Someone please help me with this debate I'm in with these atheist fools

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South_FLA

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So in this comment section on youtube there was this atheist guy mocking Christian music. Later down the line another one comes in and now they're saying there's no evidence of Jesus and the bible isn't credible. Can you provide me the best links to articles that prove Jesus Christ's existence and that supports the bible's claims? I'm a new Christian so I'm not good with this stuff.


 
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wwjd_kilden

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Hi

Trolls are best left alone :) (Don't "feed" them)
 

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One needs faith, not proof. You need only direct them to Scripture, other than that, keep them in your prayers that their eyes may be opened to the glorious Truth of Jesus, but if they continue to mock you and refute you, then shake the dust off your feet.
 

South_FLA

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Hi

Trolls are best left alone :) (Don't "feed" them)
I'm not gonna let the atheists look like they're right. What if someone reads that comment section and goes "wow, those atheists made those Christians look dumb. Maybe God isn't real" .. I want to defend the Gospel.
 

South_FLA

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One needs faith, not proof. You need only direct them to Scripture, other than that, keep them in your prayers that their eyes may be opened to the glorious Truth of Jesus, but if they continue to mock you and refute you, then shake the dust off your feet.
I want atleast provide them evidence. Give them something to read and consider. Isn't there some articles that help prove God's existence?
 
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wwjd_kilden

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If someone reads that they will see a troll who is dumb :)

Even if you prove to them that Jesus existed, you cannot prove He was God. That takes faith :)
Do what Utah said
 
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Amazing-Grace

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Blimey posthuman - are we twins???
 

Utah

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I want atleast provide them evidence. Give them something to read and consider. Isn't there some articles that help prove God's existence?
The Bible is the proof. The inner feeling one experiences when they know God exists and He loves us is the proof.
 

Magenta

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Probably better not to directly engage the atheists on youtube over their comments, but you could simply mention that most reputable historians do not deny the historicity of Jesus. Anyone who says He did not walk this world is really pushing the envelop, and Scripture classifies them as fools if they say there is no God. They have no proof that there is no God so they are not basing their beliefs on facts but vain imagination. Atheists really like to play the I'm-smarter-and-more-logical-than-you-card, so pointing out an inconsistency to them right off is a good move. However, I would not expect to have any kind of positive feedback from them.

God desires a personal relationship with each person, meaning we don't believe because we have been told to or because we have been brainwashed or because we are incapable of thinking for ourselves. (Those are atheist beliefs about people who believe in God.) Notice how they want you to just accept what they say as if they are more qualified to tell you what to believe, when their belief is simply a negative. The end game of some atheists is to destroy your faith. They often have huge chips on their shoulders about religion in general and Christianity in particular.
 

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Ive done this before with people on youtube, most of the people who post stuff like that are just random kids who are trying to get a reaction or some attention. If you provide them with evidence, they will simply just deny it, and make more troll posts...The best move to make is to just ignore them, their fight is with God, not you.
 

South_FLA

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Probably better not to directly engage the atheists on youtube over their comments, but you could simply mention that most reputable historians do not deny the historicity of Jesus. Anyone who says He did not walk this world is really pushing the envelop, and Scripture classifies them as fools if they say there is no God. They have no proof that there is no God so they are not basing their beliefs on facts but vain imagination. Atheists really like to play the I'm-smarter-and-more-logical-than-you-card, so pointing out an inconsistency to them right off is a good move. However, I would not expect to have any kind of positive feedback from them.

God desires a personal relationship with each person, meaning we don't believe because we have been told to or because we have been brainwashed or because we are incapable of thinking for ourselves. (Those are atheist beliefs about people who believe in God.) Notice how they want you to just accept what they say as if they are more qualified to tell you what to believe, when their belief is simply a negative. The end game of some atheists is to destroy your faith. They often have huge chips on their shoulders about religion in general and Christianity in particular.
I didn't directly engage in this argument. I did comment to him but that was a month ago, we weren't talking evidence back then. This guy with the duck picture just commented today.
 

South_FLA

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Ive done this before with people on youtube, most of the people who post stuff like that are just random kids who are trying to get a reaction or some attention. If you provide them with evidence, they will simply just deny it, and make more troll posts...The best move to make is to just ignore them, their fight is with God, not you.
I provided them a link. I will not try to hard to argue with them I just want to refute their claims with links.
 

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No problem I got something for ya
[video]https://youtu.be/4bLlpiWh9-k[/video]
 

Magenta

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I didn't directly engage in this argument. I did comment to him but that was a month ago, we weren't talking evidence back then. This guy with the duck picture just commented today.
There is plenty of evidence but they deny it, so, there is that LOL. Some will try to tell you that if you have evidence, then you cannot have faith, but that is not true; the two are not mutually exclusive, and Scripture attests to the fact that if you seek, you shall find, and Jesus even promises to show Himself to the sincere seeker. This will be the grounds for an atheist to say you need to be on medication or something similar. They simply cannot understand or accept that there are valid reasons to believe that are not grounds to have you institutionalized.
 

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[h=1]“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”[/h]
t aquinas
 

G00WZ

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I provided them a link. I will not try to hard to argue with them I just want to refute their claims with links.
alright then, I wish you all the luck lol
 

Dino246

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Welcome to CC! Here are some links to apologetics sites. I would agree with Utah's comments... these links likely won't bring a person to faith, but they may help answer some of the silly criticisms.

ReasonableFaith.org – Defend Biblical Christianity, Apologetics, Bible Questions
www.carm.org
Home | Apologetics - C.S. Lewis Society (Florida)
RZIM
Creation | Creation Ministries International
Creation, Evolution & Science Ministries | "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." 1 Thess 5:21
www.answersingenesis.org


and on YouTube:
Greg Koukl
Ravi Zacharias
William Lane Craig
Ray Comfort

and many others...

May the Lord be with you!
 

DiscipleDave

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I'm not gonna let the atheists look like they're right. What if someone reads that comment section and goes "wow, those atheists made those Christians look dumb. Maybe God isn't real" .. I want to defend the Gospel.
You are to study, so that you know how to answer a question presented to you, my advise, is to let them be. And you get into the Word and read it, learn it, study it. Once you know the Word, you will in all likeliness be able to respond for yourself the answer to such questions.

Let me ask you dave what did the Apostle Paul at Galatians 1:6-9, where he says the following: "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the gracde of Christ, FOR A DIFFERENT GOSPEL; vs7, which is really not another, only there are some who are disturbing you, and want to distort the gospel of Christ. vs8, But even though we, or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. vs9, As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is peaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you have received let him be accursed." base his opinion on?

In other words, I'm asking you how Paul knew that some others were preaching a different gospel? And look what else Paul says at 2 Corinthians 11:4, "For if one comes and preaches ANOTHER JESUS whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a differenct gospel which you have not accepted, you might go along with it."

So how do I know the Mormons, Jw's, Unitarians, Christdelphians, Mind science groups, and others are following a different Jesus and a different gospel? They "distort" the gospel and have a different Jesus based on who He is? He's a created being, He's Michael the arc angel according to the JW's. Mormons say Jesus a god just like Satan and Jesus was finally chosen over Satan who happens to be the spirit brother of Jesus Christ. Oh yea one more thing, the Mormons do have the Book of Mormon which they say is another testament. Why do you think they say it's another testament/gospel? Do some homework on these groups so you become informed and for you to say, "But to say they believe in a different Jesus than you do, is not correct."

It is too correct based on the fact that they are doing exactly what the Apostle Paul said, "distoring the truth." Remember something, "sincerity" is not a basis for truth. Lastly, I suggest you also read Acts 20:27-30. "For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God. vs28, Be on guard (why dave?) for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shephered the church of God which He purchased with His own bloodl. vs29, I KNOW that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock, vs30, and from among your own selves men will arise,k speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. Vs31, Therefore be on the ALERT, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears.

Did you get that dave? The Church is not only going to attacked by savages wolves from the outside but also within the Church. Who do you think these people are? How can you spot them? And notice something, none of this just "OPINION" as you claim. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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Brother, i am not saying what they believe is right. The only thing i am trying to point out to you is you are judging the entire religion based on what you believe to be True. Know you not that anyone who professes Jesus Christ as the Son of God, is our brother and our sister, regardless what denomination they belong to, what religious group they belong to, what false doctrines they hold to, or what have you.

Listening to you, and the way you are talking you have CONDEMNED ever single person that is a JW, you have condemned every single person that is a Catholic, you have condemned every single person that is a Mormon. my point is every single one of them is a believer in Jesus Christ. Every single one of them learned about Jesus Christ the exact same way that you learned about Him and that is through the Word of God, which they have with them too.

You would do well to remember they are your Brothers and Sisters. Yes they are deceived, yes they believe things they should not believe. Sure they may not end up going to Heaven. But of a Truth the exact same thing can be said of Protestants also. Are they not deceived as well? Do they no believe things that are not found in Scriptures, and Yes, there are many of them who will not get to Heaven either.

Love One Another, not hate them, not despise them, not cut them down, not condemn them, not belittle them, but LOVE THEM. i will tell you the TRUTH if you do not love them, then your destination will be the same as those that you condemn.

The battle is not against JW, it is not against Catholics, it is not against Mormons. The battle is against false doctrines that create these things. There are over 120 different denominations in the protestant religion, why? Because of false doctrines. Baptist denomination was created because they believed you MUST be water baptized. Pentecostal denomination was created because of the Holy Ghost's gift of speaking in tongues.

How many Christians Love One Another? i mean, how many of them, love their enemies? Love them which persecute them? Love them which spitefully uses them? Love them that abuse them? Love them that are poor? Love them that are homeless? How many love them that hate them? The Battle is not against other religions, but against satan and his tactics to keep people believing in the false doctrines that keep people where they are at, and that is living in sins.

JW, yeah their wrong, but LOVE them anyways, Jesus does.
Catholics, yeah their wrong, but LOVE them anyways, Jesus does.
Mormons, yeah their wrong, but LOVE them anyways, Jesus does.
Typical Christians of today, yeah their wrong, but LOVE them anyways, Jesus does.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave