Not By Works

[blue_ladybug]

But what if they ARE saved, and have that phobia or disability, or like ME, are confined to bed much of the time and can't get out and do (many) good works? People's fears and bitterness don't automatically equal not saved..

I do not think a child of God can go and do no good works. Who can endure the chastening of God, They either had to have done works in the past. ad due to circumstances, have now stopped for whatever reason, Which will start Gods chastening, Or I would wonder if they were saved at all..

 

[Meggido]

Pick up your cross and follow HIM

Is sufficient

those who love their lives (physical lives with all it's well being and comforts) will lose it
and those who lose their lives (physical lives with all its well being and comforts) for HIM and the GOSPEL will find it and keep it to Eternal Life

So I have to know, are you passively or actively picking up the cross and following him?

Many think picking up the cross is not required and just watching him carry his is all that is needed[this is passive picking up the cross]....active picking up the cross has nothing at all to do with crucifying the flesh or self denial....and everything to do with fulfilling what he called you do to...

Some get way off base and try to carry his...this is where devils meet you...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok, good convo here, because I have heard the children of Israel not abiding thing and it is wrong and has it's roots in replacement theology<<<<no pun intended

BEMA I can get behind..anyway, thanks for the thoughts...have a great day

oh, I am with you and totally against replacement theology, I was trying to use it in the context of John, not romans.. The context of romans 9 - 11 is all about the nation of Israel. Not the church replacing Israel.

Like i said, it was just a thought I had when I read it, I still like the Bema better..Thats how I like to study, if an idea comes in, play it out see if it works.. And it helps when you have others to discuss it with..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But what if they ARE saved, and have that phobia or disability, or like ME, are confined to bed much of the time and can't get out and do (many) good works? People's fears and bitterness don't automatically equal not saved..

many good works and zero good works are different..lol

I can see it being hard to do alot.. But impossible to do none, does that make sense?

 

[Meggido]

oh, I am with you and totally against replacement theology, I was trying to use it in the context of John, not romans.. The context of romans 9 - 11 is all about the nation of Israel. Not the church replacing Israel.

Like i said, it was just a thought I had when I read it, I still like the Bema better..Thats how I like to study, if an idea comes in, play it out see if it works.. And it helps when you have others to discuss it with..

yep, yep...

 

[blue_ladybug]

To me, absolutely.. lol

many good works and zero good works are different..lol

I can see it being hard to do alot.. But impossible to do none, does that make sense?

 

[dcontroversal]

many good works and zero good works are different..lol

I can see it being hard to do alot.. But impossible to do none, does that make sense?

Especially when Jesus said a cup of cold water in his name would not go unnoticed and or unrewarded......if you have done it to the least of these my brethren you have done it unto me......

 

[PeterJens]

I wonder if one is addicted to making ones words stand out bold and doubly emphasised
does one actually believe it helps the content and its effect lol

But maybe just being boring is a better option

 

[miknik5]

I do not think a child of God can go and do no good works. Who can endure the chastening of God, They either had to have done works in the past. ad due to circumstances, have now stopped for whatever reason, Which will start Gods chastening, Or I would wonder if they were saved at all..

So I have to know, are you passively or actively picking up the cross and following him?

Many think picking up the cross is not required and just watching him carry his is all that is needed[this is passive picking up the cross]....active picking up the cross has nothing at all to do with crucifying the flesh or self denial....and everything to do with fulfilling what he called you do to...

Some get way off base and try to carry his...this is where devils meet you...

Ezekiel 34 is sufficient

He'll judge both the fat filled fed sheep and the baby weakened lambs trailing behind the fat filled and fed sheep

 

[dcontroversal]

But what if they ARE saved, and have that phobia or disability, or like ME, are confined to bed much of the time and can't get out and do (many) good works? People's fears and bitterness don't automatically equal not saved..

The Lord knows all, sees all and is most gracious......

 

[Meggido]

Ezekiel 34 is sufficient

He'll judge both the fat filled fed sheep and the baby weakened lambs trailing behind the fat filled and fed sheep

Nice try, but this means nothing to the conversation and once again you take things out of context to prop up your doctrine...

 

[JIMBO43]

I give rather often, with a cheerful heart..but I don't accuse others of being free loaders for not doing their share in giving of their time or talents or money...

i never accused you i asked you are you a giver or a free loader...


nope im innocent here ive obviously nicked your armour but then we will never know if you dont ask... besides i always say its good to test the spirits....

My motto is every little helps..

You can Give by just being a good sister and in my book a donation is from the heart however you seem to think otherwise of me and think its wrong to boast in Giving..

 

[JIMBO43]

I can handle rebuke.. but you weren't rebuking, you were being rude, and making false assumptions and name-calling. If YOU can't handle taking it back, you shouldn't dish it out.

once you go on a roll of false accusation you certainly get loaded


Its like false accustaions galore with you... a never ending fountain of Goats butting me of cliff is what i get here lol

 

[BillG]

But what if they ARE saved, and have that phobia or disability, or like ME, are confined to bed much of the time and can't get out and do (many) good works? People's fears and bitterness don't automatically equal not saved..

Only God truly knows the heart of people.
And the truth is people don't truly know the heart of God.

 

[JIMBO43]

Think of all the kids who get presents every year based solely on the fact their parents love them.

I guess they are freeloaders? These people make me laugh ..

Thats not quite the same and you know it.

A free loader is someone who has a selfish ambition as well as ruthless couldnt care less attiude just two reasons of many definitions of a free loader... they load a way all day ignoring the pleas for help...

 

[JIMBO43]

Only God truly knows the heart of people.
And the truth is people don't truly know the heart of God.

Is heart spirit ?

Your forgetting that we hear Gods heart through Jesus in the new t....................God is speaking Directly when Jesus speaks..

 

[BillG]

Is heart spirit ?

Your forgetting that we hear Gods heart through Jesus in the new t....................God is speaking Directly when Jesus speaks..

Was responding in terms of salvation.
Only knows the heart of a person and not men.

 

[miknik5]

Nice try, but this means nothing to the conversation and once again you take things out of context to prop up your doctrine...

You go first, sir...

 

[JIMBO43]

Ok Jimbo i have a story i would like to share with you...Four years ago i was very sick mentally, i was under the mental health act and was in the care of the Maudsley hospital for 7 months, when my treatment has stopped and i was home alone i turned to God because you see my illness was caused by demonic influences and i knew the only help i could get was from God and no hospitals so that is what i done, infact it was God who was calling me, and He gave me new ideas in my sick mind, because i lived in my bed apart from getting up to eat etc, i never dressed, i had no teeth, lost them through gum illness, was a binge drinker and an ex drug addict addicted to speed, but after my last bout of hospital, God placed it on my heart to move bedrooms, the thought was just to much, but everyday the thought became stronger untill one day i had enough of the thought and before i knew it i was now in my new bedroom which is at the back of the house and quiet from the noise of the cars...One day i received a letter to say i was entitled to some money from the government, i filled out the forms and i remember praying to God and asking Him if He would please let me have this money so i could do my home up, i had never had anything in my life to call my own, and God gave me what was given to me, i had carpet laid, flooring put down, walls painted and all this was done through faith, i never went out of my way for any of it, i just prayed to got with a broken heart and asked Him to help me, this was 2 years before i had even given my life to Jesus, what a wonderful God we serve...I did not work for any of this, it was all given to me through Gods Grace, He brought me to the Lord 2 years later, He healed me, He is still healing me, have done nothing to deserve this, I am still in awe...xox...

The flying heaves angels always lookout for there own and our ministers in great britain also raise funds for all our prayers lol...

 

[BillG]

Was responding in terms of salvation.
Only knows the heart of a person and not men.

Sorry

Only God knows the heart of a person and not men