Not By Works
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I wonder how many people agree with the 5 solas?
Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.
Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone
I have a suspicion that the second and third may give some people issues.
Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.
Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone
I have a suspicion that the second and third may give some people issues.
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The cross and eternity are forever intertwined together as one,
it is because use of the cross God can give eternal life, apart from it we would suffer eternal death.
so you can. NOT chose one without including the other. Try as you may, that is where you fail to see the gospel. And the power it has to not only save completely that which was lost, but change lives.
it is because use of the cross God can give eternal life, apart from it we would suffer eternal death.
so you can. NOT chose one without including the other. Try as you may, that is where you fail to see the gospel. And the power it has to not only save completely that which was lost, but change lives.
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PeterJens,you say this....
Does that mean your idol is your personal transformation and obedience/growth?
I do believe that our works will be judged. However, I believe the final judgement is upon Whom did you rest your faith? Jesus or yourself?
God judges the foundation. The world judges the fruit.
I choose to worship God.
Neither the idol of security or the idol of good works.
He leads me into green pastures and refreshes my soul. In Him I am secure and by His power I do good works, but neither matters as much as being in His presence and receiving His love.
Does that mean your idol is your personal transformation and obedience/growth?
I do believe that our works will be judged. However, I believe the final judgement is upon Whom did you rest your faith? Jesus or yourself?
God judges the foundation. The world judges the fruit.
I choose to worship God.
Neither the idol of security or the idol of good works.
He leads me into green pastures and refreshes my soul. In Him I am secure and by His power I do good works, but neither matters as much as being in His presence and receiving His love.
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FranC.....there isn't much point in speaking to you because I doubt you will listen.
A lot of folks shine God's light and believe in walking in God's laws and understand the doctrine of eternal security.
There has been a ton of name calling on both sides of the debate.
The post you commented on Peter is calling people idolaters.
Yet you find that acceptable Christian behavior?
A lot of folks shine God's light and believe in walking in God's laws and understand the doctrine of eternal security.
There has been a ton of name calling on both sides of the debate.
The post you commented on Peter is calling people idolaters.
Yet you find that acceptable Christian behavior?
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Titus 3
2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men.
3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.
4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour,
7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men.
3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.
4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour,
7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
It's interesting that the Pharisees and the Sadducees who were normally against each other - joined forces to attack Christ when He exposed the self-righteousness of religion. Jesus also proclaimed the grace and love of God for people and religion does not like the idea of grace being proclaimed.
The only time that it is actually said that Jesus was angry was when He got angry at the religious people for being against grace and the love of the Father being shown to someone who Jesus healed in the synagogue.
( He was most likely angry at the temple cleansing too - the scriptures just don't say that He was. )
The only time that it is actually said that Jesus was angry was when He got angry at the religious people for being against grace and the love of the Father being shown to someone who Jesus healed in the synagogue.
( He was most likely angry at the temple cleansing too - the scriptures just don't say that He was. )
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It is an interesting idea, which to a degree I have not focused on.
Jesus said this
For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.
Matt 12:37
So our confession is very important.
I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant!
Luke 19:22
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
Matt 16:27
each person was judged according to what they had done.
Rev 20:13
Now how would you judge a believer.
1. Their confession of faith
2. Their walk or actions
So if before you you had someone who confessed faith in Christ yet nothing changed in their
life and they did not follow or do anything related to Jesus, and another who confessed
faith and followed after Jesus's teaching, who actually knew Christ?
So without transformation, confession and a changed life how could one ever claim to know
Christ or that this was a reality.
When is something a proposal and when does it become a reality.
For Abraham it was offering up Isaac. Until then it was looking good, but this proved he
feared God.
For Peter it was staying with Christ despite denying him three times after being boastful.
For each of us it is probably some crucial point.
For Israel it was going into the promised land despite the enemy seeming strong and powerful.
This was such an odd compromise after all they had seen and heard. Was God going to deliver
the promise or was it all a sham. They plumped for sham. And they were rejected.
Jesus said this
For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.
Matt 12:37
So our confession is very important.
I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant!
Luke 19:22
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
Matt 16:27
each person was judged according to what they had done.
Rev 20:13
Now how would you judge a believer.
1. Their confession of faith
2. Their walk or actions
So if before you you had someone who confessed faith in Christ yet nothing changed in their
life and they did not follow or do anything related to Jesus, and another who confessed
faith and followed after Jesus's teaching, who actually knew Christ?
So without transformation, confession and a changed life how could one ever claim to know
Christ or that this was a reality.
When is something a proposal and when does it become a reality.
For Abraham it was offering up Isaac. Until then it was looking good, but this proved he
feared God.
For Peter it was staying with Christ despite denying him three times after being boastful.
For each of us it is probably some crucial point.
For Israel it was going into the promised land despite the enemy seeming strong and powerful.
This was such an odd compromise after all they had seen and heard. Was God going to deliver
the promise or was it all a sham. They plumped for sham. And they were rejected.
It's still easy to spot the pharisees.
Always arrogant, with an attitude of supremacy. High & lifted up, they are. A form of godliness.
One thing they don't have & can't be duplicated is the anointing. Satan has cheap imitations for just about everything, but not that.
Upon careful inspection you will find a total lack of empathy, & a false sense of humility.
Now that it's out in the air, they will either strike with a vengeance or cower in false humility.
Satan can imitate many things, but he can't cover who he is. All one has to do is look for it.
Always arrogant, with an attitude of supremacy. High & lifted up, they are. A form of godliness.
One thing they don't have & can't be duplicated is the anointing. Satan has cheap imitations for just about everything, but not that.
Upon careful inspection you will find a total lack of empathy, & a false sense of humility.
Now that it's out in the air, they will either strike with a vengeance or cower in false humility.
Satan can imitate many things, but he can't cover who he is. All one has to do is look for it.
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Ummm..this list is incomplete...
The world judges by the fruit..God judges by the Root.
The two things you listed are how the world judges believers.
God sees a persons heart. He knows if the confession of Faith was grounded in Christ or just empty words spoken.
Jesus Christ is our root. He is our foundation. Eternal life and salvation is based on if you trust in Him or in yourself.
We will be judged also by our works but that is a different reward.
Salvation is a gift, not a reward,
The world judges by the fruit..God judges by the Root.
The two things you listed are how the world judges believers.
God sees a persons heart. He knows if the confession of Faith was grounded in Christ or just empty words spoken.
Jesus Christ is our root. He is our foundation. Eternal life and salvation is based on if you trust in Him or in yourself.
We will be judged also by our works but that is a different reward.
Salvation is a gift, not a reward,