Not By Works
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For me it's not about works but nature. If after you declare Jesus as Lord and Saviour yet doing to or keep the sins we are told not to, then yes those will have no access because they chose their nature. Babes and those slipping are not who I mean, I'm talking about the ones that know better and shrug it off because they lack the fear of Him, or reverence of His Holiness...
I just asked you a straight forward question...I didn't say you would do that to your son....
The reality is - we are saying the exact same thing of our loving Father. Some works-based salvationists do believe that God sends His beloved children that Jesus died for into hell.
Post 16065 shows this to be true.
Perhaps you don't believe it - but that is the final outcome if the Holy Spirit leaves us - like some false doctrines try to tell believers in Christ - even though Jesus said "The Holy spirit will be in you forever. John 14:16
The reality is - we are saying the exact same thing of our loving Father. Some works-based salvationists do believe that God sends His beloved children that Jesus died for into hell.
Post 16065 shows this to be true.
Perhaps you don't believe it - but that is the final outcome if the Holy Spirit leaves us - like some false doctrines try to tell believers in Christ - even though Jesus said "The Holy spirit will be in you forever. John 14:16
Here is my view on Commentaries:
Commentaries are sometimes used as the "standard of truth".
Commentaries.
I personally love to read from commentaries and have about 1/2 dozen or so that I regularly view on some subject.
There is an inherent problem with going by commentaries to determine truth - they can be giving out what their denomination has taught them in the past and so we "could be" in another church tradition type of situation be perpetuated.
Commentaries are basically what the author himself thinks about a passage or certain doctrine which is absolutely fine.
I find that I get a part from one and a part from a different commentary and the Spirit of God uses them all in some aspect to reveal what He is speaking to me about.
The other one is Greek/Hebrew dictionaries. I find that they too can "sometimes add" their comments to what the actual meaning of the Greek words are which may or may not be entirely true.
They "add" their "application" of the meaning of the words - which is fine. But I believe we need to be aware of such things too.
I absolutely love to read the meanings of words in the Greek/Hebrew dictionaries and glean many things that have helped me to grow in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Personally I believe all Christians should be reading the original words as technology has been made available the tools needed to do this - and you don't need to go to seminary to do this elementary study. If you don't use these tools you are "in serious apostasy" ( just kidding - using the play on the term being in apostasy...
)In my opinion - Without the revelation of the Holy Spirit revealing the things of God to us - we can easily create our own religion that displaces the work of Christ in our lives and thus nullify the grace of God that is available for us for life and living.
We are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit to reveal the things of the Lord Jesus Christ in the scriptures to us as Mary was dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Christ in her womb.
John 19:30
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” Andbowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
in the Greek, Tetelestai, was a legal term, those who had paid their debt in full, carried a card with them affixed to the card was the crime, and stamped on it was the word tetelestai, it means the debt to society was "paid in full" and they could never be tried for the same crime again,
Where did you get that info from? What web site?
I understand the works-based doctrine well - I was well-trained in it. Even went to a Bible school and graduated and took Greek there too.
So, does this mean you do believe our loving Father throws his beloved children into hell and the lake of fire?
"Not about works - but nature" - that is what you believe. Correct?
So, you say that somehow - our new creation in Christ - which is our true nature created in righteousness and holiness - where Christ lives by the Holy Spirit within us - of Whom Jesus said would be in us forever - - it gets contaminated by sin?
Sins of the flesh kicks Jesus and the Holy Spirit out of our inner man that is in Christ?
So, does this mean you do believe our loving Father throws his beloved children into hell and the lake of fire?
"Not about works - but nature" - that is what you believe. Correct?
So, you say that somehow - our new creation in Christ - which is our true nature created in righteousness and holiness - where Christ lives by the Holy Spirit within us - of Whom Jesus said would be in us forever - - it gets contaminated by sin?
Sins of the flesh kicks Jesus and the Holy Spirit out of our inner man that is in Christ?