Did it rain before the flood?

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Magenta

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I'll probably have to rent that Russell Crowe movie and get back to you all on this. You know, that one where a man is chosen by his world's creator to undertake a momentous mission before an apocalyptic flood cleanses the world.
I enjoyed that movie immensely and would highly recommend it to anyone :)
Though some may not like that it is not strictly Biblical...


 
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Gen 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

One may ask himself, "Does Noah ask, what is rain?"
One may rightfully assume that GOD gives insight to his word.....God instructed NOAH to build a ARK and gave his the dimensions....we do not have to even ponder the fact concerning Noah understanding what rain was......that point is moot......The bible says in Hebrews that he was warned of THINGS NOT SEEN AS OF YET....THINGS is plural....as in RAIN, FLOODING, EARTH DESTROYED, GATHERING of the ANIMALS, ARK etc...........
 
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It is not a matter of having faith no matter what. `When Adam and eve were yet at peace in the Garden, there was amorning mist that God provided to water the ÇGarden.

After Adam's fall (mankind's fall) he was to work they land for produce and earn his keep by the sweat of his brow. I do not think this could possibly have meant the mist was yet appearing each morning since the Garden was taken from him

The entire world needed water for its vegetation and wild life, and there were not yet men to till the soil everywhere, so it stands to erason rain in due season had begun after the mist was taken away, except for the flood, there has been rain since the Garden. I am going with it.................

The entire thread here is moot when it comes to salvation and/or true wisdom since everything that can be seen is destined to burn in the fire next time.....
One of the most anti-biblical statements I have seen you post.......Hebrews 11 contradicts and disagrees with your statement.....
 

JaumeJ

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A world flood was a "thing" right? It was the first on a global scale, and it was the last, the only.

One may rightfully assume that GOD gives insight to his word.....God instructed NOAH to build a ARK and gave his the dimensions....we do not have to even ponder the fact concerning Noah understanding what rain was......that point is moot......The bible says in Hebrews that he was warned of THINGS NOT SEEN AS OF YET....THINGS is plural....as in RAIN, FLOODING, EARTH DESTROYED, GATHERING of the ANIMALS, ARK etc...........
 

JaumeJ

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Now that is a reah to judgment. There is nothing anti-Biblical in my response. The blind faith is not necessary when it is explained by the Bible.

At this point I believe the posts are going off op. It has become for you my trial. I forgive you, but do try to understand without that little twist ssthrown in.

We are to believe God no matter what, I have only indicated what God has given to be written in regard to RAIN.


One of the most anti-biblical statements I have seen you post.......Hebrews 11 contradicts and disagrees with your statement.....
 

OneFaith

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I personally believe it did not rain before the flood. We know the conditions that cause a rainbow. Maybe there wasn't a rainbow before because there wasn't what is needed to make a rainbow- rain.

It took over a hundred years to build the ark, if I remember correctly. Years of rain can result in rotting wood.

Maybe it was hard for people to believe Noah that water would fall from the sky, and not so much how long it would fall, and how much water would accumulate.

Adam and Eve were very exposed to the elements. I imagine they didn't have buildings yet. I suppose they had caves.

Anyways, I think it didn't rain till the flood.
 

JaumeJ

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You have said it, "I personally believe." This is why I have posted my understanding, or more plainly, what I personally believe. What I believe is deduced from what is given me to understaqnd from the Word.

Having said this. To actually go so far as to argue this point, RAIN before Noah, is just a little dumb.

All we need to know for certain is that Jesus Christ is Lord, our Salvation, anything else is gravy.

If everyone thinks this topic so important, please bring into mind that there will be many mysteries revealed in their time. Until then, the banter of flesh is useless.

I personally believe it did not rain before the flood. We know the conditions that cause a rainbow. Maybe there wasn't a rainbow before because there wasn't what is needed to make a rainbow- rain.

It took over a hundred years to build the ark, if I remember correctly. Years of rain can result in rotting wood.

Maybe it was hard for people to believe Noah that water would fall from the sky, and not so much how long it would fall, and how much water would accumulate.

Adam and Eve were very exposed to the elements. I imagine they didn't have buildings yet. I suppose they had caves.

Anyways, I think it didn't rain till the flood.
 

Zmouth

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Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
Gen 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

Also rainbows came in to being at this time,and not before.

Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Job 38:1-9

The cloud, or body of gas that covers the earth like a garment is the atmosphere.

It was the firmament in the midst of the the frozen waters that covered the entire face of the Earth in Genesis 1:2

Since the bow (arch or curve) in the atmosphere is due to the earth being a sphere, which the reason it is written that when "the LORD looks upon it" he would remember that he would not strive with man whose days are 120 years.
 

trofimus

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There is nothing in the text saying that the rainbow was seen for the first time.

There is only said that God used the rainbow (appearing after rains) as a sign of the covenant that He will not destroy all humans by flood anymore.
 

kentappel

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It is clear that when I stated there is no evidence to show there was no rain before the flood is clear and that the only evidence available on the subject does not state it didn't rain before the flood.

I bolded the two statements that cannot go together. If there is no evidence, then why did you give evidence? To give it means there was evidence, right?

Honestly? This is one of those things like trying to figure out what Adam and Eve did before the fall. It's fun to do and fun to think out, but all in all that's its only purpose.

The Bible is still a book about God -- not rain patterns on earth, what was paradise like, or even what in the world is a leviathan or unicorn, (since both are in the Bible)?

If it was important about God he would have expounded on it more.
 

kentappel

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No....there was a mist that watered everything.....the earth was like a giant terrarium with a canopy of water encircling the earth....God opened up the windows of heaven and it rained.....look at Hebrew 11:7

By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
The mist watered the garden before there was plant life and before there was man.
 

JaumeJ

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Before Adam sinned the Garden was watered each morning by a mist. This stopped with the fall of man and the loss of the garden...
May God bless you greatly.....amen
The mist watered the garden before there was plant life and before there was man.
 

MadebyHim

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Does it really matter when it rained? We have seen in the Word, God sent the rain(flood). It looks like God had His reasons. Mankind had become so detestable, that God felt enough is enough. i agree with Jaume, this topic doesn't seem that important in bringing us Salvation. The Christ came preaching Kingdom Living. He used things like the flood as an example of how things will be in the end. Thank You for the warning Jesus.
 

kentappel

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Gen 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

One may ask himself, "Does Noah ask, what is rain?"
Good point, Noah didn't ask God what rain is.
 
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Dagallen

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I do not see any Scriptural evidence that rain fell from the skies prior to the flood. As for Noah seeing or not seeing a rainbow before the flood, there is also no scripture that says he did, nor any Scripture that refers to a rainbow prior to Gods promise to place a sign in the heavens that He would never destroy the earth by flood again.

Why would God use the rainbow as a sign if it was a common sight?

From what I read, the earth was watered by a high level of humidity in the air, and water that came up from the earth itself. I do not believe it rained prior to the flood, nor do I believe there is Scripture that proves it did.

(my thoughts)
So are you saying the flood that drove Adam and Eve out of the garden and Noahs flood was the same flood ?
 

Bladerunner

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It rained after Adam sinned.

Scripture to verify this please.



It has been my experience the the Bible has very little scripture of what is not but rather what is..Thus the absence of What is, you might concluded that there was no rain until the flood.

Having said that,,, there are several scientific articles that suggest a 'canopy of mist' was present during this time period.. There is also evidence that some of the larger Dinosaurs had nostrils the size of todays horses. Thus a mist type atmosphere resulting in an increase of O2 content would be needed to support these Behemoths.

Again this is all speculation on my part but I have also found that man-kinds science not only proves some portions of the Bible but also proves it was created by a divine hand.
 

JaumeJ

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When it comes to God's Word, I never conclude on my own, but I do make determinations. It stands to reason if the Garden had been watered by a daily morning mist until Adam fell to sin, there was no more mist afterwards. Man was obliged to work the land, pland, cultivate and harvest. Now by this I determine with no mist, there was rain. If there should have been no rain, then Adam somehow concocted an irrigation system from a fresh water source.

As for it not being metnioned before teh Flood, God told Noah that He was goign to cause it to rain. Noah had no need to ask what rain is snce he must have already known..........

I am following a trail of reasonable determination on this question. Now, this question is really of no importance to me nor to anyone but if you and others wish to make it a salvation or no salvation topic.......keep up the dispute.

Scripture to verify this please.



It has been my experience the the Bible has very little scripture of what is not but rather what is..Thus the absence of What is, you might concluded that there was no rain until the flood.

Having said that,,, there are several scientific articles that suggest a 'canopy of mist' was present during this time period.. There is also evidence that some of the larger Dinosaurs had nostrils the size of todays horses. Thus a mist type atmosphere resulting in an increase of O2 content would be needed to support these Behemoths.

Again this is all speculation on my part but I have also found that man-kinds science not only proves some portions of the Bible but also proves it was created by a divine hand.
 

RickyZ

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I'm going to hate myself for asking this, but if the earth is flat how did Noah's flood not just drain off the edges?

;)
 

JaumeJ

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RickyZ....ya just never know now, do ya?

I'm going to hate myself for asking this, but if the earth is flat how did Noah's flood not just drain off the edges?

;)