A clear explanation of the Trinity

bluto · Jan 7, 2017

Well that begs the question ron? How could the Holy Spirt leave straightaway from Jesus who is the spotless sinless Savior. There is no sin in Him. Jesus Christ "bore" our sins in His body, not in His spirit. 1 Peter 2:24, "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, (why ron?) that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed." Are following along with this ron?

PS: And what do you mean Jesus has the fullness of the Godhead so to speak? Colossians 2:16 clearly states that all the fullness of the Godhead (Godhead simply means Deity). In other words all of the fullness of God is in Jesus Christ bodily, not so to speak. He's God the Son.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Depleted · Jan 7, 2017

ZacharyB said:

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God has chosen to reveal Himself to us as being
a Triune Godhead of 3 Persons or 3 Manifestations.
He has revealed Himself as being One God in 3 Persons.
What is not so clear is exactly WHY He chose to do this.
All Scriptures are from the NKJV.

Let us begin with Father God and the Word (Jesus Christ)
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
(Father) God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1)
“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1:14)
“Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God.
Amen.” (Romans 9:5)
Note: “Christ” is the Greek word for the Hebrew word “Messiah”

Now let us introduce the Holy Spirit
The archangel Gabriel instructed the virgin Mary …
“… you shall call His name JESUS. He will be great, and
will be called the Son of the Highest … the Holy Spirit (God)
will come upon you … therefore, also, that Holy One who
is to be born will be called the Son of God” (Luke 1:31-35)
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows:
When His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph,
before they came together (she was a virgin) she was
found to be with child of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 1:18)
So, we see that Joseph was not Jesus’ father,
but the Holy Spirit (God) was His father.
This explains why the Bible can say that God had a “Son”.
The Word from heaven became God’s “Son” on earth.

More details about the Second Person of the Triune Godhead
“For a Child is born to us, a Son is given to us …
And He will be called: … Mighty God …” (Isaiah 9:6)
“… and they shall call His name Immanuel, which is translated,
‘God with us’.” (Matthew 1:23) – so said an angel of the Lord
“The Father and I are one.” (John 10:30) – so said Jesus
Jesus was (and is) the Creator and the Sustainer of all things:
“God who created all things through Jesus Christ” (Ephesians 3:9)
“Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things” (1 Corinthians 8:6)
“sustains all by the mighty power of His command” (Hebrews 1:3)
“it is His power that holds everything together” (Colossians 1:17)
And Jesus is the Giver of eternal life:
“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life” (John 10:27)
Truly, Jesus is everything, including … the bread of life – the light of the world
– I AM (the God of Exodus 3:14) – the door (to salvation) – the good shepherd
– the resurrection and the life – the way, the truth, and the life (John 6:35,
John 8:12, John 8:24/58, John 10:9, John 10:11, John 11:25, John 14:6).

More details about the Third Person of the Triune Godhead
“If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray to the Father,
and He will give you another Helper (Comforter, Advocate, etc.),
that He may abide with you forever — the Spirit of truth, whom the
world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him;
but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.” (John 14:15-18)
– “another” is the Greek word “allos” (meaning “another of the same kind”)
“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make Our home with him.” (John 14:23)
– Father God and Jesus promise to indwell the true believer as the Holy Spirit.
Many NT verses teach that believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,
He will teach you all things …” (John 14:26)
One of the more famous passages is …
“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
… You have not lied to men but to God.” (Acts 4:3-4)
There are about 30 NT verses in which all 3 Persons of the Trinity are mentioned
… as if They are indeed equal.

There is a lot more, but this should suffice to prove ...
the Holy Bible reveals to us that God wishes to reveal Himself
as being one God in 3 Persons (or Manifestations).

Nope. Sorry. Didn't clear it up for me.

I really do know God is triune. I just cannot entirely picture it. Your title made me think, "Maybe this is the time someone can help me see it." (Probably not your plan, but not like I can't dream the dream. lol)

Nope. Sorry. Still not clear to me.

The thing that helps me the most with this is, "If I could actually picture God, I've surely made him either too small or too human. He is neither. The finite cannot conceive of the infinite." And that has to keep doing it for me, until (if) I ever get the clear picture even in heaven.

Nice try though.

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MultilingualMessenger said:

I'm one of those people who do get tripped up on the whole "person" thing. Person = human being. God's not. I'm not entirely sure what a manifestation is, but it's not a human being, so it works better for me. (I prefer substance, but that's not quite it either.)

I can't help it. I'm anal.

JesusRules1 · Jan 7, 2017

Father,God's parental role in our life,and He is the Father of spirits.

Son-God's visible relationship to the saints.

Contrary to what a lot of people believe the only person we will see in heaven is Jesus,for the right hand of God does not mean that Jesus sits on a throne next to the Father.

There is one throne in heaven and one who sits on it(Revelation 4:1-2),which is the throne of God and the Lamb(Revelation 22:1-5),God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,as God shines out of that body and lights the New Jerusalem(Revelation 21:23),which Jesus said on earth to Philip,if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father,and the words I speak are not of My own but the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works(John 14:7-10),which in the Old Testament God said one day the Jews would know His name,behold it is I that does speak(Isaiah 52:5-6).

There is one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus(1 Timothy 2:5),and Jesus said all power is given to Him in heaven and earth(Matthew 28:18),which the man Christ Jesus is our Savior for only a sinless man can reconcile mankind to God(2 Corinthians 5:18-19:Isaiah 59:15-21),which no man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh(1 Timothy 3:16).

David said,the LORD said unto my Lord,sit at My right hand,until I make your enemies your footstool(Psalm 110:1;Acts 2:34-35),and in another place that the Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered,the last one being death,and when all His enemies are conquered,then the Son shall be subject unto God,that God may be all in all(1 Corinthians 15:24-28).

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power,which is being at His right hand,until His enemies are conquered,and the saints are with Jesus,then the Son will be subject unto God,stop exercising the throne of power,which means cease being at the right hand of God,that God may be all in all.

Of course Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,but God is ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints until His enemies are conquered,and then God will stop ruling through the man Christ Jesus that God may be all in all.

I know we been taught that Jesus sits next to the Father,but the Bible says there is only one throne in heaven,and one who sits on it,which is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,and Jesus is the express image of God,and if you have seen Jesus then you have seen the Father,and being at the right hand is a temporary role until His enemies are conquered,then He will not be at the right hand anymore that God may be all in all.

Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven,and is God's visible relationship to the saints for eternity,which if we see Jesus we see the Father.

Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints.

Father-God is our parent.
Son-God's visible relationship to the saints.
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is more than a visible manifestation of God,but He is also an invisible God that we can never see,and we only need to see one visible manifestation of the invisible God.

Rondonmon · Jan 8, 2017

bluto said:

The Sin was ON JESUS, He paid for our Sins, hr had all the Sins of mankind, each murder, every thief's misdeeds, ever sinners sin was upon him, having felt the guilt of sins, can you image the stain upon our Lord ? He bared our sins for us. There was no sin in Jesus, but our sins were UPON HIM. Thus an offering was made, and this is why Jesus told Mary, "Don't Touch me" for I have not yet ascended to the Father........He had an offering against all of our sins.

And the SPIRIT lives in the BODY. If you can't understand the difference between the fullness of the Godhead and the Fullness of the Fathers Glory, I can't explain it, it is what it is.

jb · Jan 8, 2017

For those interested you can find a section in This study on The Trinity and so forth...

ZacharyB · Jan 8, 2017

Rondonmon said:

Yes, this is rather hidden in John 14:23 where Jesus says:
If you obey My commands, the Father and I will come and live with you (i.e. inside of you)!
In the form of the Holy Spirit, Who is "another" (Greek: "allos") of the same kind as They are
(also courtesy of John 14).

So, it appears to be kind of a conditional dwelling.

ZacharyB · Jan 8, 2017

jb said:

I don't know ... if I walk into a room, haven't I manifested myself in(to) dat room?

ZacharyB · Jan 8, 2017

Depleted said:

IMO, most everyone has always said, "Man just cannot comprehend this Trinity thing!"

Hey, don't feel bad ... it's no big deal.

'Cause we are just supposed to put our faith in (trust) the Scriptures.

And I have shown that the Scriptures teach ...
God desires to reveal Himself to man as being 3 "Persons" in one God.

popeye · Jan 8, 2017

He was not manifested as a man. He became man. He is STILL both man and God

popeye · Jan 8, 2017

ZacharyB said:

Well,you could say " the manifest presence of God",or "God manifested himself in their midst"

But concerning his person,he is not a manifestation.

popeye · Jan 8, 2017

The early church fathers had to get in agreement what they could and could not say.

The Catholics martyred many good godly men over trying to make them believe and say the wrong thing.

Some said "we can not,FOR CONSCIOUS SAKE."

popeye · Jan 8, 2017

And then they died. Awesome powerful stuff.

Every believer should read foxes' book of martyrs.

It becomes DNA in your being.

Martyrdom has to be settled in your gut. We would be privileged to be martyrs. It is the highest ground,and the highest reward in heaven.

No better way,than to die a martyr. A true soldier.

Settle it,embrace it,and then be willing to drink it.

dcontroversal · Jan 8, 2017

You know God is so far above us and infinite....and the evidence is found throughout the bible concerning One God revealed in three persons....even Genesis when God said let US make an in OUR image points to 3 as Hebrew has singular, dual (pairs) and plural three or more.....we have an infinite God revealing himself to humanity and even though we have numerous verses that testify to the Godhead......we are still limited by our finite minds.....

we find verses and statements like...

The Spirit is (be verb) THE TRUTH
Jesus is the physical ICON (image) of the invisible Heavenly Father (Hebrews 1)
I and my Father are one....
Immerse in the name of the FATHER, THE SON and the HOLY SPIRIT

I view God like this...

Intellect-->Heavenly Father
Physical--->Jesus
Spirit, Breath or Word---->Holy Spirit

a celestial, triune, spiritual being of light that dwells in light....revealing himself to clay pots animated by his spirit and breath.......we are like the amoeba in the dish trying to understand the scientist behind the microscope.......at this stage we cannot accurately describe, comprehend or understand fully the entire scope of God..........just saying.....

LaurenTM · Jan 8, 2017

ZacharyB said:

no

just no

scripture is more than plain that the Trinity are three PERSONS...however they can manifest in different ways

and you are doing an injustice to the Holy Spirit...He is so much more!

and yet you say few people understand the Trinity...perhaps you were being introspective?

so many consider themselves a teacher yet so few actually are

LaurenTM · Jan 8, 2017

ZacharyB said:

let's take a look at what manifestation actually means

Definition of manifestation

1a : the act, process, or an instance of manifestingb (1) : something that manifests or is manifest (2) : a perceptible, outward, or visible expressionc : one of the forms in which an individual is manifestedd : an occult phenomenon; specifically : materialization
2: a public demonstration of power and purpose

it ain't you bro

Depleted · Jan 8, 2017

ZacharyB said:

Butttt, were you somebody else before you walked into it?

ZacharyB · Jan 11, 2017

popeye said:

Yes, and read "The Great Controversy" by Ellen G. White.
It is a tremendous summary (crock full of references) of
the incredibly-horrendous history of Catholicism vs. Protestantism.

PREPARE to be a martyr for the Lord Jesus!

FreeNChrist · Jan 11, 2017

ZacharyB said:

Ahhhh, the false prophetess Ellen G White. That explains much.

ZacharyB · Jan 11, 2017

LaurenTM said:

What you just said is ... each of the Trinity can manifest in different ways!
Yes, you continue to blow my mind.

The #1 truth to grasp is that all 3 Persons are in 100% TOTAL UNITY OF PURPOSE, etc.
Any time you have One of Them, you have all Three ... guaranteed!

Also, since God is absolutely everywhere and knows absolutely everything,
why is it such a big deal to accept Him as ONLY 3 "Manifestations"?

I.E. The one-and-only Living God is constantly manifesting Himself
as an endless number of "Manifestations" everywhere all at the same time!

A clear explanation of the Trinity

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