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    SIDE NOTE....another school shooting......pray for the wounded and those affected.....tragic.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by valleyofdecision View Post
    Just because you say churches he describes are not seen or witnessed by you does not mean they do not exist.

    We have many free grace churches in Texas, that probably are more along the line of universalist, but still free grace churches are usually the huge mega churches, that happen to also preach the tithe so they can keep 85 pastors on staff and 100 more support staff with full salary and benefits.

    I would suggest we stop calling it free grace and call it perverted grace or the Harlot church that will sleep with anyone for money.

    These harlot churches pervert the true message of grace and teach all about God, but never mention Jesus Christ. When a church never mentions Jesus Christ, you know without a doubt it is a harlot perverted grace church.

    I think you and others make really good points, but lets not go overboard and suggest what another posters says about perverted grace and harlot churches is not true, solely because you or others have not seen or experienced them.

    perverted grace messages are all over Christian TV right now, its all the relevant rage today.
    In 1932 the hierarchy of the Presbyterian USA was taken over by secular people. This is documented in the book Crossed Fingers by GaryNorth. While there are still some churches in the denomination that preach Jesus they are in a small minority. The same goes for each of the other 6 major protestant denominations. Each major denomination has sub denominations that are still committed to Christ. Presbyterian PCA and Missouri Synod Lutheran for example. As I mentioned on this site before, I talked to a man that attended a Lutheran church and heard the gospel message for the first time in that evening service with a social time after. It gets harder to find a Christ centered church these days. You visit several to find one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    SIDE NOTE....another school shooting......pray for the wounded and those affected.....tragic.....
    I just saw that on TV while I was at the gym. During my 4 years in High School from 1980-1984 I can't remember hearing about any school shootings and I've already heard about 4 school shootings just this year and it's only February! I will absolutely pray for the wounded and those affected. Tragic indeed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    I just saw that on TV while I was at the gym. During my 4 years in High School from 1980-1984 I can't remember hearing about any school shootings and I've already heard about 4 school shootings just this year and it's only February! I will absolutely pray for the wounded and those affected. Tragic indeed!
    Now saying many dead.......tragic........idiocy at it's worst
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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    I just saw that on TV while I was at the gym. During my 4 years in High School from 1980-1984 I can't remember hearing about any school shootings and I've already heard about 4 school shootings just this year and it's only February! I will absolutely pray for the wounded and those affected. Tragic indeed!
    As always these shootings occur in gun free zones. That means it takes a cop to stop it. Takes time for cops to respond!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endoscopy View Post
    In 1932 the hierarchy of the Presbyterian USA was taken over by secular people. This is documented in the book Crossed Fingers by GaryNorth. While there are still some churches in the denomination that preach Jesus they are in a small minority. The same goes for each of the other 6 major protestant denominations. Each major denomination has sub denominations that are still committed to Christ. Presbyterian PCA and Missouri Synod Lutheran for example. As I mentioned on this site before, I talked to a man that attended a Lutheran church and heard the gospel message for the first time in that evening service with a social time after. It gets harder to find a Christ centered church these days. You visit several to find one.
    A perverted grace church will also never talk about the following:

    Conviction
    The Holy Spirit
    Anything to do with the shed Blood or Blood Of Jesus
    SIN
    Living in SIN
    Hell

    Most have rock N Roll style rock concerts they call worship, with dark sanctuary's and light shows and fog machines.

    They use occult terminology to describe their services such as:
    Gathering/s
    Experience/s
    Enchanting worship
    Spiritual readings
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Now saying many dead.......tragic........idiocy at it's worst
    Did they catch/kill the shooter yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by valleyofdecision View Post
    Did they catch/kill the shooter yet?
    YES in custody----> one of the students, and numerous fatalities including at least 1 teacher....
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    Quote Originally Posted by valleyofdecision View Post
    A perverted grace church will also never talk about the following:

    Conviction
    The Holy Spirit
    Anything to do with the shed Blood or Blood Of Jesus
    SIN
    Living in SIN
    Hell

    Most have rock N Roll style rock concerts they call worship, with dark sanctuary's and light shows and fog machines.

    They use occult terminology to describe their services such as:
    Gathering/s
    Experience/s
    Enchanting worship
    Spiritual readings
    I call it.....give the dog a bone and Burger King Theology.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by valleyofdecision View Post
    Did they catch/kill the shooter yet?
    Yes, 20 wounded...can't tell yet fatalities. Just looked.
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    1Th 3:12 May the Lord greatly increase your love for each other and for all people, just as we love you.


    1Th 3:13 Then your hearts will be strong, blameless, and holy in the presence of God, who is our Father, when our Lord Jesus appears with all his saints.





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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    YES in custody----> one of the students, and numerous fatalities including at least 1 teacher....
    CBS...which did you hear from?
    1Th 3:12 May the Lord greatly increase your love for each other and for all people, just as we love you.


    1Th 3:13 Then your hearts will be strong, blameless, and holy in the presence of God, who is our Father, when our Lord Jesus appears with all his saints.





    Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    CBS...which did you hear from?
    Fox news live

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    Sadly you are right. A former student is what they are thinking. He's on the way to the hospital.
    1Th 3:12 May the Lord greatly increase your love for each other and for all people, just as we love you.


    1Th 3:13 Then your hearts will be strong, blameless, and holy in the presence of God, who is our Father, when our Lord Jesus appears with all his saints.





    Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    YES in custody----> one of the students, and numerous fatalities including at least 1 teacher....
    One of the news outlets said the shooter was a terrorist, and that Homeland Security/CIA has taken over and relieved the FBI and ATF , but using them to establish the cordon.

    Wonder if this is linked to the attempted Gate attack at NSA HQ in Maryland today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valleyofdecision View Post
    One of the news outlets said the shooter was a terrorist, and that Homeland Security/CIA has taken over and relieved the FBI and ATF , but using them to establish the cordon.

    Wonder if this is linked to the attempted Gate attack at NSA HQ in Maryland today?
    Yeah I don't know....showing him being taken to hospital right now.....all I know is I have my view about what should be done if proven guilty.............back when criminals paid the price there was less crime and for sure they would never do it again........and I am sure you what I am thinking.....
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    I remember when I watched Jesus of Nazerath (U.S version)

    I remember one scene. A Jewish revolt that led to the death of a Roman soldier
    As he arrived at the scene and saw the soldier he fell on his knees, held the soldier, as he held the soldier as he weeped.

    Jesus may we weep today as you have done.
    Just give us a insight of the pain you had for others when you walked the earth, whether they believed in you or not.

    Holy Spirit come in the midst of this.
    We pray for the devastated in this.
    I pray that in their devastation they will call out to you.
    And as they do that you will answer.

    Oh Father we ask that you will somehow work in this.

    Jesus I ask this in your name.
    Lord

    Help me to be the person my dog thinks I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katy-follower View Post
    Who are you challenging?!? I don't know of any believer that supports or promotes this, so not sure where you're getting this from?

    Sin is sin, but there is a difference between a sinful lifestyle and a sinful temptation, and I think this is where the confusion is.

    The scripture that comes to mind...

    1 Cor 6:9-11: Do you not know that the unrighteous (non believers) will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you (believers). But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God"

    The ones involved in/"living in" such sinful lifestyles are non believers, lost in the world, who have not been convicted of their sins yet. It says "And such were some of you" as in some believers used to be involved in those lifestyles before they became new creatures in Christ. They don't go back to that life.

    As for believers, we are not sinless, because while we have these bodies we will always struggle with the sin nature. So believers will occasionally fail, whether they have a wrongful thought or get angry. Still wrong, but this is not the same as living in a sinful lifestyle. A believer does not go back to life as a thief, or back to a homosexual lifestyle, for example.


    Romans 7:14-25:

    "For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

    I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin"
    New International Version 1984 1 Corinthians 5:6-13 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth. I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

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    You know....humanity without Christ will implode, explode and I am convinced if left to their wiles and Jesus did not step in the last two men would kill each other at the same time......the world does not need the Dr. Spocks, shows like the View and or all of the reality fairy tales.......what it needs is JESUS and faith............................................. ...................................serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Yeah I don't know....showing him being taken to hospital right now.....all I know is I have my view about what should be done if proven guilty.............back when criminals paid the price there was less crime and for sure they would never do it again........and I am sure you what I am thinking.....
    Not the total cause, but certainly part of the cause is bullying by other kids. We should put school bully's on a offenders register like we do for sexual predators.

    Our daughter was bullied by the same boy from K until 6th grade. he tried it in 7th grade and she front kicked him right in the chin and knocked his butt on the ground. He needed 6 stitches in his chin and He never bothered her again.

    School administration tried to take it out on me and I looked at all of them and said, we told you for 6 years she was a victim of this kid, but his dad's wallet is thicker than mine so he got a pass. I do not suspect you will be harassing us anymore, right!?!?!

    When the other parents showed up, the Dad got mouthy and threatening us with legal action and I said, your lucky, had she done what I taught her the first time, he would not be talking any more in this life. My Girl showed him mercy, now if you feel froggy, jump!

    They moved away shortly after and put his sonny boy in a private school. We found out a year ago the kid is now serving time in prison for rape and assault of several college girls at his local college.

    I bet his mamma suffers at the hands of his daddy, that how male bully's learn it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valleyofdecision View Post
    Not the total cause, but certainly part of the cause is bullying by other kids. We should put school bully's on a offenders register like we do for sexual predators.

    Our daughter was bullied by the same boy from K until 6th grade. he tried it in 7th grade and she front kicked him right in the chin and knocked his butt on the ground. He needed 6 stitches in his chin and He never bothered again.

    School administration tried to take it out on me and I looked at all of them and said, we told you for 6 years she was a victim of this kid, but his dad's wallet is thicker than mine so he got a pass. I do not suspect you will be harassing us anymore, right!?!?!

    When the other parents showed up, the Dad got mouthy and threatening us with legal action and I said, your lucky, had she done what I taught her the first time, he would not be talking any more in this life. My Girl showed him mercy, now if you feel froggy, jump!

    They moved away shortly after and put his sonny boy in a private school. We found out a year ago the kid is now serving time in prison for rape and assault of several college girls at his local college.
    I hear ya.....I got my rear smoked when I was a kid for doing wrong...today with all of the Dr. Spockisms and no right to discipline a child we see a generation coming online with no morality and or conscience.....God speaks to this....he speaks by the hand of Paul concerning the end and how it will be...very perilous ties, lovers of self, no self control and children that are disobedient......etc.......
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