A clear explanation of the Trinity

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God has chosen to reveal Himself to us as being
a Triune Godhead of 3 Persons or 3 Manifestations.
He has revealed Himself as being One God in 3 Persons.
What is not so clear is exactly WHY He chose to do this.
All Scriptures are from the NKJV.

Let us begin with Father God and the Word (Jesus Christ)
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
(Father) God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1)
“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1:14)
“Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God.
Amen.” (Romans 9:5)
Note: “Christ” is the Greek word for the Hebrew word “Messiah”

Now let us introduce the Holy Spirit
The archangel Gabriel instructed the virgin Mary …
“… you shall call His name JESUS. He will be great, and
will be called the Son of the Highest … the Holy Spirit (God)
will come upon you … therefore, also, that Holy One who
is to be born will be called the Son of God” (Luke 1:31-35)
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows:
When His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph,
before they came together (she was a virgin) she was
found to be with child of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 1:18)
So, we see that Joseph was not Jesus’ father,
but the Holy Spirit (God) was His father.
This explains why the Bible can say that God had a “Son”.
The Word from heaven became God’s “Son” on earth.

More details about the Second Person of the Triune Godhead
“For a Child is born to us, a Son is given to us …
And He will be called: … Mighty God …” (Isaiah 9:6)
“… and they shall call His name Immanuel, which is translated,
God with us’.” (Matthew 1:23) – so said an angel of the Lord
“The Father and I are one.” (John 10:30) – so said Jesus
Jesus was (and is) the Creator and the Sustainer of all things:
“God who created all things through Jesus Christ” (Ephesians 3:9)
“Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things” (1 Corinthians 8:6)
“sustains all by the mighty power of His command” (Hebrews 1:3)
it is His power that holds everything together” (Colossians 1:17)
And Jesus is the Giver of eternal life:
“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life” (John 10:27)
Truly, Jesus is everything, including … the bread of life – the light of the world
– I AM (the God of Exodus 3:14) – the door (to salvation) – the good shepherd
– the resurrection and the life – the way, the truth, and the life (John 6:35,
John 8:12, John 8:24/58, John 10:9, John 10:11, John 11:25, John 14:6).

More details about the Third Person of the Triune Godhead
“If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray to the Father,
and He will give you another Helper (Comforter, Advocate, etc.),
that He may abide with you forever — the Spirit of truth, whom the
world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him;
but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.” (John 14:15-18)
– “another” is the Greek word “allos” (meaning “another of the same kind”)
“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make Our home with him.” (John 14:23)
– Father God and Jesus promise to indwell the true believer as the Holy Spirit.
Many NT verses teach that believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,
He will teach you all things …” (John 14:26)
One of the more famous passages is …
“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
… You have not lied to men but to God.” (Acts 4:3-4)
There are about 30 NT verses in which all 3 Persons of the Trinity are mentioned
… as if They are indeed equal.

There is a lot more, but this should suffice to prove ...
the Holy Bible reveals to us that God wishes to reveal Himself
as being one God in 3 Persons (or Manifestations).
 
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HisHolly

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1 Tim 6:14-16... He alone is immortal.. Jesus died and rose,.. can you tell me how to reconcile what you say with these I have?
 

p_rehbein

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Simple explanation:

God the Father: God OF man

God the Son: God AS man

God the Holy Spirit: God WITHIN man

About as simple as it gets.
 

Rondonmon

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Three in one and all the same but different. God showed me this a while back.

You take a three trillion gallon reservoir, and ever drop of water is the EXACT SAME, has the exact same chemical make up, etc. etc. etc. This is like the Father, Sin, and Holy Spirit.

They are all three made up of the EXACT SAME PROPERTIES (Love, Joy, Hope, Peace, Merciful, Kindness etc.) but all three have different offices. The Son is the Redeemer, the Holy Spirit is the Comforter and the Father has the Abundance of the Glory.

You take 100 Gallons of this water (Jesus) and pour it over your head, you will be soaked no doubt, but you will be OK. Now you take another 100 Gallons of this water (Holy Spirit) and pour it over your head, you will again be soaking wet, but OK. NOW.......Take all THREE TRILLION GALLONS of the water (Gods Full Glory) and pour it over your head, and you will surly die/drown. GOD HAS THE ABUNDANCE OF THE GLORY !!

Jesus is the express image of God, but not the FULLNESS OF GOD. They are made up exactly the same, love, joy, peace, hope, mercy, etc. etc., bit the Father alone has the fullness of the Glory.

Has anyone ever wondered why Jesus on the cross said "My God, My God, why have you forsaken (left) me ? I actually hear people say he just said that to fulfill the prophecy. No, Jesus said that because God can not come into the presence of sin, and Jesus had all the worlds sin upon him, so God had to leave Jesus on the cross alone to pay the penance for our sins.

The three are EXACTLY THE SAME, but with different offices. The Father has the abundance of the Glory, Moses couldn't even look upon Him. Men looked upon Jesus, men have the Holy Spirit in them, if all of God was in a man, he would be destroyed, our body couldn't handle the Glory.
 
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1 Tim 6:14-16... He alone is immortal.. Jesus died and rose,.. can you tell me how to reconcile what you say with these I have?
Thou art going to be just a tad more specific ... I didn't have my Wheaties this am.
 
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Simple explanation:

God the Father: God OF man
God the Son: God AS man
God the Holy Spirit: God WITHIN man

About as simple as it gets.
Yes, but this is man's opinion ... I proved it only from the Scriptures.

Problem is: one needs to believe the Scriptures in order to believe in the Trinity.

Lots of non-believers out there.
 

jb

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Triune Godhead of 3 Persons or 3 Manifestations.

as being one God in 3 Persons (or Manifestations).
The Trinity is NOT made up of 3 "Manifestations" BUT 3 Persons!

To say that the Godhead is made up of 3 "Manifesations" is wrong and nowhere in Scripture are they referred to as "Manifestations." The Truth from the Scriptures clearly reveal that They are 3 "Persons."
 
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The three are EXACTLY THE SAME, but with different offices.
The Father is the Administrator.
The Son is the ___________ ... can't remember ... many possibilities, e.g. the Sacrificial Lamb.
The Holy Spirit is the Worker.
 
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The Trinity is NOT made up of 3 "Manifestations" BUT 3 Persons!

To say that the Godhead is made up of 3 "Manifesations" is wrong and nowhere in Scripture are they referred to as "Manifestations." The Truth from the Scriptures clearly reveal that They are 3 "Persons."
Manifestations is more palatable to those who can't accept Persons.

God IS manifested to us in 3 different ways.
 

jb

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Manifestations is more palatable to those who can't accept Persons.

God IS manifested to us in 3 different ways.
When you refer to the Godhead as being made up of 3 "Manifestations" you are venturing into the heresy of Modalistic Monarchianism which was unhesitatingly rejected as "destructive heresy" by the early Church!

They are NOT 3 "Manifestations" BUT 3 "Persons"!

If you do not understand this I advise you to go and study the Scriptures on the subject of the Godhead!

There is a VAST difference between 3 "Persons" and 3 "Manifestations"!
 
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Even though I disagree with much that Zach believes and promotes....in all fairness he word manifested is used to describe Christ being pressed out in flesh!

New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.


English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Berean Study Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, was taken up in glory.

Berean Literal Bible
And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness: Who was revealed in the flesh, was justified in the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

New American Standard Bible
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

King James Bible
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.



When you refer to the Godhead as being made up of 3 "Manifestations" you are venturing into the heresy of Modalistic Monarchianism which was unhesitatingly rejected as "destructive heresy" by the early Church!

They are NOT 3 "Manifestations" BUT 3 "Persons"!

If you do not understand this I advise you to go and study the Scriptures on the subject of the Godhead!

There is a VAST difference between 3 "Persons" and 3 "Manifestations"!
 

bluto

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Three in one and all the same but different. God showed me this a while back.

You take a three trillion gallon reservoir, and ever drop of water is the EXACT SAME, has the exact same chemical make up, etc. etc. etc. This is like the Father, Sin, and Holy Spirit.

They are all three made up of the EXACT SAME PROPERTIES (Love, Joy, Hope, Peace, Merciful, Kindness etc.) but all three have different offices. The Son is the Redeemer, the Holy Spirit is the Comforter and the Father has the Abundance of the Glory.

You take 100 Gallons of this water (Jesus) and pour it over your head, you will be soaked no doubt, but you will be OK. Now you take another 100 Gallons of this water (Holy Spirit) and pour it over your head, you will again be soaking wet, but OK. NOW.......Take all THREE TRILLION GALLONS of the water (Gods Full Glory) and pour it over your head, and you will surly die/drown. GOD HAS THE ABUNDANCE OF THE GLORY !!

Jesus is the express image of God, but not the FULLNESS OF GOD. They are made up exactly the same, love, joy, peace, hope, mercy, etc. etc., bit the Father alone has the fullness of the Glory.

Has anyone ever wondered why Jesus on the cross said "My God, My God, why have you forsaken (left) me ? I actually hear people say he just said that to fulfill the prophecy. No, Jesus said that because God can not come into the presence of sin, and Jesus had all the worlds sin upon him, so God had to leave Jesus on the cross alone to pay the penance for our sins.

The three are EXACTLY THE SAME, but with different offices. The Father has the abundance of the Glory, Moses couldn't even look upon Him. Men looked upon Jesus, men have the Holy Spirit in them, if all of God was in a man, he would be destroyed, our body couldn't handle the Glory.
You said this ron, "Jesus is the express image of God, but not the FULLNESS OF GOD." Can you explain why Colossians 2:9 says the opposite of what you just said? "For in Him/Jesus Chris ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD DWELLS IN BODILY FORM."

Secondly, you also said this: "Has anyone ever wondered why Jesus on the cross said "My God, My God, why have you forsaken (left) me ? I actually hear people say he just said that to fulfill the prophecy. No, Jesus said that because God can not come into the presence of sin, and Jesus had all the worlds sin upon him, so God had to leave Jesus on the cross alone to pay the penance for our sins."

I can tell you first hand I was taught the same thing 45-50 years ago that God the Father cannot look upon sin therefore He can't look upon His Son. John 16:32, "Behold, the hour is coming, and has aleady come, for you to be scattered, each one of you to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because or why, the Father is with Me." Then there is 2 Corinthians 5:19, "namely, that God WAS IN CHRIST reconcilling the world to Himself etc."

As well, if you look at the words of Jesus while on that cross they were taken from Psalm 22:1, If you read the Psalm you will see that King David was being hunted down by Saul and in the Psalm David was expressing his feelings that he though God had forsaken or abandoned him. Well God did not forsake David because David begins to praise God at vs22 and at vs24 he says, "For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; NEITHER HAD HE HIDDEN HIS FACR FROM HIM; But when He cried to Him for help, He heard." In short, Jesus Chrsit felt forsaken but He was not. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
james
 

jb

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And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
The Lord Jesus was certainly manifested in the flesh, just as the Scriptures teach, BUT He is NOT a "Manifestation" BUT a Person!

There is a GREAT difference!
 
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The Lord Jesus was certainly manifested in the flesh, just as the Scriptures teach, BUT He is NOT a "Manifestation" BUT a Person!

There is a GREAT difference!
I agree with this as well
 
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Manifestations is more palatable to those who can't accept Persons.

God IS manifested to us in 3 different ways.
You went through all the trouble to prove that the truth is God in three Persons, just to turn around and say "Manifestations" just for people who already believe in manifestations and not persons?

It's like you went for it and then backed out... :confused:
 

Sturuj

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Trinity = Lord Jesus Christ

Lord refers to the Father

Jesus refers to the Son

Christ refers to the anointing of the Holy Spirit
 

Rondonmon

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You said this ron, "Jesus is the express image of God, but not the FULLNESS OF GOD." Can you explain why Colossians 2:9 says the opposite of what you just said? "For in Him/Jesus Chris ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD DWELLS IN BODILY FORM."
Jesus was given the keys to the Kingdom so to speak, he has the Authority given Him by the Father over all things, he has the fullness of the Godhead so to speak. Jesus does not have the fullness of Gods Glory. The Authority of God and the Glory of God are not the same thing.

As per God being able to come into the presence of sin, when a man is full of the Holy Spirit and he say commits adultery or some kind of willful sin, the Holy Spirit LEAVES Straightaway.Jesus was all alone with our evil sins upon him when he died on the cross.
 

Desertsrose

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I like these two scriptures because all three persons are spoken of.

Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

1 Corinthians 12:4-6
Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.