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Yeah when Jesus said all the prophets spoke of Me.. It was because all the Prophets spoke of God.. Jesus and God are One..
So who did Moses and the Hebrews follow through the wilderness on their journey to the promised land???
Answer:::
1 Corrinthians 10 KJV
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
So who did Moses and the Hebrews follow through the wilderness on their journey to the promised land???
Answer:::
1 Corrinthians 10 KJV
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
This is why we should all read the Bible before we considere the doctrines of men.. We would be guarded against so much deception and falsities if people made the Bible their primary teacher instead of making men their go to source of truth in regard to the things of God..Simple.. because there are some places in the world where the Message of the Gospel has not been preached... Yeah really there is still places in the world where the gospel has never been preached... Their may be places where a false version of the Gospel has been preached.... But the true Gospel has not yet been preached to all the world..
Oh and Jesus never said that His return would happen upon the moment that the great commision would be complete.. He just said that it would not come before the great commision was complete...
Oh and Jesus never said that His return would happen upon the moment that the great commision would be complete.. He just said that it would not come before the great commision was complete...
In Paul's day, the gospel had gone out to the whole world(Colossians 1:5-6), been preached to every creature under heaven(Colossians 1:23) and had gone out to all nations(Romans 16:24-25).
Obviously, today, there are people groups who have not received the gospel, but their ancestors had received it at one time in history in Paul's day. They either rejected or believed it and did a poor job passing it on to the next generation. We're talking almost 2,000 years. Are you denying what Paul said?
Obviously, today, there are people groups who have not received the gospel, but their ancestors had received it at one time in history in Paul's day. They either rejected or believed it and did a poor job passing it on to the next generation. We're talking almost 2,000 years. Are you denying what Paul said?
No i would never deny the message of Paul.. But i will deny your interpretation of what Paul said.. It is clear that the Message in the day of Paul had not reached all nations.. But suppose it had by some miraculous miracle like God took a person in every region and gave them the message and they preached it so that everyone on the earth at the time of Paul had been presented with the Message of the Gospel... It would still not be a problem that the end would not have happened right away.. Because what Jesus said was that the end would happen after the great commission was done.. He still never said it would happen immediately upon the completion of the great commission.. He just stated it would not happen before the great commission was completed..
Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Colossians
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Colossians
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
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You're brushing past the 'realness' of the Olivet discourse. You can't do that.
Jesus really did speak directly with Peter, James, and John. Those three (and possibly a few others) really were told by Jesus to have an expectation of encountering the Abomination of Desolation and the subsequent "great tribulation". Those words really did apply to Peter, James and John because Jesus really did speak directly to them. Peter, James and John really did go through life with this expectation...assuming they were obedient to Jesus' instruction.
If those disciples went through life with those expectations...then so do we need to have the same expectations. There isn't one set of rules for Peter, James and John, the first believers of the Christian era...and another set of rules for modern-day believers.
These texts you've cited...I don't really understand your point. Paul preached to all of the known world. Or more precisely, he preached to the edges of the organized "cosmos". The English word "world" is translated from the word "cosmos" which means 'ordered system' or 'ordered domain'.
Paul preached all over the "cosmos" to the extent that the Devil had an organized world system in those days. In my understanding, the portion of the globe that was an organized system...only extended to a certain point -- Greater Europe and swaths of Asia and Africa. In this day and age, "cosmos" is referring to something that literally spans and envelopes the globe. It's not that difficult to sort this out.
In any case, neither of your texts say that what Jesus told to Peter, James and John in the Olivet Discourse wasn't true. The Olivet Discourse IS true. Jesus DID say those things to Peter, James and John.
Jesus really did speak directly with Peter, James, and John. Those three (and possibly a few others) really were told by Jesus to have an expectation of encountering the Abomination of Desolation and the subsequent "great tribulation". Those words really did apply to Peter, James and John because Jesus really did speak directly to them. Peter, James and John really did go through life with this expectation...assuming they were obedient to Jesus' instruction.
If those disciples went through life with those expectations...then so do we need to have the same expectations. There isn't one set of rules for Peter, James and John, the first believers of the Christian era...and another set of rules for modern-day believers.
These texts you've cited...I don't really understand your point. Paul preached to all of the known world. Or more precisely, he preached to the edges of the organized "cosmos". The English word "world" is translated from the word "cosmos" which means 'ordered system' or 'ordered domain'.
Paul preached all over the "cosmos" to the extent that the Devil had an organized world system in those days. In my understanding, the portion of the globe that was an organized system...only extended to a certain point -- Greater Europe and swaths of Asia and Africa. In this day and age, "cosmos" is referring to something that literally spans and envelopes the globe. It's not that difficult to sort this out.
In any case, neither of your texts say that what Jesus told to Peter, James and John in the Olivet Discourse wasn't true. The Olivet Discourse IS true. Jesus DID say those things to Peter, James and John.
Sometimes Biblical prophecy is a little more complicated-----I' m not a rapture " but"----- believe in it because I studied a lot to get licensed with the Assemblies of God----- you must only preach pre-trib rapture----I studied to see if I could agree---- I found the Rapture to be true to Scripture for me--- not hung on it--- know the Lord is coming---- hope to go on the first bus----Matthew 24 is an interesting Scripture----it is a different event than 1 Thessalonians 4:17---the elect in Matthew refer to the Jews---- the Tribulation is not for the Church---- it is not mentioned in Revelation except for the 7 letters--- it's the time if Jacob's trouble----the Jews were scattered to the 4 winds as judgment (Ezekiel 5:10, 12) (Ezekiel 17:21)----in Matthew the elect are gathered from the 4 winds----in 1 Thess. the saints are Raptured ( greek-- caught up) in the clouds to meet the Lord----in Matthew the elect came in clouds-----no one knows when the Rapture will happen---- no man knows the day or hour---- you can know the exact day of Christ's 2 and Coming-----Daniel's 70th week is detailed--- tell you more later--- from what I remember there is exactly 1270 days to Christ' return from the Abomination of Desolation ...in the middle of the Tribulation...
Plain and simple, the gospel of the kingdom is for the Jews concerning the "good news" of their promised kingdom arrival on earth with their Messiah as King ruling over the nations. When this gospel is preached unto all the world, the end will come. When will this happen? During the Tribulation by the two prophets and 144,000 Jewish male witnesses.
Book, chapter and verses in context that teach the 144,000 will witness during the tribulation period........
They are listed BEFORE the throne in HEAVEN
Following the LORD where ever he goes
and On Mount Zion with JESUS
There are no verses which teach they will be witnesses during the tribulation.......
They are listed BEFORE the throne in HEAVEN
Following the LORD where ever he goes
and On Mount Zion with JESUS
There are no verses which teach they will be witnesses during the tribulation.......
Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
These are the gleanings of the rapture at the end of the Tribulation who were translated to Mount Sion(Heb.12:22). Their seal and reception are revealed in Ezekiel 9. The 144,000 will be evangelizing the Gentile nations. A tenth will voluntarily remain in Israel for a willing sacrifice of martyrdom(Neh.11:1-2; Isa. 6:13; Rev. 6:9-11).
These are the gleanings of the rapture at the end of the Tribulation who were translated to Mount Sion(Heb.12:22). Their seal and reception are revealed in Ezekiel 9. The 144,000 will be evangelizing the Gentile nations. A tenth will voluntarily remain in Israel for a willing sacrifice of martyrdom(Neh.11:1-2; Isa. 6:13; Rev. 6:9-11).
The Great Tribulation is aimed at Israel and only Israel. Only those in Judea are told to flee. There is absolutely no need for the Church to be raptured to avoid the Great Tribulation of Israel. Many think the GT of Israel happened back in AD 70. Others think it's future, regardless, it has nothing to do with the Church or the Wrath of God which comes in response.
The 144,000 Jews will not be witnesses,but God will send two witnesses to Israel to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,which Jesus said the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,which Israel as a nation will come to the truth,and God will restore the kingdom on earth to them in the millennial reign of Christ.
Jesus was the firstfruits of the saints,and they will be gathered unto Christ,a spiritual kingdom.
The 144,000 are firstfruits to the kingdom restored to the Jews in the millennial reign of Christ.
Jesus was the firstfruits of the saints,and they will be gathered unto Christ,a spiritual kingdom.
The 144,000 are firstfruits to the kingdom restored to the Jews in the millennial reign of Christ.