all works are not created equal

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

but the bible is very clear on the fact that faith with corresponding works or action(s) leads to justification We are made righteous(justified) by faith in the work of Jesus Christ. The works done by a believer are a result of regeneration and transformation. The works are fruit of the justification accomplished by the work of Jesus Christ.

Some squirm when they see the word "works". They view it as a negative word. My observation is that this is due to the misquoting of Isaiah 64:6. Works there(and only there, to my knowledge) are referred to as "dirty rags". Works gets scorned there because a rebellious Israel was making vain efforts to please God. Misquoting this verse leaves people thinking they can't do anything that God will find accepting/pleasing, which is not correct.

So, in addition to the texts you've mentioned, we have Isaiah 64 as well.

Huh really I've never heard that before, surely if this is true than those folks haven't read the whole Isaiah 64.. though the one verse wonder thing always gets folks going down a empty road..

later on in the chapter, states we don't do works by our deeds alone but they are done through God when we allow him to be the guide.

Isaiah 64:8
But now, O LORD, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand.

It's really not uncommon. A thread started about a week ago already had the "filthy rags" comment by the first response(click on blue words to see the thread).

I later joined in and corrected the "filthy rags" theory.

Isn't it disheartening to think that God would consider all works/charity done by his regenerated children as junk/garbage/filthy rags?

 

[know1]

You put yourself in the position of God as the initiator and put God in the position of being the responder to you. And you actually think that is a legitimate viewpoint?

Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am [a] on of God?

Does God call us gods? He does. Am I a son of God? Yes, I am.
Luk 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

Does God tell us that we are to be like Jesus, our master? Did Jesus leave us an example to follow? He does and He did.
As I said, without works, faith is dead, and one work of faith is speaking. God might prompt us to do or say something in faith, but He doesn't move until we initiate an act in faith, such as confessing Jesus as our personal lord and savior.
Have you ever told your child they were stupid, dumb, couldn't do anything right, ...etc?
If you did, then you just initiated a curse on your child. If you believed what you said to be true, then you just applied your negative faith against your child, cursing them. These curse or negative words of faith will take if you say them enough times.
Did God initiate these negative words/works of faith before they came to pass. NO, you did!!!
This is what I was told as a child, and I grew up being stupid, and I was good at it too, until I got hold of faith. I am NOT stupid anymore. Quite the contrary. I might have started it by doing something about it, but God is still the one who did the work in me. I just believed and acted in faith.

 

[know1]

You put yourself in the position of God as the initiator and put God in the position of being the responder to you. And you actually think that is a legitimate viewpoint?

Yes sir, I do. If I didn't have so much scripture to back up this viewpoint, I wouldn't believe it. But I have more scripture on this subject of faith, than any other subject. I have been studying the subject for better than 30 years. Also, if it didn't work for me, then you could say it's not of God, but it does work, and I do know what I am saying.
I also know how this looks, and how it could lead one to think more highly of themselves than they should. I also know that everything done is God doing the work, as He did with Jesus. And so, I always acknowledge and give glory to God as being the one who did the actual work. I just have to act on what I believe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

One of the problems here is that we are both looking at this from two different view points.
According to your doctrine, I am putting the cart before the horse, but according to what I believe, it is you who is putting the cart before the horse.
One difference between your faith and works vs mine is that, people who use your concept accept the situation or circumstance before they die. Those who believe similarly to what I believe, don't accept it and at least try to fight it. With your faith, you wait for God to do something first. With mine, for the most part, we are the initiators and God moves as a direct result of our works of faith.

Thanks for trying to understand my view. However, You have me all wrong. I hope you are open to really trying to understand, and not like some who refuse to try to understand, and get mad when you try to show them.

I do not WAIT for God to do something, HE DID something, My faith is in what he Already DID, not in what I want him to do.
He also has made promises and made assurances, Ad I trust in those things because of who and what he is.
So no, I am not putting the cart before the horse.

And yes, I accept it before I die. Why? BECAUSE GOD SAID IT, That is my HOPE (assurance) If I di bot accept it, I have no hope. and thus, as a reality, I have no faith.
My faith is on the person and character of God Is God trustworthy? I think so.

I must ask though, Why are you trying to fight it, why do you not accept it? Is God untrustworthy that he will not keep his word?

In my view God is the initiator. I just follow him. John 6 is quite clear. If God did not initiate with us, we would never receive him.

 

[know1]

Yeah and I don't recall addressing you with this statement bro......an my statement is biblical.......works are the result of faith.....works do not facilitate, embellish and or add to salvation........

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE..........and Romans...we CONCLUDE that a MAN is JUSTIFIED (rendered just and or innocent) by FAITH without works.....

James is found under the banner of SHOW ME YOUR FAITH........BEFORE men OUR FAITH is SEEN by what we DO (works)

Amen...WORKS will never produce faith....the results of the faith one already possesses will produce the work.......such a simple thing hey.....many willfully remove themselves from the SIMPLICITY that is found in Christ....!

That is what you said sir.
Scripture teaches that one is justified both without works and WITH works. One is about and addresses the law, while the other addresses works of faith. That is what scripture clearly teaches.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Yes sir, I do. If I didn't have so much scripture to back up this viewpoint, I wouldn't believe it. But I have more scripture on this subject of faith, than any other subject. I have been studying the subject for better than 30 years. Also, if it didn't work for me, then you could say it's not of God, but it does work, and I do know what I am saying.
I also know how this looks, and how it could lead one to think more highly of themselves than they should. I also know that everything done is God doing the work, as He did with Jesus. And so, I always acknowledge and give glory to God as being the one who did the actual work. I just have to act on what I believe.

Which just goes to show how dangerous private interpretations of scripture can be.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is what you said sir.
Scripture teaches that one is justified both without works and WITH works. One is about and addresses the law, while the other addresses works of faith. That is what scripture clearly teaches.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Nope. this is not what the bible says.

James said if one CLAIMS TO HAVE FAITH. he NEVER once said they had faith, it was a claimed faith only. Was it a real faith?

Well for this James and paul agree.

Paul said we are SAVED BY GRACE Through FAITH and NOT WORKS. and that those who ARE SAVED BY FAITH WILL WORK because we are HIS WORKMANSHIP.

James said clearly, if you do not have the WORKS paul said you AS A TRUE BELIEVER would have, They your faith is DEAD (non existent.)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Which just goes to show how dangerous private interpretations of scripture can be.

Amen, A pharisee was taught scripture from birth. They could quote it word for word.

Years of experience does not equate to truth. They proved it.

 

[JIMBO43]

Ioften see this battle between the two sides concerning works of thelaw, Works of the flesh, and good works vs. works of faith.
Ihave found that those who believe in salvation by faith alone, do notseem to be able to comprehend the difference between the two kinds ofworks. In fact, I have yet to see them understand what works of faithreally is about or how it works.
Youcannot lump Eph 2:8-9 together with James 2. They clearly are nottalking about the same thing. Paul is not talking about works offaith but about being saved by the works of the law, whereas James istalking about works of faith, and not works of the law.
Worksof the law have to do with self righteousness through the person'sgood works, based on the laws of does and don'ts of God's word. Basically working ordoing good works to be good enough or righteous enough to obtainsalvation or the right to go to heaven.
Onthe other hand, James, Heb, and Paul in Romans 10: 8-10, are talkingabout works of faith to justification.
Aswe all know, works of the law do not lead to justification, but thebible is very clear on the fact that faith with corresponding worksor action(s) leads to justification. Just as faith withoutcorresponding action render faith useless or dead, so correspondingactions without faith is dead.
Thebible use of the word, believe, is notinthe sense that noactionis required.
Theword, faith, is a noun, where the word, believe, is a verb. Where anoun is a person, place, or thing, a verb is an action word.
Thereis onlyonekind offaith thatpleases God and moves His hand, and that is the God kind of faith.
Itworks the same way for and on everything.
Havingsaid that, if salvation is by believing only in or on the name ofChrist, then the same kind of believing will cast out demonicspirits, or get yourself or loved ones healed.
Justtry to doing either of those things by simply believing.
Iguarantee, absolutely nothing will happen.
Thesame is true concerning salvation.
An example of this would be confessing Jesus as your personal lord and savior, verbally. When that is done, according to Paul, salvation is made.
Speaking or confessing Jesus as lord and savior is what the bible calls a work of faith. It has nothing to do with good works or works of the law. It is a work of faith.

hey best argument i have herd for good works i commend you for your searching of the heart.

God works is not something we do for salvation good works are a fruit of the spirit and something you do without thinking as you have asked the lord what to do and bingo bango bosh an idea hits your head to do good works.

Then you sit for a while with the powers that be and say do i get to do this a gain and agin and again as i love this feeling of feeling gratefulll for your reward for letting me sit in your presence amen.

NO THE SAD RERALITY IS THE LAWGIVERS ARE HERE DIGUISING THEMSELVES AS CHRISTIANS

 

[JIMBO43]

OR MAYBE ITS FOR A REASON that so many jews are on the loose in the house lol

 

[know1]

Thanks for trying to understand my view. However, You have me all wrong. I hope you are open to really trying to understand, and not like some who refuse to try to understand, and get mad when you try to show them.

I might have a difficult time understanding how most can't see what I'm saying, but I rarely get mad. Neither do I take things personal, even though many have cast insults at me.

I do not WAIT for God to do something, HE DID something, My faith is in what he Already DID, not in what I want him to do.

This is good. Are you aware that Jesus already bore EVERY curse in his body on the cross, and by the stripes He took on His back you've ALREADY BEEN healed? And are you aware of the fact that sicknesses and diseases are a curse of the law and that you are not automatically forgiven from the curse of the law of sin? So you don't have to wait for God to do something that He has already done for you. After repenting and confessing your sins, you can claim His finished work on the cross for your healing.

He also has made promises and made assurances, Ad I trust in those things because of who and what he is.
So no, I am not putting the cart before the horse.

This is exactly what I base my doctrines on. God's promises. There is nothing more sure than the word of God. It is what I use to receive Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior.

And yes, I accept it before I die. Why? BECAUSE GOD SAID IT, That is my HOPE (assurance) If I di bot accept it, I have no hope. and thus, as a reality, I have no faith.
My faith is on the person and character of God Is God trustworthy? I think so.

Sir, I have been delivered and healed multiple times BECAUSE I refused to accept its right to exist in my body, which happens to be the temple of the Holy Ghost.

I must ask though, Why are you trying to fight it, why do you not accept it? Is God untrustworthy that he will not keep his word?

Quite the contrary. I fight sickness and diseases because first, I believe it is a curse of the devil, NOT a blessing of God, and second, because I believe Jesus bore and carried all these cures in His body on the cross, so I shouldn't have to take it back and bare the same as though His work was worthless or somehow not good enough, and third, because it is not of God, nor is it His will for me or my loved ones to be or have any sickness or disease. I fight using God's word because I see God as faithful and completely trustworthy to keep His word. It is His very word/promises that I stand on and speak forth to use as my weapon of warfare.
One reason why I don't accept any sickness or disease is for the very same reason why you and all who believe as you do, don't accept it. It doesn't make me or my loved ones feel good and neither do any of us function well being sick and because I love them I can't stand to watch them suffer. Why did I say you and others like yourself fight it, when you say you don't? It's because if you really didn't fight any sickness or disease as you say you don't, then you would not seek medical help. The fact is, everyone tries to get well through medical attention because they don't believe God will heal them. They know He can, but doubt He will, and so they take the natural way.

In my view God is the initiator. I just follow him. John 6 is quite clear. If God did not initiate with us, we would never receive him.

True, for He calls us first, then we respond. But that is not what I meant when I said we are the initiators.

 

[know1]

Which just goes to show how dangerous private interpretations of scripture can be.

Yes, it can be indeed, but corporately lead interpretations can do the same, only on a larger scale.

 

[dcontroversal]

That is what you said sir.
Scripture teaches that one is justified both without works and WITH works. One is about and addresses the law, while the other addresses works of faith. That is what scripture clearly teaches.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

What I said is biblical.....

FAITH ALONE SAVES
FAITH THAT SAVES can be SEEN by MEN based upon our works or fruit...

THE WORKS are the result of FAITH and SALVATION which one already POSSESSES....

riginally Posted by dcontroversal

Yeah and I don't recall addressing you with this statement bro......an my statement is biblical.......works are the result of faith.....works do not facilitate, embellish and or add to salvation........

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE..........and Romans...we CONCLUDE that a MAN is JUSTIFIED (rendered just and or innocent) by FAITH without works.....

James is found under the banner of SHOW ME YOUR FAITH........BEFORE men OUR FAITH is SEEN by what we DO (works)

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Amen...WORKS will never produce faith....the results of the faith one already possesses will produce the work.......such a simple thing hey.....many willfully remove themselves from the SIMPLICITY that is found in Christ....!

 

[dcontroversal]

Nope. this is not what the bible says.

James said if one CLAIMS TO HAVE FAITH. he NEVER once said they had faith, it was a claimed faith only. Was it a real faith?

Well for this James and paul agree.

Paul said we are SAVED BY GRACE Through FAITH and NOT WORKS. and that those who ARE SAVED BY FAITH WILL WORK because we are HIS WORKMANSHIP.

James said clearly, if you do not have the WORKS paul said you AS A TRUE BELIEVER would have, They your faith is DEAD (non existent.)

Yeah, I thought I was very clear with what I said........which is biblical....!

riginally Posted by dcontroversal

Yeah and I don't recall addressing you with this statement bro......an my statement is biblical.......works are the result of faith.....works do not facilitate, embellish and or add to salvation........

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE..........and Romans...we CONCLUDE that a MAN is JUSTIFIED (rendered just and or innocent) by FAITH without works.....

James is found under the banner of SHOW ME YOUR FAITH........BEFORE men OUR FAITH is SEEN by what we DO (works)

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Amen...WORKS will never produce faith....the results of the faith one already possesses will produce the work.......such a simple thing hey.....many willfully remove themselves from the SIMPLICITY that is found in Christ....!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I might have a difficult time understanding how most can't see what I'm saying, but I rarely get mad. Neither do I take things personal, even though many have cast insults at me.

This is good. Are you aware that Jesus already bore EVERY curse in his body on the cross, and by the stripes He took on His back you've ALREADY BEEN healed? And are you aware of the fact that sicknesses and diseases are a curse of the law and that you are not automatically forgiven from the curse of the law of sin? So you don't have to wait for God to do something that He has already done for you. After repenting and confessing your sins, you can claim His finished work on the cross for your healing.

People still die. God never promised anyone to be healed. or else we would not have to argue about what Paul meant, we could go ask him himself, he would still be alive.

Does God heal? Yes, I have seen miraculous healing.

However. By his stripes I was healed. (the most important healing I will ever get) because of that, I will enter eternity, where I will never need healed again, No sickness and no death then, PRAISE GOD.

This is exactly what I base my doctrines on. God's promises. There is nothing more sure than the word of God. It is what I use to receive Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior.

Amen, and if you did this, Praise God.

Sir, I have been delivered and healed multiple times BECAUSE I refused to accept its right to exist in my body, which happens to be the temple of the Holy Ghost.

That's ok, You will die one day, Does not matter if you REFUSE to accept it or not.

Quite the contrary. I fight sickness and diseases because first, I believe it is a curse of the devil, NOT a blessing of God, and second, because I believe Jesus bore and carried all these cures in His body on the cross, so I shouldn't have to take it back and bare the same as though His work was worthless or somehow not good enough, and third, because it is not of God, nor is it His will for me or my loved ones to be or have any sickness or disease. I fight using God's word because I see God as faithful and completely trustworthy to keep His word. It is His very word/promises that I stand on and speak forth to use as my weapon of warfare.
One reason why I don't accept any sickness or disease is for the very same reason why you and all who believe as you do, don't accept it. It doesn't make me or my loved ones feel good and neither do any of us function well being sick and because I love them I can't stand to watch them suffer. Why did I say you and others like yourself fight it, when you say you don't? It's because if you really didn't fight any sickness or disease as you say you don't, then you would not seek medical help. The fact is, everyone tries to get well through medical attention because they don't believe God will heal them. They know He can, but doubt He will, and so they take the natural way.

When did this go from a gospel of faith discussion to a healing discussion?

True, for He calls us first, then we respond. But that is not what I meant when I said we are the initiators.

we never initiate anything, GOD allways does the initiating, that is grace.

 

[know1]

People still die. God never promised anyone to be healed. or else we would not have to argue about what Paul meant, we could go ask him himself, he would still be alive.

Never said people won't die. And no, God did not promise to heal anyone, because He already healed those who have faith for it and who confessed their sins. He did however promise to give them the desire of their heart.

Does God heal? Yes, I have seen miraculous healing.

However. By his stripes I was healed. (the most important healing I will ever get) because of that, I will enter eternity, where I will never need healed again, No sickness and no death then, PRAISE GOD.

You see it as a spiritual healing, I see it as a whole. Both physical and spiritual.

That's ok, You will die one day, Does not matter if you REFUSE to accept it or not.

Again, I never said I wouldn't die someday. That is if the lord tarries that long. However, if I do go, I don't have to do so because of a sickness or disease. That, I do not have to accept.
Once you start using the natural for your reasoning, you just left your faith in God and His word behind.

When did this go from a gospel of faith discussion to a healing discussion?

Since when was it about salvation? I use healing, because it is the most prevalent problem with Christian, and one of the easiest ways to see how faith works.

we never initiate anything, GOD allways does the initiating, that is grace.

Jesus Heals a Woman and Jairus's Daughter
Mar 5:21 And when Jesus was passed over again by ship unto the other side, much people gathered unto him: and he was nigh unto the sea.
Mar 5:22 And, behold, there cometh one of the rulers of the synagogue, Jairus by name; and when he saw him, he fell at his feet,
Mar 5:23 And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live.
Mar 5:24 And Jesus went with him; and much people followed him, and thronged him.
Mar 5:25 And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,
Mar 5:26 And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,
Mar 5:27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.
Mar 5:28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.
Mar 5:29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.
Mar 5:30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?
Mar 5:31 And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?
Mar 5:32 And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing.
Mar 5:33 But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth.
Mar 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Mar 5:35 While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's house certain which said, Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the Master any further?
Mar 5:36 As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe.
Mar 5:37 And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James.
Mar 5:38 And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly.
Mar 5:39 And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Mar 5:40 And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying.
Mar 5:41 And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise.
Mar 5:42 And straightway the damsel arose, and walked; for she was of the age of twelve years. And they were astonished with a great astonishment.
Mar 5:43 And he charged them straitly that no man should know it; and commanded that something should be given her to eat.

Did Jesus go to the other side to heal Jairus' daughter and the woman with the issue of blood. But both changed Jesus' course because of their faith.
Who initiated the woman's healing, Jesus or the woman? If you say Jesus, then I would like to know how, because He didn't even know what was going to happen until it happened. Or so it appeared.
What about Jairus? He asked Jesus to come lay His hands on his daughter and "she SHALL be healed." And what did Jesus do? Exactly what Jairus asked Him to do. "he took the damsel by the hand".
They were the ones who directed and moved the hand of God.

 

[know1]

What I said is biblical.....

FAITH ALONE SAVES
FAITH THAT SAVES can be SEEN by MEN based upon our works or fruit...

THE WORKS are the result of FAITH and SALVATION which one already POSSESSES....

riginally Posted by dcontroversal

Yeah and I don't recall addressing you with this statement bro......an my statement is biblical.......works are the result of faith.....works do not facilitate, embellish and or add to salvation........

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE..........and Romans...we CONCLUDE that a MAN is JUSTIFIED (rendered just and or innocent) by FAITH without works.....

James is found under the banner of SHOW ME YOUR FAITH........BEFORE men OUR FAITH is SEEN by what we DO (works)

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Amen...WORKS will never produce faith....the results of the faith one already possesses will produce the work.......such a simple thing hey.....many willfully remove themselves from the SIMPLICITY that is found in Christ....!

If you are talking about simply believing, then no, that is not biblical. I do not see faith and believing as the same thing. Of course, you cannot have faith without believing, but faith would not be faith without works. And the works I'm talking about is the same kind that causes God to move on the thing your faith is specifically directed at. A work of faith for salvation is over at conversion. A work of faith for a specific request is over when it manifests. Biblical faith is directed at something or some particular event or situation. And if you don't know if God is going to hold to His promise or if you don't know what His will is concerning that particular thing, then it won't manifest.
If I understand your kind of works correctly, you will do good things or good works in general, BECAUSE you trust God to work in you, to lead and guide.
The works I'm talking about are very specific and directed. Like pointing a gun or a laser at an intended target.

 

[know1]

Nope. this is not what the bible says.

James said if one CLAIMS TO HAVE FAITH. he NEVER once said they had faith, it was a claimed faith only. Was it a real faith?

Well for this James and paul agree.

Paul said we are SAVED BY GRACE Through FAITH and NOT WORKS. and that those who ARE SAVED BY FAITH WILL WORK because we are HIS WORKMANSHIP.

James said clearly, if you do not have the WORKS paul said you AS A TRUE BELIEVER would have, They your faith is DEAD (non existent.)

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

According to James, a man is NOT justified until he have works. A man is not justified by faith alone but when works accompany that faith.
Are you trying to tell me that you are justified before God when or because He leads you do good deeds, like giving to the poor, and that you are not justified until you do? Anyway, it sounds contradictory. I'm hearing two different and conflicting statements. You say you are saved by grace through faith and not by works, but James says that you are not justified until you have works, and because you have general good works, which is done through the Holy Ghost, you are somehow justified? I probably have this wrong, but that is how it comes across to me.
If a man is justified by works, then doesn't his salvation now hinge on doing good works.
Please explain the works with justification part.

 

[Utah]

Please be specific. If you would, give me an example.

Recently while waiting for my train in Trenton, NJ, a young guy who was a complete stranger to me missed his train going to Pittsburgh, PA, and he had no money for another ticket so I gave him $100 and never said anything about it until now. That's a work done in secret. And truth be told, I was mad at myself later for not giving him more money.

 

[pottersclay]

[FONT=&quot]John 6:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”


With this being said what did Jesus tell us to do?[/FONT]