born the doctor slapped my momma.....HAHAHHA I guess that was true....... ;)