Did it rain before the flood?

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kentappel

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There is no evidence it did not ever rain before Noah's flood but some pastors quote that rain didn't come upon the earth before them. These pastors state it as fact.

The only evidence is from Genesis 2 below.

Genesis 2:4-6

[SUP]4 [/SUP]This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, [SUP]5 [/SUP]before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; [SUP]6 [/SUP]but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.

Notice in the passage above from Genesis 2 that it hadn't rained before God created plants and herbs and before man had been created. It does not say it didn't rain after God created man, plants, and herbs.


Even the passages about Noah seeing something no one had ever seen before does not mean no one had never rain before as in fact it is very well talking about no one had ever seen such a huge flood before so that doesn't prove it didn't rain yet before the flood.
 

JaumeJ

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It rained after Adam sinned.
 
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i dont think so, it would explain the major deal made about the rainbow if noah hadn't seen 1 before. because it hadn't rained before or atleast the correct atmospheric conditions for a rainbow to appear hadn't happened during noahs lifetime, although i prefer my first assumption..
.just my 2 pennies worth,
 
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notuptome

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Men mocked Noah because he said there would be a flood brought by God. Noah believed God would bring the rain and flood the earth. If it had rained before men would not have been so bold as to mock God.

For the cause of Christ
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There is no evidence it did not ever rain before Noah's flood but some pastors quote that rain didn't come upon the earth before them. These pastors state it as fact.

The only evidence is from Genesis 2 below.

Genesis 2:4-6

[SUP]4 [/SUP]This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, [SUP]5 [/SUP]before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; [SUP]6 [/SUP]but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.

Notice in the passage above from Genesis 2 that it hadn't rained before God created plants and herbs and before man had been created. It does not say it didn't rain after God created man, plants, and herbs.


Even the passages about Noah seeing something no one had ever seen before does not mean no one had never rain before as in fact it is very well talking about no one had ever seen such a huge flood before so that doesn't prove it didn't rain yet before the flood.
I bolded the two statements that cannot go together. If there is no evidence, then why did you give evidence? To give it means there was evidence, right?

Honestly? This is one of those things like trying to figure out what Adam and Eve did before the fall. It's fun to do and fun to think out, but all in all that's its only purpose.

The Bible is still a book about God -- not rain patterns on earth, what was paradise like, or even what in the world is a leviathan or unicorn, (since both are in the Bible)?

If it was important about God he would have expounded on it more.
 

kentappel

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i dont think so, it would explain the major deal made about the rainbow if noah hadn't seen 1 before. because it hadn't rained before or atleast the correct atmospheric conditions for a rainbow to appear hadn't happened during noahs lifetime, although i prefer my first assumption..
.just my 2 pennies worth,
But it doesn't say Noah had not seen a rainbow before and it doesn't say it was a major deal that there was a rainbow just that God set His rainbow in the clouds and that it was a convenant that He wouldn't destroy the life in the world by a flood again.
 
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did the 'mist' and the whole creation change its nature through the sin of the 'man and woman'?

it says that the 'whole creation 'groans' waiting for the 'manifestations of the 'sons of God'...

and it says that after the reformation, back to Eden, 'the lion shall eat straw like the ox'....
 
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No....there was a mist that watered everything.....the earth was like a giant terrarium with a canopy of water encircling the earth....God opened up the windows of heaven and it rained.....look at Hebrew 11:7

By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
 

maxwel

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No....there was a mist that watered everything.....the earth was like a giant terrarium with a canopy of water encircling the earth....God opened up the windows of heaven and it rained.....look at Hebrew 11:7

By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
So... it was moldy and it smelled funny?
 
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hummm----I don't remember.
 

p_rehbein

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I do not see any Scriptural evidence that rain fell from the skies prior to the flood. As for Noah seeing or not seeing a rainbow before the flood, there is also no scripture that says he did, nor any Scripture that refers to a rainbow prior to Gods promise to place a sign in the heavens that He would never destroy the earth by flood again.

Why would God use the rainbow as a sign if it was a common sight?

From what I read, the earth was watered by a high level of humidity in the air, and water that came up from the earth itself. I do not believe it rained prior to the flood, nor do I believe there is Scripture that proves it did.

(my thoughts)
 

JaumeJ

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Gen 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

One may ask himself, "Does Noah ask, what is rain?"
 

trofimus

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Of course it did. For millions years before Noah.
 
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Gen 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

One may ask himself, "Does Noah ask, what is rain?"
There is a scene in one of the Harry Potter movies that I like. Dumbledore (Harry's mentor) tells Harry to go with him, and Harry does. Then Dumbledore takes him to a man who is obviously hiding, introduces the man to Harry, (and the man is definitely interested in Harry because Harry is famous), then goes to the loo, brings out a knitting magazine, and asks the man if he can have it. The man makes it clear he wants to stay hidden, so Dumbledore doesn't even argue with him, just walks out with Harry. (Which makes the man go chasing them and promises to join them.)

After that's over, Dumbledore tells Harry, "I imagine you are wondering why I brought you here."

Harry says, "To tell you the truth, I've given up wondering and just go with it."

I'd like to be that way with God. Maybe Noah was.
 

JaumeJ

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It is not a matter of having faith no matter what. `When Adam and eve were yet at peace in the Garden, there was amorning mist that God provided to water the ÇGarden.

After Adam's fall (mankind's fall) he was to work they land for produce and earn his keep by the sweat of his brow. I do not think this could possibly have meant the mist was yet appearing each morning since the Garden was taken from him

The entire world needed water for its vegetation and wild life, and there were not yet men to till the soil everywhere, so it stands to erason rain in due season had begun after the mist was taken away, except for the flood, there has been rain since the Garden. I am going with it.................

The entire thread here is moot when it comes to salvation and/or true wisdom since everything that can be seen is destined to burn in the fire next time.....
 
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There is no evidence it did not ever rain before Noah's flood but some pastors quote that rain didn't come upon the earth before them. These pastors state it as fact.

The only evidence is from Genesis 2 below.

Genesis 2:4-6

[SUP]4 [/SUP]This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, [SUP]5 [/SUP]before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; [SUP]6 [/SUP]but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.

Notice in the passage above from Genesis 2 that it hadn't rained before God created plants and herbs and before man had been created. It does not say it didn't rain after God created man, plants, and herbs.


Even the passages about Noah seeing something no one had ever seen before does not mean no one had never rain before as in fact it is very well talking about no one had ever seen such a huge flood before so that doesn't prove it didn't rain yet before the flood.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Gen 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

God did not cause it to rain,but there went up a mist from the earth,and watered the whole face of the ground,which a river went out of Eden to water the garden.

But did it rain later on after Adam and Eve were ousted from the garden,because conditions were different that they had to them till the ground for food,instead of having it easy in the garden where they only had to dress the garden,like prune it,and there would be a cause for rain because of the different circumstance they were in concerning the ground and fending for their own food,by sowing and planting.

Gen 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

We do not read of rain again until the flood.

I do not believe that it rained upon earth until the flood,but misted up from ground,and by it never raining before could be one of the biggest reasons that the people did not believe Noah when he warned them of the flood,which I am sure he would have to tell them.

Gen 7:10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Gen 8:1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
Gen 8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained.

The water came from beneath and above in the flood.

I do not believe it rained until the flood.

Gen 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
Gen 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

Also rainbows came in to being at this time,and not before.
 

SCHISM

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I'll probably have to rent that Russell Crowe movie and get back to you all on this. You know, that one where a man is chosen by his world's creator to undertake a momentous mission before an apocalyptic flood cleanses the world.