The Purpose of Baptism

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resurrection33

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Here’s a question for you:

What is the purpose of baptism? Is it to qualify us for the Lord’s grace, or is it to make us aware of the Lord’s grace? (I use the word "grace," because off the top of my head, it seemed like the best word to use. I didn't want to spend all day trying to think of a better word.)







 
p_rehbein

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Are you speaking of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit? Or just water baptism?

Difference there..............just saying........

Hey, wait, has this been discussed before?

Hmm

:)
 
dcontroversal

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An identifier and public profession of faith...........no more, no less!
 
resurrection33

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p_rehbein said:
Are you speaking of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit? Or just water baptism?

Difference there..............just saying........

Hey, wait, has this been discussed before?

Hmm

:)
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I was referring to the water baptism.

Whether or not this has been discussed before, I don't know. Why would you ask me that?
 
MessageOfTheCross

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Now that you are saved, you should ask the Lord to baptize you with the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4).

While it is certainly true the Holy Spirit came into your heart and life the moment of your Salvation, still, He now wishes to endure you with power from on high. Consequently, Jesus told all of His followers immediately before His Ascension, that they should "wait for the Promise of the Father" (Acts 1:4). He was speaking of being "Baptized with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 1:5).

You must understand that there is a great difference in being "born of the Spirit" than being " Baptized with the Spirit." They are two different works altogether.

To be "born of the Spirit" is that which took place at your conversion, as the Holy Spirit brought you to Christ and performed the work of regeneration within your heart and life. To be "Baptized with the Spirit" is in order that you may have Power with God (Acts 1:8). Every Believer should ask the Lord to fill them with the Holy Spirit, and expect to receive (Luke 11:13).

Now that you are being saved, moving from faith to faith, and glory to glory; God has only one way to live for Him, please Him, honor Him, bring Him glory, and receive victory. That way is: Have Faith only in Jesus Christ and the Cross of Christ, i.e., Finished Work, i.e., The Blood of Jesus. The Holy Spirit that dwells in you will only help you and work in your life if your faith is maintained in this perimeter.
 
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To me it means so many things.

Its a humbling experience to be publically dunked takes courage, it takes a heart which is
serious for God. It takes a definite decision.

Its a public witnes, a testimony to others so they know you identify with Christ. Anyone can say
they are a Christian but baptism nails your colours to the mast.

Its being an obedient servant, be baptised was a command of Jesus. Though it will not get you
to heaven, it means that you are willing to take His commands seriously.

It's a joyous occasion, I remember feeling high as a kite after I was baptised! I was walking on
air for ages after.

Its symbolic of being dead and raised to newness of life - a new creation.

The need to be baptised comes from the unction of the Holy Spirit. It's a niggle you can't scratch.
You can't get it out of your mind, you know you just have to do it. To refuse would be to ignore the
unction and will of the Holy Spirit.

For me it was life changing and I know many who feel the same. It's an indescribable joyous, nerve
wracking, exciting thing to do all wrapped up with the knowledge that Jesus is rooting for you. :)
 
MessageOfTheCross

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As Christians Jesus commands us to follow the man with the pitcher of water (the spirit of truth that points us to Jesus). The greatest gift to the world is the slain Lamb, but the greatest gift to the Church is the Man bearing a Pitcher of Water. It is a separate work of grace. The Holy Spirit comes in at salvation for regeneration. At salvation the Holy Spirit baptize us and immerse us that placed us into Jesus Christ. But at Spirit baptism, Jesus Christ who is the baptizer, baptize us into the person of the Holy Spirit for power and service (fishers of men).

We must consume the whole lamb (the river of life). John 6:56

Jesus said when you find the man with the pitcher of water he will take you to a large prepared furnished upper room (which means so much more - the benefits of the Cross). Mark 14:12-15
 
dcontroversal

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resurrection33 said:
I suspect, then, that you are not a proponent of infant baptism.
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Obviously......funny thing....NOT ONE child IMMERSED in the N.T.......and an infant has no ability to publically profess faith and are safe under the blood anyway.....
 
Blain

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Miri said:
To me it means so many things.

Its a humbling experience to be publically dunked takes courage, it takes a heart which is
serious for God. It takes a definite decision.

Its a public witnes, a testimony to others so they know you identify with Christ. Anyone can say
they are a Christian but baptism nails your colours to the mast.

Its being an obedient servant, be baptised was a command of Jesus. Though it will not get you
to heaven, it means that you are willing to take His commands seriously.

It's a joyous occasion, I remember feeling high as a kite after I was baptised! I was walking on
air for ages after.

Its symbolic of being dead and raised to newness of life - a new creation.

The need to be baptised comes from the unction of the Holy Spirit. It's a niggle you can't scratch.
You can't get it out of your mind, you know you just have to do it. To refuse would be to ignore the
unction and will of the Holy Spirit.

For me it was life changing and I know many who feel the same. It's an indescribable joyous, nerve
wracking, exciting thing to do all wrapped up with the knowledge that Jesus is rooting for you. :)
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I was going to respond and explain baptism but heck Miri here did an amazing job so I don't need to anymore :)
 
Blain

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dcontroversal said:
Obviously......funny thing....NOT ONE child IMMERSED in the N.T.......and an infant has no ability to publically profess faith and are safe under the blood anyway.....
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Careful now... Catholics might accuse you of being sola scriptura which seems to be an insult to them
 
wattie

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On an aside.. where is scripture which shows an individual being empowered (as in baptism of the Holy Spirit) seperate from the group (most often the local church) they are with?
 
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Blain said:
I was going to respond and explain baptism but heck Miri here did an amazing job so I don't need to anymore :)
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By heck me lad. Yr turning into a Yorkshireman. lol
 
dcontroversal

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Blain said:
Careful now... Catholics might accuse you of being sola scriptura which seems to be an insult to them
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Oh well......the truth hurts and at the end of the day...only one going to judge me and he is righteous and true and as a child I can and will plead the blood and mercy....... :)
 
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dcontroversal said:
Obviously......funny thing....NOT ONE child IMMERSED in the N.T.......and an infant has no ability to publically profess faith and are safe under the blood anyway.....
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Do you believe immersion is important or is sprinkling okay?
 
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Do you believe immersion is important or is sprinkling okay?
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Sprinkling ain't baptism.
Baptism is immersion. Totally under the water. Not even one finger left dry.
 
dcontroversal

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resurrection33 said:
Do you believe immersion is important or is sprinkling okay?
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It is not about what I believe bro....the Greek word Baptizo means to immerse....the word rantizo means to sprinkle....the only time that rantizo is used is in the cleaning of the cups and platters....

Let us evaluate baptism......and the pictures from the bible and let them speak....

The children of Israel....
a) The first generation had applied the blood and got to the red sea...UNDER the water as it was stacked on both sides
b) The second generation had the blood applied and got to the Jordan...UNDER the water as it backed up

Jesus came UP straightway out of the water.....he was under the water....

Immersion represents BURIAL....

Jesus was placed in a SEALED tomb (entirely covered)

We are buried UNDER the dirt......

the very definition means to IMMERSE not sprinkle......

It is a picture....we are dead and BURIED with him and are risen a new creation in Christ JESUS......

Standing, buried (immersed) and risen.....to anastasis--->stand again.......

In my view....sprinkling is not baptism.....baptism is immersion and we must follow the bible in order to be right........
 
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