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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_ladybug View Post
    And it's a little creepy to keep posting pictures of babies.. :/
    Deliver Us From Evil (2006)

    Amy Berg's "sometimes sickening but vitally relevant" documentary focuses on now-defrocked priest Oliver O'Grady, who admitted to molesting roughly 25 boys and girls in California from the late 1970s to 1991. After seven years in jail, he was deported to Ireland in 2000. The film's "most disturbing element," says Desson Thompson in The Washington Post, is Berg's interview with O'Grady in Dublin; the "remorseless child molester" is "ambling freely among schoolchildren as he recounts his patterns of abuse with almost cheery glee."

    Church official implicated:
    Cardinal Roger Mahony, Archbishop of Los Angeles

    2. The Boys of St. Vincent (1992) [WARNING: partial nudity]

    Dramatizing real-life sexual and physical abuses of boys at a Christian Brothers orphanage in Newfoundland, this film focuses on 10-year-old orphan Kevin Reevey and Brother Peter Lavin (Henry Czerny), the sadistic pedophile who heads the orphanage. The "emotionally devastating" story is told with "a matter-of-factness that gives it the solid credibility of a documentary," says Janet Maslin in The New York Times. It's all the more "shocking," and powerful, says Jeannette Sloniowski at the Museum of Broadcast Communications, because it "asks the audience to understand Lavin, and even gives the audience his point of view as he molests Kevin."

    Church officials implicated:
    The Christian Brothers at Mount Cashel Orphanage and the Newfoundland diocese


    3. Hand of God
    (2006, shown on PBS's Frontline in
    2007)

    Exposing the effects of child-molestation on a family, filmmaker Joe Cultrera tells the story of his brother Paul's investigation into the Boston archdiocese's mishandling of his accused molester, Fr. Joseph Birmingham. The sometimes "florid" film is a "stinging denunciation of the Catholic Church," says New York Times TV critic Alessandra Stanley, but "it's also a celebration of the family that survived the ordeal," especially Paul's parents, who "revered the church but loved their children more."

    Church official implicated:
    Bishop John McCormack of Manchester, NH; Cardinal Bernard Law, former Archbishop of Boston


    4. Sex Crimes of the Vatican
    (
    2006)

    This Irish documentary takes direct aim at Pope Benedict XVI, charging that he covered up scores of sexual abuse cases during his 20 years as Vatican doctrine enforcer under Pope John Paul II. It further claims that a secret 1962 Vatican document, "Crimen Sollicitationis," ordered bishops to enforce silence in sex abuse matters. The BBC-produced documentary is narrated by advocate Colm O'Gorman, who was raped at age 14 by notorious Irish priest Sean Fortune.

    Church officials implicated: Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI; retired Bishop Brendan Comiskey of Fern, Ireland


    5. Twist of Faith
    (
    2004) [WARNING: graphic language]

    Toledo firefighter Tony Comes began actively dealing with his adolescent sexual abuse after he and his young family moved into a house that, coincidentally, was five doors down from the home of his alleged abuser, former priest Dennis Gray. As Comes' lawsuit against Gray drags on, an increasingly bitter Comes comes unglued, says Matthew Gilbert in The Boston Globe. But this Academy-Award-nominated film "is about scars, not about erasing them." Much of the footage was shot by the Comes family themselves with camcorders supplied by filmmaker Kirby Dick.

    Church official implicated:
    Bishop James Hoffman of Toledo (d. 2003)
    5 most damning films about Catholic child abuse


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    Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
    Matt 18:3

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    My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
    Why are you so far from saving me,
    so far from my cries of anguish?
    2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
    by night, but I find no rest.[b]
    3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
    you are the one Israel praises.[c]
    4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
    they trusted and you delivered them.
    5 To you they cried out and were saved;
    in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
    6 But I am a worm and not a man,
    scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
    7 All who see me mock me;
    they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
    8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
    “let the Lord rescue him.
    Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”
    9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
    you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
    10 From birth I was cast on you;
    from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
    11 Do not be far from me,
    for trouble is near
    and there is no one to help.
    12 Many bulls surround me;
    strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
    13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
    open their mouths wide against me.
    14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
    My heart has turned to wax;
    it has melted within me.
    15 My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
    and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
    you lay me in the dust of death.
    16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
    17 All my bones are on display;
    people stare and gloat over me.
    18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.
    19 But you, Lord, do not be far from me.
    You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
    20 Deliver me from the sword,
    my precious life from the power of the dogs.
    21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
    save me from the horns of the wild oxen.
    22 I will declare your name to my people;
    in the assembly I will praise you.
    23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
    All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
    Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
    24 For he has not despised or scorned
    the suffering of the afflicted one;
    he has not hidden his face from him
    but has listened to his cry for help.
    25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
    before those who fear you[f] I will fulfill my vows.
    26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
    those who seek the Lord will praise him—
    may your hearts live forever!
    27 All the ends of the earth
    will remember and turn to the Lord,
    and all the families of the nations
    will bow down before him,
    28 for dominion belongs to the Lord
    and he rules over the nations.
    29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
    all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
    those who cannot keep themselves alive.
    30 Posterity will serve him;
    future generations will be told about the Lord.
    31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
    declaring to a people yet unborn:
    He has done it!
    Psalm 22
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    "He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 cor 15:57

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    That's right Fran, you are not nice at all, really, though you want to pretend you are. And you just made yourself out to be a liar as well.

    Those with ears to hear are people Jesus mentioned occasionally. If you do not see and hear what people are saying, perhaps you fall outside the category of having ears to hear and eyes to see. There are people who think they are Christian and yet are not saved, being religious but lost. One of the reasons people stand against the RCC is because that institution is infamous for perverting the revealed written Word of God, and leading people astray. Coming to a PROTESTANT site as you have, to promote and defend their teachings, was not a wise move on your part, Fran. If you want to promote the Word of God, that is one thing, but to defend the heresies of that wicked cruel and adulterous whore does not go down well. This is not to say we do not love our brothers and sisters who are still trapped by the snares that insidious institution has laid for them to keep them enslaved. Catholic guilt is a well known phenomena, being a major facet of some movies, even.
    Let's see:

    1. I'm not nice.

    2. I'm a liar.

    3. I'm a fake.

    4. I don't have ears to hear.

    5. I don't have eyes to see.

    6. I'm not Christian.

    7. I'm religious.

    8. I'm lost.

    9. The RCC leads people astry. (everyone who attends that Church is lost. YOU as god, have spoken again)

    10. I'm not wise.

    11. I promote and defend Catholic teaching. (when I've said many times I don't even agree with them or am Catholic -- but you know best.

    12. Oooh. Too long, so I copied and am pasting...defend the heresies of that wicked cruel and adulterous whore does not go down well. (YOU do not go down well)

    13. You love your Catholic brothers and Sisters. Like you love me???? LOL

    14. Another insult for the RCC that is too long. I copied and pasted, AGAIN...trapped by the snares that insidious institution has laid for them to keep them enslaved.

    15. Catholic guilt is shown in movies. (do you ever watch movies that take the name of Jesus in vain?)



    Yes Ma'am. YOU are a really nice and loving person. it shows.


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    Peter, what part of the bible do you usually read the most? I usually try Proverbs, Psalms, and Matthew through John.





    Quote Originally Posted by pottersclay View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
    this thread is more hostile and silly than it is helpful at this point .... heres a question for the cake takers (works earn salvation)
    AND those who believe they have fire insurance... a lets sin get out of hell free card (faith without works)


    if it dont apply let it fly
    this aint for true lovers of God


    if you have faith
    which creates works in you
    someone spikes your water with drugs
    leaves you open to demonic influence, so much so you fall into fornication with a vile woman or man who offends you to the point you push them...
    they fall crack their head and die
    you go to run but not being sober lose your footing fall and die too (crazy scenerio i know i know)

    where do you go?

    heaven or hell
    Hi NoNameMcgee

    This is my first response to one of your posts.

    Its good to see here and look forward to chewing the cud with you.

    In response to your above post I will say in heaven. On the assumption the person is a genuine believer and follower and places his life and trust in him.

    What I have found is those who believe salvation = faith + works often quite extreme examples like yours.
    We here what if a beleivers goes and murders or robs a bank or is a fornicator and so, it's always the extreme.

    Firsly I say your scenario is different in that his drink was spiked, so he did not willingly take drugs. This happened to me once and I tell you the truth if it were not by the grace of God I would not be tying this now.

    Secondly the focus is on the big things that are external in its outworking.

    I can't figure out why people post extremes on the basis that they are a believer (not that you have done that above)

    Its ok posting the biggies to back up ones doctrine but to me that focus is wrong.

    Jesus said

    Matthew 22:37-40


    Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

    We often forget that when we stand before Jesus he is going to judge on this

    Matthew 25:34-40
    Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
    “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

    To me if a persons places genuine saving faith in Christ then we seek to follow the two commands he gave, allowing the Holy Spirit to conform us to the image of Christ.

    Jesus even takes it further and says

    Matthew 5:44
    But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,

    As we do on judgement day Jesus is gonna say "good and faithful servant"

    Before anyone jumps on me says "so it's ok for a believer to the biggies and still be saved? I am not saying that at all.

    A genuine believer would not do that.
    Lord

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    Deliver Us From Evil (2006)

    Amy Berg's "sometimes sickening but vitally relevant" documentary focuses on now-defrocked priest Oliver O'Grady, who admitted to molesting roughly 25 boys and girls in California from the late 1970s to 1991. After seven years in jail, he was deported to Ireland in 2000. The film's "most disturbing element," says Desson Thompson in The Washington Post, is Berg's interview with O'Grady in Dublin; the "remorseless child molester" is "ambling freely among schoolchildren as he recounts his patterns of abuse with almost cheery glee."

    Church official implicated:
    Cardinal Roger Mahony, Archbishop of Los Angeles

    2. The Boys of St. Vincent (1992) [WARNING: partial nudity]

    Dramatizing real-life sexual and physical abuses of boys at a Christian Brothers orphanage in Newfoundland, this film focuses on 10-year-old orphan Kevin Reevey and Brother Peter Lavin (Henry Czerny), the sadistic pedophile who heads the orphanage. The "emotionally devastating" story is told with "a matter-of-factness that gives it the solid credibility of a documentary," says Janet Maslin in The New York Times. It's all the more "shocking," and powerful, says Jeannette Sloniowski at the Museum of Broadcast Communications, because it "asks the audience to understand Lavin, and even gives the audience his point of view as he molests Kevin."

    Church officials implicated:
    The Christian Brothers at Mount Cashel Orphanage and the Newfoundland diocese


    3. Hand of God
    (2006, shown on PBS's Frontline in
    2007)

    Exposing the effects of child-molestation on a family, filmmaker Joe Cultrera tells the story of his brother Paul's investigation into the Boston archdiocese's mishandling of his accused molester, Fr. Joseph Birmingham. The sometimes "florid" film is a "stinging denunciation of the Catholic Church," says New York Times TV critic Alessandra Stanley, but "it's also a celebration of the family that survived the ordeal," especially Paul's parents, who "revered the church but loved their children more."

    Church official implicated:
    Bishop John McCormack of Manchester, NH; Cardinal Bernard Law, former Archbishop of Boston


    4. Sex Crimes of the Vatican
    (
    2006)

    This Irish documentary takes direct aim at Pope Benedict XVI, charging that he covered up scores of sexual abuse cases during his 20 years as Vatican doctrine enforcer under Pope John Paul II. It further claims that a secret 1962 Vatican document, "Crimen Sollicitationis," ordered bishops to enforce silence in sex abuse matters. The BBC-produced documentary is narrated by advocate Colm O'Gorman, who was raped at age 14 by notorious Irish priest Sean Fortune.

    Church officials implicated: Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI; retired Bishop Brendan Comiskey of Fern, Ireland


    5. Twist of Faith
    (
    2004) [WARNING: graphic language]

    Toledo firefighter Tony Comes began actively dealing with his adolescent sexual abuse after he and his young family moved into a house that, coincidentally, was five doors down from the home of his alleged abuser, former priest Dennis Gray. As Comes' lawsuit against Gray drags on, an increasingly bitter Comes comes unglued, says Matthew Gilbert in The Boston Globe. But this Academy-Award-nominated film "is about scars, not about erasing them." Much of the footage was shot by the Comes family themselves with camcorders supplied by filmmaker Kirby Dick.

    Church official implicated:
    Bishop James Hoffman of Toledo (d. 2003)
    5 most damning films about Catholic child abuse
    Every Protestant pastor is PERFECT.



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    ONLY GOD IS PERFECT.


    Quote Originally Posted by FranC View Post
    Every Protestant pastor is PERFECT.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pottersclay View Post
    Blue_ladybug is innocent, as we know in scripture " all people who like orange tabbies are innocent."

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    Blue just for you.
    Lord

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranC View Post
    Every Protestant pastor is PERFECT.
    Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


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    Orange kitties. Woo hoo..


    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    Blue just for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pottersclay View Post
    Blue_ladybug is innocent, as we know in scripture " all people who like orange tabbies are innocent."

    Quote Originally Posted by TruthTalk View Post

    I love "Orange Tabbies" , God created the world and then, "Orange Tabbies" .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_ladybug View Post
    I never know where to begin reading. I usually just close my eyes, open the bible and point to a verse..lol

    I'd like to get a chronological bible.
    Blue,
    You don't need to spend money buying a chronological bible. Any bible is good --- just read it in chronological order!

    This is, BTW, a VERY good idea. And when you read the gospels of Mathew through John, try to pay attention to what Jesus is saying since HE'S the one who hung on that wooden cross for our atonement.

    Oh. And there's some question as to whether Mathew was written first or Mark. One copied from the other but theologians do not agree. I don't find this to be very important.


    Here. This is free:



    Chronological order of the books of the Bible.


    Here is a listing of the books of the Bible in the order in which they were written.

    Old Testament: (n.b., this is a "higher chronology" than you will find elsewhere = dates are earlier than in many liberal sources; numbers in bold represent the traditional English order):

    1440 - 1400 B.C.

    Genesis #1
    Exodus #2
    Leviticus #3
    Numbers #4
    Deuteronomy #5

    1400 - 1000

    Joshua #6
    Judges #7

    1000 - 586 B.C. (pre-exile - mid-exile)

    Period of David and Solomon (ca. 1000 - 931):

    Psalms #19
    Ruth #8
    1st Samuel #9
    2nd Samuel #10
    Job #18
    Proverbs #20
    Ecclesiastes #21
    Song of Solomon #22


    Period of Rehoboam to Hezekiah (931 - 686):

    Isaiah #23
    Hosea #28
    Joel #29
    Amos #30
    Obadiah #31
    Jonah #32
    Micah #33


    Period of Hezekiah to the exile (686 - 586):

    Nahum #34
    Habakkuk #35
    Zephaniah #36

    1st Kings #11
    2nd Kings #12
    1st Chronicles #13
    2nd Chronicles #14

    Jeremiah #24
    Lamentations #25
    Ezekiel #26
    Daniel #27


    516 - 400 B.C. (post-exilic)

    Ezra #15
    Nehemiah #16
    Esther #17

    Haggai #37
    Zechariah #38
    Malachi #39


    New Testament (n.b., this is a "higher chronology" than you will find elsewhere = dates are earlier; numbers in bold represent the traditional New Testament English order; parenthetical bold numbers are the traditional order in the Bible overall):

    40 - 45. A.D.

    Matthew: #1 (#40 )


    45 - 50 A.D.

    1st Thessalonians #13 (#52)
    2nd Thessalonians #14 (#53)
    1 Corinthians #7 (#46)
    2 Corinthians #8 (#47)
    Romans #6 (#45)
    Luke #3 (#42)


    50 - 55 A.D.

    Galatians #9 (#48)
    Ephesians #10 (#49)
    Philippians #11 (#50)
    Colossians #12 (#51)
    Philemon #18 (#57)
    Acts #5 (#44)

    1st Timothy #15 (#54)
    2nd Timothy #16 (#55)
    Titus #17 (#56)
    Hebrews #19 (#58)


    55 - 60 A.D.

    James #20 (#59)
    Jude #26 (#65)


    60 - 68 A.D.

    1st Peter #21 (#60)
    2nd Peter #22 (#61)
    Mark #2 (#41)

    John #4 (#43)
    1st John #23 (#62)
    2nd John #24 (#63)
    3rd John #25 (#64)
    Revelation #27 (#66)

    For detailed analysis of the Book of Revelation, please see this link for the Coming Tribulation series (wherein a verse by verse exegesis of the entire book). Original translations of specific verses from throughout the Bible can be found in the Translation Index.

    Commentary: While the canon of scripture is indeed inspired, the placement of the books is not. The order of the Hebrew Bible, for example, is somewhat different from the order you are no doubt familiar with (e.g., 1&2 Chronicles are the very last books, with Daniel placed along with Ezra and Nehemiah just before them). The earliest and best semi-complete manuscript of the New Testament, codex Sinaiticus, places Hebrews before Paul's pastoral epistles, and Acts comes before James. This is certainly understandable inasmuch as the chronology of the life and ministry of the apostle Paul is very problematic, especially in regard to the dates of his epistles (see esp. F.J. Goodwin's A Harmony of the Life of St. Paul). Still, the first five books ("of Moses") are universally first in the OT just like the gospels are in the NT, with the book of Revelation universally last. There is also the question, when you say chronological order, of whether the date of the events described or the date of writing is meant - and there can be a wide divergence (as with Moses relating of the earliest events of mankind in Genesis). The book of Ruth, for example, is placed in our English Bible in its rough order of chronological events, but was possibly written during Solomon's time.

    Here are a few salient things that we do know more or less for certain: the Pentateuch was written first (by Moses, ca. 1400 B.C., I would say), and Revelation was written last (by John, ca. 68 A.D., I would say; see the link), so that our English Bible order of the very first and last parts of the Bible is indeed chronological. For many of the books of the Bible we are only able to give approximate dates. Psalms, for example, was written by a variety of authors and spans at least several generations beginning with David. Job seems to relate very early events - well before the Davidic kingdom (although it was most probably written down in Solomon's day) - and so is placed with the "wisdom literature" after the books of Samuel and Kings. Acts, to take another example, was written after the book of Luke, and both were written in the mid to late first century A.D., but describe events earlier than many of the epistles written before them. No generally accepted chronology exists with any great specificity for most of the books of the Bible because the internal indications of dating are not sufficient to give us a precise fix in most cases, and so even those scholars with a high view of inspiration tend be divided over the exact dates of many of the individual books of the Bible, let alone the floruit of their divinely inspired human authors. To take but two examples, there is no consensus about who wrote the book of Job (I believe it was Solomon, giving the book a date of ca. the 10th cent. B.C.) or Hebrews (I believe it was Paul, giving the book a date of somewhere mid 1st cent. A.D.; see the link). As a result, there is a wide range of opinion even within the conservative, Bible-believing community about the authors (and therefore the precise dates) of these two books. That said, I do give above my own best estimate of the order of writing, and for more information you can of course always consult a good, conservative study Bible or Old / New Testament introduction (a good Bible dictionary like Unger's also has a synopsis of most of these arguments listed under the individual books). Study Bibles and Introductions generally have information at the beginning of every book, including a section on authorship and date (although, as I say, the dating is most often given as a "range" within which the commentators believe the book may have been written).

    The fact that this book of books spans fifteen hundred years and has yet been preserved intact for us by our Lord speaks volumes about its divinely inspired nature. And the fact that we know surprisingly little about some aspects of its provenance (like the precise dating of many of the books, as your question reveals) only goes to show that God's superintendence of the process of the creation and preservation of His Word (and not the efforts of men, no matter how impressive and noble they have been) has always been the decisive fact in the gift of this book that reveals His Son to us. One more set of reasons why reading your Bible is of such critical importance (please see the link: Read your Bible: Protection Against Cults).

    Here is another link where I discuss the chronological order of the books of the Bible and give more details:

    Chronological order of the books of the Bible part 2

    I would be happy to answer - to the best of my ability - any questions you might have about the dates of individual books. You can find a list of related links on the following page: BB 7: Bibliology.

    Yours in Jesus Christ who is the very Word of God incarnate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_ladybug View Post
    Orange kitties. Woo hoo..
    I LOVE kittens.
    I have two cats.
    I'd like another one but the hubby said NO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    I am not a fan of John MacArthur, but he comes to mind when you say this, because I think he has synthesized the four gospels into one cohesive narrative Probably others have as well
    Not a good idea to read the cohesive narrative.
    You miss a lot of what each writer wanted to say.

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    You know it quite ironic franc that no one is rebuking blueladybug for calling you a creep... quite the oppersite they are still continuing to like her posts...


    Hipocrits is all i can say... they scream blue murder when they get offended or insulted but its perfectly ok for them to insult..

    I think you call that lack of Good works.. blessings to you sis.
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    When it is my calling i call....i cant help that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranC View Post
    Not a good idea to read the cohesive narrative.
    You miss a lot of what each writer wanted to say.
    Have you have read them all?


    Embrace the Grace and Rejoice in His Everlasting Mercy and Love

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    For those interested in the subject of works done by the flesh ( which is works-righteousness ) and the difference of works done by the grace of God operating in our lives by the life of Christ in and through us as we participate in it with our Lord.

    I highly recommend this book by Eddie Snipes. "It is finished".

    Here is a free pdf file of it. It'll bless you immensely and help us to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and stay away from works-righteousness ( Again this is NOT saying we don't do any good works )

    https://marcellalindseyputz.files.wo...die-snipes.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by JIMBO43 View Post
    You know it quite ironic franc that no one is rebuking blueladybug for calling you a creep... quite the oppersite they are still continuing to like her posts...


    Hipocrits is all i can say... they scream blue murder when they get offended or insulted but its perfectly ok for them to insult..

    I think you call that lack of Good works.. blessings to you sis.
    Blue did not call Fran a creep. You are being dishonest as usual.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FranC View Post
    I LOVE kittens.
    I have two cats.
    I'd like another one but the hubby said NO!
    I like cat women lol
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    Blue,
    I'm leaving now.
    Some will be relieved.

    I just want to say good night.
    I want to say that no matter what you may think,
    we are serving the same God and the same Jesus.

    I love you as a sister in the Lord.

    I'll be praying for you because we all need prayer and I'm sorry you have physical difficulties. I also have problems with my back so I know what you're talking about.

    As for Magenta...she's another story.
    I pray for her too. That she learn how to spread around God's love --- we sure all need it, and I don't mean only on this thread or on this forum.

    We are to love God
    Ourselves
    Our neighbors

    Otherwise nothing in the Kingdom works correctly.
    All Jesus did was talk about this idea He had of how the Kingdom of God should start right here on earth.

    Be nice.
    Be seeing you around.
    God bless you.

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