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    Quote Originally Posted by Speak2Me View Post
    I'd question the salvation of anybody whose thing seems to always be fighting, mocking, name calling, and ganging up on others.
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    Those who claim to walk in the Spirit have better things to do.
    Speaking of, I should go to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbigailZeke View Post
    Assumption is wrong, Ralph.
    You can't have it both ways. That's why it's impossible to talk to you people. You say the person living in sin is not born again, then you turn right around and say some believers are still living in sin.
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    If I was a judge of this debate I would sentence all of you involved in the debate "Go and find out what this means: I will have Mercy and not sacrifice." Wen you came back with your sentence fulfilled, would expect you to have forgiven your enemies and praying for them as the fruit of Mercy. But neither am I there fully but in part and am not your judge. "There is One lawgiver who is able to save and destroy, fear Him." The fear of God is admiration worship: To be like Him. We quarrel in our understanding rather than being in Him and are in danger of dead works. Even if we don't believe we can ad anything to the work of God doesn't mean we are abiding in Him: Leaning on our understanding is deceitful. This person may think they are believing but are not doing the will of the Father. Some who believe they are safe are not, and some who don't believe they are safe, are trusting Christ from the heart and are safe. So doesn't mater what side of the debate your on you could still be right or wrong. Should I go on, It would only mean "To go on to know the Lord," what we are all to do, and some call it work some call it Grace either way, "This is the work of God, to believe," in a new identity in Christ.
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    Hmm....... This sounds familiar.

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    I'm not a bad guy. I'm just misunderstood.

    Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    Hmm....... This sounds familiar.

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    It ought to.

    It's one of your favorite devices.
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    54........
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
    Romans
    Chapter 4

    1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

    2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

    3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

    4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

    5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

    7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

    8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

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    ephesians 2


    7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

    12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

    13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ

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    Philippians 3

    1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.

    2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

    3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

    4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

    5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

    6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

    7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

    8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

    9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

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    romans 8
    18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

    19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

    20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

    21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

    22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

    23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

    24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

    25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.


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    1 John 3
    3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

    2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

    4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

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    19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

    20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

    22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

    23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


    25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

    26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

    29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

    30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.


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    imputed righteousness in a nutshell


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    Well, y'all missed the mark. Thread over.
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    there is more than one timezone tommy

    we got this....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
    there is more than one timezone tommy

    we got this....
    The only true time zone is EST. We can argue this in the King James Bible thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph- View Post
    I'm producing the fruit of the kingdom through faith in Christ, not through my own power (that's impossible to do). Aren't you?

    Are you the fourth type of soil in the parable of the sower? I hope you are, but are you?
    and there's your reward...
    1Th 3:12 May the Lord greatly increase your love for each other and for all people, just as we love you.


    1Th 3:13 Then your hearts will be strong, blameless, and holy in the presence of God, who is our Father, when our Lord Jesus appears with all his saints.





    Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph- View Post
    No, I'm challenging the church's doctrine that says a 'believer' can live in a homosexual relationship, be a drunkard, look at pornographic content, love the world, etc. and they can be saved because salvation is not by works, and once you are saved you can not lose your salvation.

    I've been saying if you think that and live like that you show that you are not saved. John said it, not me. But for some reason the church has decided that he is wrong.



    Thank you for coming right out and saying it! I mean that. Thank you!

    The problem with this new grace doctrine is it makes John a liar. He said the person who lives in sin is not born again. Didn't you know this?
    What kind of churches do you attend? I've never been in a church that didn't preach against sin and give altar calls.
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    1Th 3:12 May the Lord greatly increase your love for each other and for all people, just as we love you.


    1Th 3:13 Then your hearts will be strong, blameless, and holy in the presence of God, who is our Father, when our Lord Jesus appears with all his saints.





    Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might.

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    We all agree that Jesus is eternally secure, and that we need to be found in Him to be in the resurrection.
    And those who go on in sin know that they are in trouble and it's not wise to tell them they are eternally secure.
    "Let us therefore fear, lest a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we who have believed do enter into rest."
    This rest, is a place of maturity that those who think they are secure as they are, may find themselves short of, not having invested their whole life in the will of God.
    "Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God, lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble’s you and thereby many be defiled.” "Let him that is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house: neither him in the field return back to take his clothes." Not to take things in our hands again: not to return to old identity.
    It would be better for you not to have been born that to return to your vomit.
    Not talking about stumbling and getting up again, I still stumble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbigailZeke View Post
    I will admit. I am impressed by the way your mind works and how you even relate:

    "is it ok to live in sin" as equal to "you're saved by the blood of Jesus"

    It seems we have a long way to go here, dcon.
    What kind of works does someone claiming to be saved will possibly have if he/she don't have good works? As they say that a saved person will produce fruit, can bad fruits/works be acceptable or worthy of God's acceptance? No fruit is proof of no Spirit or dead Faith.(james 2:26) A "WALKING DEAD",

    Matthew 25:23-30 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ “Then the man who had received the one talent came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’ “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. “‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

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    There is a meaning of Born of God that helps to understand, even though we are not saved by understanding and can't lean on our understanding.
    To be borne of God as carried by God. Its explained in Isaiah 46:4 refers to being borne of God even to old age.
    Meaning that it's fair to say that those who were not borne of God until the end were not born of God. "They went out from us because they were not of us."
    Just like Israel was borne of God but not all were saved but the ones who continued to walk in the Light they had. Am quite aware that very few would entertain that "We are saved if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast until the end."
    I compliment you Ralph for standing against opposition, without compromising, I was influenced somewhat but has helped me gain insight on entering into rest where work is no longer work and also on people saying the same thing differently and that understanding is not what we believe. Jesus is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speak2Me View Post
    I'd question the salvation of anybody whose thing seems to always be fighting, mocking, name calling, and ganging up on others.

    Those who claim to walk in the Spirit have better things to do.
    Speak,this has happened on both sides of the belief system here both sides being a bit mocking or ganging up somewhat,the problem really is "Vanity" as David's son the "Preacher" said "all is vanity" so what must we remember to do?
    Trust God and resist witty remarks and underhanded tactics that we still "might think to do" through our "Pride" the Truth is in the eye of the beholder for many religions and denominations but God willing this back and forth discussion might have a prudent conclusion.
    And naturally this discussion has lasted for years now because...
    The Truth is simple yet complex,wise yet confounding,concerning the subject of this thread after all we are talking about Eternal Salvation,Life after death,Heaven,what worth are our efforts,how to receive salvation,if we can lose it,if we can get it of our own doing,if we must have works when Jesus returns or merely be Vigilant of his return and be ready,all in one subject and thread,it's been the subject of many questions and subject to many answers,and why?
    Because it is one of the most important if not the most important thing to discuss "Salvation" with or without works and if they save instead of Jesus or if Jesus through us accepting him as Saviour wholly saves.
    God I am but your servant to command have your holy spirit have me speak truth!
    If you don't believe in true love then please don't tell me not to believe in it because I believe it to be real.
    Jesus your sacrifice is worth more than everyone's works.
    satan ye vile tempter seek me as your target and I'll be waiting with a bible in hand,a song in my heart,and truth ringing in your ears forever.
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