Be Holy, have reverent fear, live for righteousness, done with sin

[PeterJens]

Peter on how we should live:-

Be Holy
Just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy."
1 Peter 1:15-16

Have reverent fear
Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear.
1 Peter 1:17

Live for righteousness
He himself bore our sins in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness.
1 Peter 2:24

Done with sin
Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.
1 Peter 4:1

This is what Peter the apostle called us to do and how to behave.

Now in one reading of 1 Peter, I can show this is his understanding,
how is it some claim to preach the same gospel but deny these realities.

Life to God, and reject false teachers.

 

[PeterJens]

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.
1 Peter 4:3

We are called to live for righteousness, to do that which is good.

Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart.
1 Peter 1:22

Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.
1 Peter 3:8-9

Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
1 Peter 3:15-16

 

[Yonah]

2Ti 3:5
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

 

[PeterJens]

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

1 Tim 3:1-5

What many have testified to is attempting to live Gods way and failing.
Rather than exploring why they found it so hard, or only appeared to walk as they should,
they gave up, and preach a faith which does not overcome but walks in sin and defeat.

In todays world, people emotionally have rarely been shaken up or had trauma, so
live like spoilt children have tantrums. For them a God who gives presents with no
pain works better than the real God the Father. But this is no power or truth in it.

 

[garee]

2Ti 3:5
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Those would be the ones that Christ said : I never knew you depart from me you worker of iniquity.They perform many wounder full works but deny the grace of God which teaches us to say no to ungodliness. Grace is our teacher, not pride.

 

[garee]

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

1 Tim 3:1-5

What many have testified to is attempting to live Gods way and failing.
Rather than exploring why they found it so hard, or only appeared to walk as they should,
they gave up, and preach a faith which does not overcome but walks in sin and defeat.

In todays world, people emotionally have rarely been shaken up or had trauma, so
live like spoilt children have tantrums. For them a God who gives presents with no
pain works better than the real God the Father. But this is no power or truth in it.

I would think since he took ours sins according to His suffering and pain .The idea of us adding our suffering to it would make his suffering without effect .

In this world we will have suffering and pain as tribulation.Some that we bring upon yourself as well as some coming from without .But is has nothing to do with salvation. Christ finished that work .

 

[Persuaded]

Peter on how we should live:-

Be Holy
Just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy."
1 Peter 1:15-16

Have reverent fear
Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear.
1 Peter 1:17

Live for righteousness
He himself bore our sins in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness.
1 Peter 2:24

Done with sin
Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.
1 Peter 4:1

This is what Peter the apostle called us to do and how to behave.

Now in one reading of 1 Peter, I can show this is his understanding,
how is it some claim to preach the same gospel but deny these realities.

Life to God, and reject false teachers.

BE HOLY----I'm working on it.

HAVE REVERENT FEAR-----I'm working on it.

LIVE FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS----I'm working on it.

DONE WITH SIN----I'm working on it.

I ain't there yet. I won't make it in this fleshly body with it's sin nature.

AND NEITHER ARE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD.

BUT, I will keep trying as I follow the leadership of the Holy Spirit that dwells within me.

And by the way, The Scripture clearly teaches in eternal security, i.e. salvation can not be lost once you have it.

 

[PeterJens]

BE HOLY----I'm working on it.

HAVE REVERENT FEAR-----I'm working on it.

LIVE FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS----I'm working on it.

DONE WITH SIN----I'm working on it.

I ain't there yet. I won't make it in this fleshly body with it's sin nature.

AND NEITHER ARE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD.

BUT, I will keep trying as I follow the leadership of the Holy Spirit that dwells within me.

And by the way, The Scripture clearly teaches in eternal security, i.e. salvation can not be lost once you have it.

Amen to your desire to follow.

I ain't there yet. I won't make it in this fleshly body with it's sin nature.
AND NEITHER ARE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD.

How can you know what you will achieve before you have achieved it?

What you are declaring is a statement of faith that contradicts scripture, Jesus,
Paul, Peter, John.

It makes the cross meaningless, and avoids the real definition of
what sin is, how we work and were we are going.

Peter in saying our suffering purifies us from sin. Now this is a pretty final
statement. But it appears you do not believe Peter.

I want to know what Peter meant and to walk in it, because he knew Christ
better than me and what can be achieved, Praise the Lord.

 

[Persuaded]

Amen to your desire to follow.

I ain't there yet. I won't make it in this fleshly body with it's sin nature.
AND NEITHER ARE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD.

How can you know what you will achieve before you have achieved it?

What you are declaring is a statement of faith that contradicts scripture, Jesus,
Paul, Peter, John.

It makes the cross meaningless, and avoids the real definition of
what sin is, how we work and were we are going.

Peter in saying our suffering purifies us from sin. Now this is a pretty final
statement. But it appears you do not believe Peter.

I want to know what Peter meant and to walk in it, because he knew Christ
better than me and what can be achieved, Praise the Lord.

Are you there yet?
A simple yes or no will do.

 

[PeterJens]

Are you there yet?
A simple yes or no will do.

I do not know, nor will I ever know, nor probably will the Lord ever tell me,
because it is about walking not arriving, doing not being.

Have you ever seen a cyclist stationary? They fall over, because it only works
when you are moving.

 

[Grace777x70]

The book of Ephesians shows the whole Christian life with it's many facets while here in this earth after we received Christ and are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Eph. 1:13

The starting point of the Christin walk is that we are seated with Christ now as Paul talks about in Ephesians 1-3. Then Paul talks about what this life looks like in Chapters 4 and 5. Then the stand of the Christian is seen in Chapter 6. The good fight of faith - faith in what Christ has done.

To try to "dictate the descriptions of the Christian life" of Chapter 4 and 5 before having the foundation of being seated with Christ as shown in Chapter 1-3 creates a man-made religion of D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness.

How well we have our minds renewed to the truths of being seated with Christ ( Eph 1-3 ) will reflect in our walk ( Eph. 4-5 ) which will reflect in how well we stand in His armor the armor of God revealed as Christ Himself in us. ( Eph. 6 )

No one disputes what the true Christian life looks like when the fruit of Christ's union with us is in manifestation in our lives. The dis-connect comes on how this is accomplished.

I believe it is from start to finish all by grace through faith in what Christ has already done for us. As we have received Christ our Lord - so we walk in Him. Col. 2:6

As we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord - the Holy Spirit transforms us outwardly to reflect the true nature of the new creation. The new man in Christ and the manifestation of this new creation is like the invisible man in the movie. We don't see him until he puts on clothes.

We too "put on Christ" and this new creation in Christ becomes manifested to others outwardly that need to see the love and grace that our Lord and loving Father has for them.

 

[PeterJens]

Love God, love your neighbour, love your enemy, love like Jesus.

Now as you read this the question is where are you?
In the Kingdom? In sin wondering how you are? Not sure?

As believers we all seem to agree we start far from the Lord without
understanding but with faith that He can deliver us from our sin.

HG comes with a compromise of defeat without action.

Religious piety often is action without faith or love.

I hold with action in faith and love with Christ.

Now HG on this forum holds this would be self, and flesh so evil.

 

[Grace777x70]

Someone makes this statement:

"What a beautiful blue sky the Lord gave us today by His grace"

Someone else responds to the above statement with this:

"What? The sky is not green - everyone knows the sky is blue - you are HG and what you are saying is evil and you are defeated because you have no action".

Selah....

 

[PeterJens]

A lesson from interaction with HG followers

If they lie, distort, miss-represent, claim victimisation, that the other party is the spawn
of satan, evil it is not a problem, the opposition deserved it.

But if the truth is spoken and they do not like it, they go ape.

Thankfully we have scripture and the truth.

As we grow stronger they wither and fall as sin takes a tighter grip on their
souls, while we pass from glory to glory, they slide quick and stepper into the
pits of hell.

 

[Persuaded]

I do not know, nor will I ever know, nor probably will the Lord ever tell me,
because it is about walking not arriving, doing not being.

Have you ever seen a cyclist stationary? They fall over, because it only works
when you are moving.

An honest answer and I appreciate it.
Can you do something for me?
I do not understand the term HP.
Never heard it before this form.
What is your definition of HP?
Why have I been accused of believing this?

 

[dcontroversal]

Paul said...the things I say I am not going to do I do...the things I say I am going to do I do not do.....you must be so much more righteous than Paul who started exactly how many churches and wrote almost half of the N.T and turned Asia/Rome upside down with his preaching...............!

 

[JGIG]

Peter in saying our suffering purifies us from sin. Now this is a pretty final
statement. But it appears you do not believe Peter.

I want to know what Peter meant and to walk in it, because he knew Christ
better than me and what can be achieved, Praise the Lord.

Um, the Apostle Peter said no such thing.

You are stating that our suffering purifies us from sin, when the Bible tells us that the Blood of Christ purifies us from sin.

You continually point to self, while we continually point to Christ.

That should tell the readers here all they need to know about the heresies that you teach here.

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Originally Posted by PeterJens

This is a key question. Did Christ do enough to save us?

No.

We have to

1. Repent of our sins
2. Believe on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins
3. Follow Jesus
4. Obey Jesus's commands
5. Dwell in Gods word
6. Walk in the Spirit, in communion with God

Now you could add to this list or expand each item.

Some say Christ has done enough, and we need to do nothing but believe.

Jesus describes himself as the Shepherd.

I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
John 10:11

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Matt 7:13-14

We are called to follow, to follow the road that leads to life.
If you are following, it takes effort and you are doing actual work.

Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
Matt 11:28-30

A yoke is about being alongside another and taking their road and learning how to
walk it.

All of the above implies Christ has laid the way to salvation, but we have to walk it
to follow, to put effort in, to choose, to make decisions and fight the good fight.

So it is hard to believe people who say they know scripture, yet claim they
need do nothing and Christ has done it all, it is just resting and reaping.

This is just heresy.
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We must enter into by faith (believe) what Christ has done on our behalf - we receive what He has done - and at that point our salvation is complete in Christ.

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. (from Jn. 3)​

That's pretty thorough and clear -

Jesus IS ENOUGH \o/!​

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Anyone notice that it's

BE holy because God is holy

and not

DO holy because God is holy?

We ARE holy if we are in Christ (Heb. 10).

BE who you ARE in Christ.

Learn to behave like who you are in Christ.

Grace teaches us - patiently, lovingly \o/!

-JGIG

 

[PeterJens]

Um, the Apostle Peter said no such thing.

Let us look at this verse

Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.
1 Peter 4:1

Suffering has a purifying effect on the believer. Paul is refering to suffering for righteousness
not suffering for its own sake.

And Paul is also talking about identification with the suffering Christ under went, or else you
end up with ideas about self mortification, which becomes self abuse rather than anything of
value.

 

[PeterJens]

You continually point to self, while we continually point to Christ.

The HG crowd have this fascination with describing not pointing at self.
Everything we do, say, believe, have faith with, is related to ourselves so you cannot but
talk about self while being spiritual.

It is though a tactic of the cults to move away from healthy behaviour and critical thinking
into a world where you just open up to whatever the teachers want to teach you.
Invariably it just leads to a personality cult where the teacher replaces the identity of the individual,
and loyalty is to whatever they want to push.

We are called to be holy and blameless, to walk in love and share Christs love with all.