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Revelation 18
10 Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

I don't understand Revelation much, but the fall of Babylon clearly refers to the (imminent) collapse of the Banking system, does it not?
 

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I am by no means an expert on Rev. but in my few studies it seems that this is what this passage is refering too. A colapse in the world economy at this time. And pretty quickly also.
 

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Babylon is the city, though it is sometimes used as a metaphor for the world system. In this case it appears to be the city itself.

While the destruction at the end of the age will seem sudden to the world, I'm not so sure about it being "imminent". Scripture details several events which will happen before this. As to it being the banking system, I don't see that in the verse quoted, but as the economy becomes increasingly interwoven across the globe, a sudden significant destruction in one major hub would have massive ripple effects.

The more advanced students of Revelation will likely give a more detailed response.
 

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There is a guy on here, "oldhermit", who is very knowledgable in the study of Revelations. This is a good question for him. He is pretty well knowledgable in Gods Word period.
 

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Revelation 18
10 Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

I don't understand Revelation much, but the fall of Babylon clearly refers to the (imminent) collapse of the Banking system, does it not?
Babylon is the Nations that come against Israel in Rev. 16, in essence there is no Rev. 17 and 18, they are only an enhanced version of the Fall of the Harlot (False Religion/Rev 17) and the Fall of False Gov. Rev. 18.

In Rev. 16, the 6th Vial entices the Nations against Israel at Meggido (Armageddon) and then the 7th Vial sounds and Jesus lands on the Mt of Olives (Zechariah 14 also) causes an Earthquake, and then destroys these Nations, and they are called Babylon.

Revelation 16:19 And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts (Earthquake), and the cities of the nations fell: (Babylon as we see HERE) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Those that gather against Israel are seen as Babylon.
 
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Revelation 18
10 Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

I don't understand Revelation much, but the fall of Babylon clearly refers to the (imminent) collapse of the Banking system, does it not?
No. The banking system will collapse because of the fall of the Daughter of Babylon.
If you study all Scripture about the fall of the Daughter of Babylon, it is very clear it is an end time nation.
The fall of that nation causes the world economy to fail because it consumes and possesses the majority of the worlds goods and wealth.
Now who fits that place in the world today?
 

Ahwatukee

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Revelation 18
10 Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

I don't understand Revelation much, but the fall of Babylon clearly refers to the (imminent) collapse of the Banking system, does it not?
Hello Spurgeoncy,

"The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled."

* The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.

*The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.

Mystery, Babylon the Great, also referred to as, the woman who rides the beast, is that city that rules over the kings of the earth. As the scripture states, God will put into the hearts of the beast and the ten kings to hate the woman and will destroy her. Therefore based on the descriptions above, the beast and the ten kings will be destroying that city that sits on seven hills/mountains. The woman which is that city that sits on seven hills, is the headquarters for that last day false religious system.

 

Ahwatukee

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There is a guy on here, "oldhermit", who is very knowledgable in the study of Revelations. This is a good question for him. He is pretty well knowledgable in Gods Word period.
The problem with that suggestion is that he is a preterist, which means that he believes that all end-time events have already taken place, including most of Revelation and that by spiritualizing it. Anyone who believes that the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments have already taken place via an allegorical manner, has no idea of the severity of the literal wrath that is still to come upon this earth.
 

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Revelation 18
10 Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

I don't understand Revelation much, but the fall of Babylon clearly refers to the (imminent) collapse of the Banking system, does it not?
I'm probably not going to do this justice because I'm not a good teacher but, I think Babylon was built where the tower of babel first stood.

If we take the tower into account, it was a manmade construct of some sort that sought to reach to heaven, to God, and to also unite the people so they would not be scattered in their goals and beliefs (all on the same page). But no manmade construct, whether a building or a system can get one to God.

Then you also can consider the verses on Mystery Babylon, which seems to be speaking of a religious construct, and it begins to appear that Babel, Babylon in the verse you bring up, and Mystery Babylon are a religious construct of men. This makes the "buying and selling" to be more...buying and selling the souls of men rather than talking about a monetary system, at least to me. But you only get the round inkling from looking at more than the one verse. And then of course, one may not get the same inkling as me when they lay all of those verses out and look for similarities...
 

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Revelation 18
10 Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

I don't understand Revelation much, but the fall of Babylon clearly refers to the (imminent) collapse of the Banking system, does it not?
Hosea 12:10 [FONT=&quot]I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.


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God uses similitudes, or models, all through Scripture. An example of this is Abraham almost sacrificing Isaac modeling God Sacrificing His only Son.

The World Trade Center two towers fell in about an hour. Think about what the trade center was.
 
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Revelation 18
10 Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

I don't understand Revelation much, but the fall of Babylon clearly refers to the (imminent) collapse of the Banking system, does it not?
There are at least 7 books of the bible and like 12 to 14 chapters that deal with an END time nation that is blended in with the fall of classical Babylon of OLD which fell in 539 B.C. to the Medo-Persians who stopped the river, went under the walls, met in the center and the city capitulated and continued in existence until at last the 1st century A.D. and gradually crumbled and fell when the trade routes changed because Rome came online as a world Empire...

the nation that is blended in is called the HINDERMOST of the NATIONS, also identified as the LADY of the KINGDOMS and is called the DAUGHTER (prodigy) of BABYLON....she has the national symbols of a WOMAN, LADY or EAGLE and her CHIEF city is called BABYLON......

there are 80 characteristics found concerning the nation in question...some are..

The hammer of the whole EARTH militarily
MOUNTS her DEFENSES to the UTMOST HEAVENS
KNEW GOD in truth but DEPARTED and would not be healed
is called the LADY of the KINGDOMS
is the MELTING POT of the world
KNOWN for her abundant fresh water and crop production in her midst
known for her cultural insanity
known as a land meted and parted out
known for her deep water ports and trade by sea which makes those who trade by sea rich
OVERSHADOWS the MIDDLE EAST with WINGS
is a GOLDEN cup in the Lord's hand at one time and is a blessing to the world at one time
known as REBELS in BIRTH and JUDGMENT

etc..........when the math is done it is 10.5 billion to 1 which nation it is.....

SHE falls in a strike

from the NORTH from THENCE
it comes under the SHADOW of a cloud
shakes the ground
has the tempest of a storm
burns her cities with fire
IN ONE HOUR kills ALL of her YOUNG men of war who forbear to fight and remain on their BASES (strongholds)
comes from between the BLACK and CASPIAN seas
Is instigated by he three main ISLAMIC allies of RUSSIA

the answer is obvious, but most are blind and or refuse to acknowledge the facts...........

HER religion that she spreads to the rest of the world is....WORSHIP GOD AS YOU PLEASE dia DEMOCRACY!
 
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Revelation 18
10 Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

I don't understand Revelation much, but the fall of Babylon clearly refers to the (imminent) collapse of the Banking system, does it not?
I doubt it.
 
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Revelation 18
10 Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

I don't understand Revelation much, but the fall of Babylon clearly refers to the (imminent) collapse of the Banking system, does it not?
There is more to it concerning Babylon,for Mystery Babylon represents all the false religions of the world,did trade with the world,lived deliciously and in pleasure,her sins have reached unto heaven,and the nations stand afar off for the fear of her torment,which she did more than what a bank would do for she dealt in merchandise,and material things,and made nations prosper by doing trade,and business with the world,which God said to come out of her My people.

The beast kingdom is all nations together trying to solve their problems on earth,but there is a nation responsible for causing the world to go in that direction,that represents all religions,anything goes multiculturism,and not a banking system,but they did trade and business with the world,by material goods.

When the world follows the beast and takes the mark of the beast it is the one world economic system,for no person can buy or sell without the mark,so the banking system is still in place.
 
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No. The banking system will collapse because of the fall of the Daughter of Babylon.
If you study all Scripture about the fall of the Daughter of Babylon, it is very clear it is an end time nation.
The fall of that nation causes the world economy to fail because it consumes and possesses the majority of the worlds goods and wealth.
Now who fits that place in the world today?

Amen and it is not Rome........!

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Revelation 18
10 Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

I don't understand Revelation much, but the fall of Babylon clearly refers to the (imminent) collapse of the Banking system, does it not?
Sounds like Walmart going bankrupt.
 
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Amen and it is not Rome........!
True.

The Roman Empire covers more of a power than Rome,Italy,and Rome does not fit the entire structure of what Revelation covers as Babylon,the end time nation responsible for the influencing the world that caused the Babylonian kingdom in spirit to come about,for God said Babylon will never have physical dominion again.

The Roman Empire does not have their dominion taken away until God puts them down,which the world is split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,the ten horns,that covers the earth,for the Bible says they devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces.

Rome does not fit the structure of the Babylonian spirit as Revelation tells us.

1.Shall represent all the false religions of the world.
2.Shall mingle themselves with the seed of men,multiculturism(Daniel 2:43).
3.Glorified herself,and lived deliciously.
4.Did trade with the world.
5.Pushed for peace in the world,and had the biggest influence in the world out of all nations.
6.Her sins have reached unto heaven.

There is no other nation that fits that pattern that has also been striving for peace in the world,and has a big influence in the world,for Rome pales in comparison to this nation,although Rome does influence many Catholics,but not all religions as this nation does,and especially they mingle themselves with the seed of men,and there has never been a nation like this one that allowed immigration,and the vast differences among all the people.

The Roman Empire covers more than the city of Rome,and Italy,at the end time.
 

Blain

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I think this verse is speaking of babylon in general and babylon has always seemed like America to me. I mean think about it we are the worlds super power most of the buy and selling of the worlds trade is through us so if say the merchant were to stop buying and selling from babylon and say babylon is America it would make sense

God's judgement has been prophesied to come upon America for a long time now and few heed it's warnings and the hour is indeed near, sadly america has become possibly the most corrupt and evil and greedy of all the kingdoms of the earth and all it's kings we can only pray America really isn't babylon
 

Ahwatukee

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True.

The Roman Empire covers more of a power than Rome, Italy, and Rome does not fit the entire structure of what Revelation covers as Babylon, the end time nation responsible for the influencing the world that caused the Babylonian kingdom in spirit to come about, for God said Babylon will never have physical dominion again.

The Roman Empire does not have their dominion taken away until God puts them down, which the world is split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, the ten horns, that covers the earth, for the Bible says they devour the whole earth,tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Rome does not fit the structure of the Babylonian spirit as Revelation tells us.

1.Shall represent all the false religions of the world.
2.Shall mingle themselves with the seed of men,multiculturism(Daniel 2:43).
3.Glorified herself,and lived deliciously.
4.Did trade with the world.
5.Pushed for peace in the world,and had the biggest influence in the world out of all nations.
6.Her sins have reached unto heaven.

There is no other nation that fits that pattern that has also been striving for peace in the world,and has a big influence in the world,for Rome pales in comparison to this nation,although Rome does influence many Catholics,but not all religions as this nation does,and especially they mingle themselves with the seed of men,and there has never been a nation like this one that allowed immigration,and the vast differences among all the people.

The Roman Empire covers more than the city of Rome,and Italy,at the end time.
Hello JesusRules1,

At the time that John was receiving that information from the angel, Rome was that city that ruled over the kings of the earth. Likewise, Rome was literally built on and is famous for her seven hills. The Vatican/Rome is Roman Catholicism's headquarters, which I believe will become that coming one world false religious system.

Currently, there are over 1.2 billion Roman Catholics. I believe that one of the future popes will be play the part of that second beast, the false prophet who will be the one performing those miracles, signs and wonders and that on behalf of the first beast, the antichrist. Now if you think that Roman Catholics are devout to the pope and to the RCC now, what do you think is going to happen when he begins to perform those miraculous signs? The devout will be come more devout and all of those false Christian sects and all religious systems will be drawn into that one false religious system. After all, the false prophet will be performing those miraculous signs as a means of deceiving the inhabitants that they by the power of God. However, we know from scripture that they will be satanic counterfeits.

The woman is said to be dressed in purple and scarlet. Some would have us believe that this is pointing to Israel, but I wouldn't believe that for a second and that for many reasons. But the plain fact is that, purple and scarlet are the exact colors worn by the cardinals and bishops of the RCC.

Since the RCC believes itself to be the true church of Christ, with the pope as the sole representative of Christ, they believe that all must come under the authority of the pope and the RCC. Prior to the 19th century, the Roman catholic church and her popes controlled kings and their armies and that because of the threat of ex-communication. They want that power back! Their position is that all people must come under the authority of the pope and Roman Catholicism. Anyone outside is a heretic.

When that antichrist comes, the pope will play the part of the false prophet and by doing so, the RCC with her pope will get the authority that they have desired. Everything that the false prophet does will be for the purpose of giving credibility to the first beast/antichrist in support of his claim of being God, which will be purpose for those miracles, signs and wonders. Since all of the inhabitants of the earth will be devout to the false prophet and his false religious system, that beast, the antichrist, will have all of those devout followers in his hip pocket, so to speak.

With just a cursory look, one can see the pagan practices stemming from the mystery religions of Babylon within Roman Catholicism. Two of the most obvious would be "queen of heaven worship" which was transposed over onto Mary. And mother and son worship, which was transposed over Mary and Jesus. Another is the pantheon of God's there were worshiped which was trans posed onto the saints, which is why you have the praying to saints within the RCC. Then we could mention what the RCC has done with the institution of the breaking of bread and the drinking of the cup, by changing it into the Eucharist and the literal eating of the flesh and blood of the Lord Jesus via transubstantiation.

Roman Catholicism will be the base for that one world religion and seat of the pope will play the part of false prophet. And after the beast has used religion for his purpose, him and the ten kings are going to destroy that city that sits on seven hills, the seat of that one world religion. From the description, it appears that the beast and the ten kings are going to nuke her, which is why no one will ever be able to inhabit that city ever again - Rev.18:22-23

* The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again.

* No worker of any trade will ever be found in you again.

* The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again.

* The light of a lamp will never shine in you again.

* The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again.