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EvanWood

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I've not been on this site long, but there is definitely alot of arguing going on. I am not perfect, and I get caught up in this too. But then the Word of God is sharper than a double edged sword. I thought I'd share a little of what the Lord has put on my heart.

Proverbs 20:3 It is honorable for a man to stop striving, since any fool can start a quarrel.

2 Timothy 2:23-25 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,

James 3:13-18 Who is wise in understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
 
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Karraster

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Hi, and welcome to CC. (belated as it is)

Good reminder to us all, thanks. :)

Perhaps some harsh words might be avoided were it not rapid fire responces. It's a daily endeavor to answer with love, not malice. Like everything else, practice makes it easier to do.
 
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EvanWood said:
I've not been on this site long, but there is definitely alot of arguing going on. I am not perfect, and I get caught up in this too. But then the Word of God is sharper than a double edged sword. I thought I'd share a little of what the Lord has put on my heart.

Proverbs 20:3 It is honorable for a man to stop striving, since any fool can start a quarrel.

2 Timothy 2:23-25 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,

James 3:13-18 Who is wise in understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
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Hi Evan,

Many here agree with you. We all fail at some point. I think it's good to pray as we type. I've typed something on a post and then looked at it and allowed the Spirit to speak to me that I was reacting out of the flesh. So I cancelled the post I was about to reply with. But when I don't do that and react, I then have had to ask for forgiveness when I blew it.

Thanks for the scriptures and the exhortation. We always need reminding to be loving and kind to one another especially when we disagree with one another. God bless you and here's another belated welcome to CC.
 
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how often this very same thread is made by so many different people
 
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posthuman said:

how often this very same thread is made by so many different people
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Very! Maybe it will have an affect on different people at different stages on here? Hopefully :)
 
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Saved502

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Why all the arguing and debating? Even as Christians some people just can't help themselves. Its fairly obvious to see some people are only here in an attempt to prove their ideas and opinions are correct. It fair to say they've already failed. For the word of God is the only one of importance.
 
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Sometimes we have to step back---- and take a deep breath...
 
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EvanWood said:
I've not been on this site long, but there is definitely alot of arguing going on. I am not perfect, and I get caught up in this too. But then the Word of God is sharper than a double edged sword. I thought I'd share a little of what the Lord has put on my heart.

Proverbs 20:3 It is honorable for a man to stop striving, since any fool can start a quarrel.

2 Timothy 2:23-25 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,

James 3:13-18 Who is wise in understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
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Theres a difference between arguing and debating. Arguing is self-centered, and done out of anger. It is like a tennis ball going back and forth without change, such as- "Yes it is." "No it isn't." "Yes it is." "No it isn't." "Yes it is!" "No it isn't!"

Whereas debating is centered on teaching the other person, for their good, or just for good in general. It changes, each time they have something new for the other person to consider, as you consider what they have to say.

Arguing is wrong. Debating is not only right, but commanded- we are to teach God's word and expose man-made doctrines that lead to destruction. Sometimes doing what's right is credited as wrongdoing, and sometimes mere disagreement is viewed as insult or cruelty, when they are not.
 
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Ephesians 4:26-27
Be angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:Neither give place to the devil.
 
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OneFaith said:
Theres a difference between arguing and debating. Arguing is self-centered, and done out of anger. It is like a tennis ball going back and forth without change, such as- "Yes it is." "No it isn't." "Yes it is." "No it isn't." "Yes it is!" "No it isn't!"

Whereas debating is centered on teaching the other person, for their good, or just for good in general. It changes, each time they have something new for the other person to consider, as you consider what they have to say.

Arguing is wrong. Debating is not only right, but commanded- we are to teach God's word and expose man-made doctrines that lead to destruction. Sometimes doing what's right is credited as wrongdoing, and sometimes mere disagreement is viewed as insult or cruelty, when they are not.
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Thank you for bringing this out!

It is working out what scripture truly says that makes this site so useful, that can only be done by letting others hear us and listening to others. We all see darkly through a glass, but many Christians working together can see more clearly.

Just as in OT times, we get on the wrong track at times. We must be on wrong tracks now or we wouldn't have so many different denominations. We need to find the true way. This takes as much listening to others and comparing what they say with the word as it does telling our viewpoint.

When we do this it does not have to include sin of judging others or calling them names. We are told not to so much as call each other fools, and we are told that judging belongs to the Lord only. The Lord gives us each freedom to choose our own way, but that doesn't mean the Lord does not instruct us with His truth that we are free to follow or reject. If the Lord gives us freedom to choose, surely we can see that for us to say others must follow a certain way is not right for us to do.

We can each search for the right way to live and disagree about what that is but still allow each to follow their own way. We can say their understanding is wrong and tell why we think so without demanding they understand and do our way.


 
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The aim for not arguing is to be blameless and harmless:

"Do all things without murmurings [complaining] and disputings [arguing]: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world." (Philippians 2:14-15)
 
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Saved502

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OneFaith said:
Theres a difference between arguing and debating. Arguing is self-centered, and done out of anger. It is like a tennis ball going back and forth without change, such as- "Yes it is." "No it isn't." "Yes it is." "No it isn't." "Yes it is!" "No it isn't!"

Whereas debating is centered on teaching the other person, for their good, or just for good in general. It changes, each time they have something new for the other person to consider, as you consider what they have to say.

Arguing is wrong. Debating is not only right, but commanded- we are to teach God's word and expose man-made doctrines that lead to destruction. Sometimes doing what's right is credited as wrongdoing, and sometimes mere disagreement is viewed as insult or cruelty, when they are not.
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You said teaching.... Teaching is not the same as debating. Debating is nothing more than organized arguing. The word of God should not be up for debate. No one has the right to bully or demean someone just because they don't believe as you. I've seen people on here even goes as far as to quote bible commentaries on here. The words within a commentary are not fact. They are nothing more than the opinion of the author.
 
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Saved502

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You people need to realize how wrong you are. You'll never know how many came into this forum looking for God and his love and turned around and left because on the outside this place looks great. Now that I'm here I have to say there are many wolves and piranhas in here. Such nonsense to see the way people act in here. And to think you call yourselves Christians.
 
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You people need to realize how wrong you are. You'll never know how many came into this forum looking for God and his love and turned around and left because on the outside this place looks great. Now that I'm here I have to say there are many wolves and piranhas in here. Such nonsense to see the way people act in here. And to think you call yourselves Christians.
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And... again.

Yeesh! Laying your problem on everyone else surely never gets old, does it?

I still have trust in God enough to know he always always gets his way. If someone is searching, he/she will find God. And mere humans cannot stop that, (thankfully.)
 
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Saved502

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And... again.

Yeesh! Laying your problem on everyone else surely never gets old, does it?

I still have trust in God enough to know he always always gets his way. If someone is searching, he/she will find God. And mere humans cannot stop that, (thankfully.)
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I'm confused. What problem of mine did I lay on anyone else?
I just don't want to see someone place their opinion of the word above the word itself. And that is what is happening in here.
 
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As long as men resist the truth there will be strife.

Ro 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
DustyRhodes

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egos reign supreme...in the end it all comes down to...love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself...love fulfils all the law...most of the disagreement is about method so we revert to rule #1 love God...so let's turn on our love light and turn off our egos
 
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Do you not think that true love is to tell the truth? Peace to avoid strife and agreement with wrong thinking when it comes to ones salvation...is never good.

Jesus set the world on fire and has caused division. Good or bad?
 
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LaurenTM

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stonesoffire said:
Do you not think that true love is to tell the truth? Peace to avoid strife and agreement with wrong thinking when it comes to ones salvation...is never good.

Jesus set the world on fire and has caused division. Good or bad?
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yeah

not really

can't you see the entire argument is about who has the truth ?

Jesus did not set the world on fire...but it's gonna burn one of these days......

metaphors do not good doctrine make...

calling people names and demoting their intelligence to a garden hose is not what Jesus had in mind
 
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