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BillG said:
Does not salvation define works?
Or are we saying the same thing
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Jesus was very clear.....those who have believed (exercised faith into his work) have already done the works of the Heavenly Father...........................this truthful concept is flat ignored on a regular basis.....
 
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heartofdavid

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dcontroversal said:
And hardly anyone uses the 1611 version....I use a King Jimmy, but I look every word up in Greek and Hebrew.....no matter how one refuses to acknowledge the truth....the King James is a translation, transliteration and there are SOME words that are not translated correctly......for example.......In Galatians 1:6-7 the word ANOTHER is translated twice...once in verse 6 and once in verse 7.......two different words, two different meanings yet translated the same....

vs. 6 Heteros <----of a different kind
vs. 7 Allos <-----of the same kind

The Galatian brothers were being taught a gospel of a DIFFERENT KIND which was not the SAME KIND PAUL preached and this book forever settles in my mind the gospel of a DIFFERENT KIND which has NO power to save..........all who preach it are DOUBLE CURSED by PAUL and he calls them fools for believing it..........

I found one PSALM in my studies that has a word translated the same 3 times in the first two or so verses....and ALL three words are different words with different meanings......

Going to the original languages has really set me free and opened my eyes to many truths that get glossed over by the translations of men........

anyway...peace....and I know I came down hard on you the other day.....I tend to get very emphatic and my defense of the truth is fully set.....I apologize for my attitude, but not my stance.
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You get all those likes for getting it WRONG.

LOOK IT UP PEOPLE.
HE GOT IT TOTALLY WRONG
 
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BillG said:
I've started using Swiftkey on my iPad.

I need be careful to check. Some weird words get added and some note.

Always best to read besides Payne.

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I have a love hate relationship with my SwiftKey keyboard. It both helps and hinders.
 
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BillG

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heartofdavid said:
You get all those likes for getting it WRONG.

LOOK IT UP PEOPLE.
HE GOT IT TOTALLY WRONG
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Galatians 1:6-7
No Other Gospel
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

Different

g2087. ἕτερος heteros; of uncertain affinity; (an-, the) other or different: — altered, else, next (day), one, (an-)other, some, strange.
AV (99) - another 43, other 42, other thing 3, some 2, next day 2, misc 7;
the other, another, otherto numberto number as opposed to some former person or thingthe other of two
to qualityanother: i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind, different

Another.

g0243. ἄλλος allos; a primary word; “else,” i.e. different (in many applications): — more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise).
AV (160) - other(s) 81, another 62, some 11, one 4, misc 2;
another, other

Why is DC wrong?
 
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joefizz said:
Speak,this has happened on both sides of the belief system here both sides being a bit mocking or ganging up somewhat,the problem really is "Vanity" as David's son the "Preacher" said "all is vanity" so what must we remember to do?
Trust God and resist witty remarks and underhanded tactics that we still "might think to do" through our "Pride" the Truth is in the eye of the beholder for many religions and denominations but God willing this back and forth discussion might have a prudent conclusion.
And naturally this discussion has lasted for years now because...
The Truth is simple yet complex,wise yet confounding,concerning the subject of this thread after all we are talking about Eternal Salvation,Life after death,Heaven,what worth are our efforts,how to receive salvation,if we can lose it,if we can get it of our own doing,if we must have works when Jesus returns or merely be Vigilant of his return and be ready,all in one subject and thread,it's been the subject of many questions and subject to many answers,and why?
Because it is one of the most important if not the most important thing to discuss "Salvation" with or without works and if they save instead of Jesus or if Jesus through us accepting him as Saviour wholly saves.
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It's done this way for the truth is difficult to overcome. So the fighting, name calling, & mocking continues.
 
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BillG said:
Galatians 1:6-7
No Other Gospel
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

Different

g2087. ἕτερος heteros; of uncertain affinity; (an-, the) other or different: — altered, else, next (day), one, (an-)other, some, strange.
AV (99) - another 43, other 42, other thing 3, some 2, next day 2, misc 7;
the other, another, otherto numberto number as opposed to some former person or thingthe other of two
to qualityanother: i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind, different

Another.

g0243. ἄλλος allos; a primary word; “else,” i.e. different (in many applications): — more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise).
AV (160) - other(s) 81, another 62, some 11, one 4, misc 2;
another, other

Why is DC wrong?
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Nobody is wrong here. Only the people that are against us are wrong.
 
dcontroversal

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BillG said:
Galatians 1:6-7
No Other Gospel
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

Different

g2087. ἕτερος heteros; of uncertain affinity; (an-, the) other or different: — altered, else, next (day), one, (an-)other, some, strange.
AV (99) - another 43, other 42, other thing 3, some 2, next day 2, misc 7;
the other, another, otherto numberto number as opposed to some former person or thingthe other of two
to qualityanother: i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind, different

Another.

g0243. ἄλλος allos; a primary word; “else,” i.e. different (in many applications): — more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise).
AV (160) - other(s) 81, another 62, some 11, one 4, misc 2;
another, other

Why is DC wrong?
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Some people just need to flap their lips I guess.....what I posted was correct.....regardless of his diatribe
 
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BillG said:
Galatians 1:6-7
No Other Gospel
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

Different

g2087. ἕτερος heteros; of uncertain affinity; (an-, the) other or different: — altered, else, next (day), one, (an-)other, some, strange.
AV (99) - another 43, other 42, other thing 3, some 2, next day 2, misc 7;
the other, another, otherto numberto number as opposed to some former person or thingthe other of two
to qualityanother: i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind, different

Another.

g0243. ἄλλος allos; a primary word; “else,” i.e. different (in many applications): — more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise).
AV (160) - other(s) 81, another 62, some 11, one 4, misc 2;
another, other

Why is DC wrong?
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Read your own post
It EASILY TRANSLATES "ANOTHER"
 
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heartofdavid said:
Read your own post
It EASILY TRANSLATES "ANOTHER"
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What I posted was correct....regardless of your mouthy response....both words are different and carry two entirely different applications above and beyond "another"

How about post something of value instead of attacking a truthful post based upon the LANGUAGE the N.T. was written in.....
 
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I have found over and over folks saying " in the greek it says...."
I pull out my textus receptus interlinear.
So many times they are wrong
 
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heartofdavid said:
I have found over and over folks saying " in the greek it says...."
I pull out my textus receptus interlinear.
So many times they are wrong
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So what.......and that proves nothing in this particular instance........and the bolded makes you right.....not hardly.......that is like using the King James to check the King JAMES.........brilliant
 
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BillG said:
So is it not another gospel, different from the one that Paul taught?

Mind you not that there is another Gospel.
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Again,read your own post.
It easily translates another.
The other words used work also.
Dc said kjv got it wrong.
Pssst,that implies ANOTHER DOES NOT WORK.
....IT DOES
 
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dcontroversal said:
So what.......and that proves nothing in this particular instance........and the bolded makes you right.....not hardly.......that is like using the King James to check the King JAMES.........brilliant
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You said " another" was wrong.
You were wrong
Even bills post proved you were wrong
" another" does work there perfectly
 
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heartofdavid said:
Again,read your own post.
It easily translates another.
The other words used work also.
Dc said kjv got it wrong.
Pssst,that implies ANOTHER DOES NOT WORK.
....IT DOES
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Sure it got it wrong......let us apply this in a simple way that maybe you can GRASP

YOU are talking to BILL which is not BILL....................yeah that makes sense
Another which is not another............yep ANOTHER one that makes sense

Why do you think the KING JIMMY translators refused to translate the words correctly?

AHHHHHH now we are getting to the root....BECAUSE the TEXT refutes ANGLICAN dogma as FALSE

a GOSPEL of a DIFFERENT KIND which is NOT THE SAME KIND <------now that makes sense and REFUTES ALL gospels that BLEND FAITH and works/LAW to finish off salvation
 
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heartofdavid said:
Again,read your own post.
It easily translates another.
The other words used work also.
Dc said kjv got it wrong.
Pssst,that implies ANOTHER DOES NOT WORK.
....IT DOES
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Sorry I'm confused
 
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