Not By Works

[Meggido]

wow dude, you seem to love to take what people say and tear it apart. Not knowing what they sad or even trying to understand

1. Can you show me where I said those thing would keep me from sinning?

maybe those things do not help you, but everyone I know find hose things not only useful but essential,

2. scripture?

do not forsake the assembling of your yourselves as in manner of some, church is not an hour of worship on Sunday and maybe wed, it is a way of life and a family of people getting together often. It includes discipleship groups of a few people getting together weekly, and other tims when you get together with A group for prayer,and study.

Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another so you may be healed,

3. what does working hard for salvation and not sinning come into he equation? I did not know stopping sin was required for salvation, So can you help me understand what you meant by saying I work hard to stay in things so as to not sin (which I never said) and salvation is not wrk? Is it work? Or is it not?

4. as for what I said, I sad those things HELP you, I never said the cause you to stop.

as for thE sin conscious doctrine? Where did that come from? You might want to stop reading people through tainted glasses and actually start the read what they say, if you have a question, ASK, it gets seriously old when people assume things and spout off without understanding a word people are trying to say, I though you were one who would not do that. Maybe I was wrong?

i will say one thing, if you're you think you can stop sin under your own power apart from the power of GOD

1. You think to highly of yourself
2. You will fail, you may change a few dirty habits, but you fail, that's why you must be in a discipleship relationship with someone who knows you and can learn your tendencies
3. You are better than Paul, who never though he could do it, his way to help was to seek after the spirit, As apposed to seek to serve self, and he NEVER went into the worl on any ministry without taking a ministry partner.

I am not going to pet my dear brother, too many do that here on in real life....if I must endure your baby tantrums I will....my love for you to be the best God made you to be is more important than you screaming for the milk bottle...throwing poo all over the room and burping and throwing up personal defenses...You got all the right scriptures down and everything, but it is time for you to grow....growing hurts....

Paul never wrestled with his 2 natures after conversion...because he killed the flesh and the old man and was set free from the law of sin and of death by he law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus...

I would recommend you seek and study Romans 1-8 and ask the Spirit to give you personal truth about its contents and not the doctrine you have been fed...


I pray that the Father , will give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him, I pray the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of your calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward you who believe

you wont like this or other comments, but I see such a light in you....one day this light is going to explode and you will see it for yourself...and in no way am I questioning your salvation...thats a given by your testimony here...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 John 2
be careful that what you began in remains in you......

each should contemplate "what" they began in

Phil 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that he who began a good work in you will complete it until the day of Christ,

stop trusting self and and start trusting Christ.

 

[Meggido]

i stopped reading what he sad about halfway through, I do not get why people think they know what people are saying, if they have a question they should ask.

your loss...the boards gain.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am not going to pet my dear brother, too many do that here on in real life....if I must endure your baby tantrums I will....my love for you to be the best God made you to be is more important than you screaming for the milk bottle...throwing poo all over the room and burping and throwing up personal defenses...You got all the right scriptures down and everything, but it is time for you to grow....growing hurts....

Paul never wrestled with his 2 natures after conversion...because he killed the flesh and the old man and was set free from the law of sin and of death by he law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus...

I would recommend you seek and study Romans 1-8 and ask the Spirit to give you personal truth about its contents and not the doctrine you have been fed...


I pray that the Father , will give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him, I pray the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of your calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward you who believe

you wont like this or other comments, but I see such a light in you....one day this light is going to explode and you will see it for yourself...and in no way am I questioning your salvation...thats a given by your testimony here...

I am not going to pet you either, I am going to tell it as it is, and one thing I can not stand is people maki g assumptions about people, and not being honest and open to discuss it with them just make a blind judgement,

paul did struggle with his flesh, he spoke present tense, and he spoke of a war which raged, there was no war in his pre saved life, because his spirit was dead, it could not want to do good, it could not do Anything,

of course we we could have discussed this nicely and with some actual conversation, we still can if you want, but as long as you keep assuming things, there will be no discussion.

ps. I think your thought are dangerous, it tells people they do not have to worry about sin, just go, you do not need disciples, you do not need someone to confess your sins to, and you would not struggle with sin anyway if you just trusted God,

been there done that, saw so many people walk away from God thinking they were failures, saw others get caught in deep deep sin because they hid it because they were afraid they would get judged,

again, when your ready to discuss. Talk to me we can, like civilized people,

but if your just just going to judge without even asking, then we can continue this back and forth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

your loss...the boards gain.

No, your loss, you can continue thinking people believe stuff the do not, and put yourself in the same mold as Stephen, PeterJens and others who have no desire to discuss the word, Just push what they think on others, and slander them to no end

 

[miknik5]

I am not going to pet my dear brother, too many do that here on in real life....if I must endure your baby tantrums I will....my love for you to be the best God made you to be is more important than you screaming for the milk bottle...throwing poo all over the room and burping and throwing up personal defenses...You got all the right scriptures down and everything, but it is time for you to grow....growing hurts....

Paul never wrestled with his 2 natures after conversion...because he killed the flesh and the old man and was set free from the law of sin and of death by he law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus...

I would recommend you seek and study Romans 1-8 and ask the Spirit to give you personal truth about its contents and not the doctrine you have been fed...


I pray that the Father , will give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him, I pray the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of your calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward you who believe

you wont like this or other comments, but I see such a light in you....one day this light is going to explode and you will see it for yourself...and in no way am I questioning your salvation...thats a given by your testimony here...

Paul actually gave up wrestling period

(1 Corinthians 4)

i pray THE FATHER will give you the wisdom to understand this GREAT SALVATION which is ours in CHRIST JESUS, who alone is THE SOURCE of our salvation

 

[stonesoffire]

No, EG...Meggido is right in his posts.

He's speaking of the righteousness conscienceness versus sin conscienceness. We will be what we believe. For it's out of the heart or mind, the mouth speaks.

He's saying its finished...what's finished? Sin..dead to sin and alive to God.

He's encouraging you to think you are now alive to God. In resurrected power. No longer at the foot of the Cross, but risen with Him.

You just took offense and can't hear from him now.

 

[Meggido]

I think your thought are dangerous, it tells people they do not have to worry about sin, just go, you do not need disciples, you do not need someone to confess your sins to, and you would not struggle with sin anyway if you just trusted God,

Did it ever dawn on you that Paul & Peter and their crews never worried about their personal SIN problem in the course of their ministry....gee I wonder why that was...

You see when you mature in Christ, SIN is not something to worry about, because when you do SIN, you confess it and move on....and despite what many say here to the contrary, SIN becomes less and less of an issue, when you become more and more like Christ...sure we will always miss it on things, but SIN does not entangle us any more...nor should it be an excuse....

I mean really bro, what do you think FREEDOM in Christ really is? its not ignoring SIN or thinking you never SIN anymore...It is knowing that due to the renewing of your mind to God's word and empowering grace you overcome it now....


I think thoughts that SIN overpowers us all the time is dangerous....and the devil loves people for being that way...

All of my posts refute what you are accusing me of doing here....

 

[blue_ladybug]

Sooo if I believe that I want to be a serial killer, that's what I'll become? I don't think so, because I'd have to make that choice to kill and keep killing.. We have free will to choose right or wrong..

No, EG...Meggido is right in his posts.

He's speaking of the righteousness conscienceness versus sin conscienceness. We will be what we believe. For it's out of the heart or mind, the mouth speaks.

He's saying its finished...what's finished? Sin..dead to sin and alive to God.

He's encouraging you to think you are now alive to God. In resurrected power. No longer at the foot of the Cross, but risen with Him.

You just took offense and can't hear from him now.

 

[stonesoffire]

Sooo if I believe that I want to be a serial killer, that's what I'll become? I don't think so, because I'd have to make that choice to kill and keep killing.. We have free will to choose right or wrong..

You don't really think the new man in Christ Jesus would want to be a serial killer do you Blue?

 

[stonesoffire]

I don't believe in freewill. Free choice maybe but not after making Jesus Lord. We are bondservants while growing up in the house, then when mature...Sons. Born free...as free as the wind blows...lol

 

[Meggido]

No, EG...Meggido is right in his posts.

He's speaking of the righteousness conscienceness versus sin conscienceness. We will be what we believe. For it's out of the heart or mind, the mouth speaks.

He's saying its finished...what's finished? Sin..dead to sin and alive to God.

He's encouraging you to think you are now alive to God. In resurrected power. No longer at the foot of the Cross, but risen with Him.

You just took offense and can't hear from him now.

I will also add, that he is not taking offense directly at me, nor do I feel offended or that it is directed at me. He takes offense because he knows deep down in his spirit that there is more to the way than what he is experiencing......this is how it starts for people.

 

[Meggido]

Sooo if I believe that I want to be a serial killer, that's what I'll become? I don't think so, because I'd have to make that choice to kill and keep killing.. We have free will to choose right or wrong..

how does this even fit the conversation blue? you lost me...

 

[blue_ladybug]

Of course not.. but we do have the free will to choose what and who we want to be..

You don't really think the new man in Christ Jesus would want to be a serial killer do you Blue?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, EG...Meggido is right in his posts.

He's speaking of the righteousness conscienceness versus sin conscienceness. We will be what we believe. For it's out of the heart or mind, the mouth speaks.

He's saying its finished...what's finished? Sin..dead to sin and alive to God.

He's encouraging you to think you are now alive to God. In resurrected power. No longer at the foot of the Cross, but risen with Him.

You just took offense and can't hear from him now.

No, He is wrong

I believe everything you just said about being alive to God, about taking everything to the cross,, He just will not hear it, He thinks he knows what I believe, Thus he keeps posting that.

it is him who will not listen to what I am trying to say, and him who keeps assuming.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Good.. lol..

I was just making a comment because Stones said that "we will be what we believe".. If we believe we're a child of God, then that's what we'll be. Although many believe they are a child of God, but in fact are not..

how does this even fit the conversation blue? you lost me...

 

[Meggido]

No, He is wrong

I believe everything you just said about being alive to God, about taking everything to the cross,, He just will not hear it, He thinks he knows what I believe, Thus he keeps posting that.

it is him who will not listen to what I am trying to say, and him who keeps assuming.

I said the very same thing stones said EG....you just do not want to receive from me and that is fine....

I do not assume with people.......their calling, sending and lives are far to important to...

Nobody has to know or assume what you believe EG, you lay it pretty bare for all to see.....

 

[PeterJens]

Is there a passage from the word of GOD which tells us clearly what the Will
and the Work of GOD is?

Love the Lord your God with everything you have.
Love others as Christ loved you.

It is funny how these two commandments are not known by believers.
It makes me wonder who they are actually following. Or are they so
impossible, it is best to choose some other version which means you
can continue as you are but feel you have made peace with God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did it ever dawn on you that Paul & Peter and their crews never worried about their personal SIN problem in the course of their ministry....gee I wonder why that was...

You see when you mature in Christ, SIN is not something to worry about, because when you do SIN, you confess it and move on....and despite what many say here to the contrary, SIN becomes less and less of an issue, when you become more and more like Christ...sure we will always miss it on things, but SIN does not entangle us any more...nor should it be an excuse....

I mean really bro, what do you think FREEDOM in Christ really is? its not ignoring SIN or thinking you never SIN anymore...It is knowing that due to the renewing of your mind to God's word and empowering grace you overcome it now....


I think thoughts that SIN overpowers us all the time is dangerous....and the devil loves people for being that way...

All of my posts refute what you are accusing me of doing here....

wow dude, You want to keep pushing?

You do not think I know these things, Why do you keep want to attack me wiht things I do not believe as if I believe them?


I feel like I am talking to a wall I say things, then you follow up by telling me something I already KNOW as if I do not already know it. Then keep attacking me when I try to talk to you.

In Romans 7 paul spoke present tense,

In Romans 8 paul told us how to defeat sin, and live in victory.

As for what I posted about what I think you might believe, .. I assumed, To try to show you how it feels. I do not know if you believe that stuff, But I know many who believe paul spoke past tense in romans 7 (pre-salvation) do believe that stuff.

Now do you want to discuss or keep assuming?

Now for the final time

I DO NOT WORRY ABOUT SIN, I DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SIN, I CONFESS IT TO GOD AND OTHERS (you do not confess to others if your WORRIED about sin. if I struggle with a particular sin issue, I ask God and my brothers to pray for me, I am strugging with a sin at the moment,

I DO NOT WORRY ABOUT SIN, I DID THAT WHEN I WAS A LEGALISTIC CHURCH, Not now.

I have seen more drug addicts come to christ and get healed. More people enslaved to sexual sins healed More people who were almost dead due to drug addiction healed.

these people do not go around worrying about sin, But I have also seen some fall.. I have seen some if not for people who know them struggle back and forth (a baby christian does not become a superchristian, it takes some some time to grow and mature and overcome particular sins.)

But hey, If you want to continue to lie about me and think i worry about sin, Thats on you.

People under law worry about sin, People who are legalistic worry about sin, Because it is all performance based.

You have the wrong person.. And the wrong idea,, I pray you fess up to this..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't believe in freewill. Free choice maybe but not after making Jesus Lord. We are bondservants while growing up in the house, then when mature...Sons. Born free...as free as the wind blows...lol

Tell that to david, A murderer. And wife stealer.

You do not think people of God if tempted can do some prety bad things, And you think you are free from them, You are putting yourself in danger.