How long is the tribulation?

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Revelation 11:2 KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

No doubt everyone agrees that this verse a tribulation verse. During that tribulation period one of the KEY indicators of that time is Jerusalem will be tread under foot by the Gentiles for forty and two months.

I don't know if you have noticed this or not, but Jerusalem has been tread under foot of the Gentiles for the last 2000 years. I'm not looking for a fight lol, I'm looking for a logical explanation of how Jerusalem will be tread under foot for 7 years being it ALWAYS has been tread under foot since AD 70.
 
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Revelation 11:2 KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

No doubt everyone agrees that this verse a tribulation verse. During that tribulation period one of the KEY indicators of that time is Jerusalem will be tread under foot by the Gentiles for forty and two months.

I don't know if you have noticed this or not, but Jerusalem has been tread under foot of the Gentiles for the last 2000 years. I'm not looking for a fight lol, I'm looking for a logical explanation of how Jerusalem will be tread under foot for 7 years being it ALWAYS has been tread under foot since AD 70.
42 months is not 7 years....it is 3.5 years.......and has not Jerusalem been under Jewish control for the last 70 years almost...........?

How is your fever?
 
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42 months is not 7 years....it is 3.5 years.......and has not Jerusalem been under Jewish control for the last 70 years almost...........?

How is your fever?
I'm better but not well, been hitting the motrin hard so I can work... thanks for asking. Don't the Muslims control the temple Mount?
 
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I'm better but not well, been hitting the motrin hard so I can work... thanks for asking. Don't the Muslims control the temple Mount?

The Holy city is not indicative of the temple mount necessarily......and a very interesting concept is found in the possibility that the Jews will set up more of a tabernacle near the spring which is below the temple mount rather than build a temple per se....
 

Desertsrose

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How about if we include verse 1 with verse 2.

Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, “Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it.

Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months.

During this time there will be a temple to be measured also. There hasn't been a temple in Jerusalem for quite some time.

During this time the Gentiles will have control of Jerusalem. They don't yet. Also, it will be a time when the two witnesses will prophecy and do miracles for 42 months also.
 

zone

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Revelation 11:2 KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

No doubt everyone agrees that this verse a tribulation verse. During that tribulation period one of the KEY indicators of that time is Jerusalem will be tread under foot by the Gentiles for forty and two months.

I don't know if you have noticed this or not, but Jerusalem has been tread under foot of the Gentiles for the last 2000 years. I'm not looking for a fight lol, I'm looking for a logical explanation of how Jerusalem will be tread under foot for 7 years being it ALWAYS has been tread under foot since AD 70.
what 7 years?
 

zone

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I'm better but not well, been hitting the motrin hard so I can work... thanks for asking. Don't the Muslims control the temple Mount?
don't go there...it's a dead end
 

Bladerunner

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The Holy city is not indicative of the temple mount necessarily......and a very interesting concept is found in the possibility that the Jews will set up more of a tabernacle near the spring which is below the temple mount rather than build a temple per se....

Where did you get that from. I don't think God would allow a tabernacle on any other place than the Temple Mount.
 

Bladerunner

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don't go there...it's a dead end

What do you mean by 'it is a dead end',,,,, The Muslims do control the Temple Mount....Jordan in Particular. By the Way,,,At this time Jerusalem (the Holy City) is controlled by Israel.
 

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[h=2]How long is the tribulation?[/h]
Revelation 11:2 KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

No doubt everyone agrees that this verse a tribulation verse. During that tribulation period one of the KEY indicators of that time is Jerusalem will be tread under foot by the Gentiles for forty and two months.

I don't know if you have noticed this or not, but Jerusalem has been tread under foot of the Gentiles for the last 2000 years. I'm not looking for a fight lol, I'm looking for a logical explanation of how Jerusalem will be tread under foot for 7 years being it ALWAYS has been tread under foot since AD 70.​
Thanks for asking KJV1611. This is not likely a literal forty-two months. I can not tell you the exact time in terms of hours or years or seconds and the like, but I can help you understand what is going on here. The term Gentiles in this case means the heathen or unsaved persons, while the term holy city means the true believers, not Jerusalem on a map.

"And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein."

When this verse talks about the temple of God it means the true believers in Christ. True believers are said to be measured, which is a way of saying they are numbered and saved. A measure of faith is given to each.

"But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

The court that is without the temple means those who are unsaved. They are not part of the body of Christ (his temple). They are not numbered among the saved and do not have a measure of faith. The term Gentiles here means something akin to heathen, in other words unbelievers. The term holy city means the true believers.

The entire tribulation period is often called an hour. It is not a literal hour but is a way of designating the time period in its entirety. The time period often seems to be divided in half by the Bible. We learn about this in Rev 8:1 for instance: "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." The term silence is used to indicate that it is a time when people are not being converted to Christ. If they were, there would be rejoicing, rather than silence, in heaven. No new souls are being converted to Christ because the Holy Spirit is withdrawn from the congregations coming from the church age at this time. The one who restrains sin of unbelief (the Holy Spirit) is taken out of the way (2 Thes 2:7). That is why there is no conversion at the time. This time of no new conversion, of silence, is the time when the true believers' true gospel is not heard in the congregations in a saving way. The Bible uses the parable terminology of the two witnesses (the true believers) lying in the streets of Jerusalem. They are effectively dead to the congregations, because their gospel is not heard there.
 
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Good question.

What is "42 months"

42 months = 1260 days.

Now, because we are talking about the Temple, with morning and evening sacrifices, (Daniel 8:14), the multiply/divide by 2 principle comes into play.

John 11 9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?

So, 12 = 24 hours.

Therefore, 1260 days = 2520 days.

Now, applying Ezekiel's day to a year principle. (Ezekiel 4:5), we can see the period here is

2520 years.

Judah and Jerusalem were made captive to Babylon in 608BC.

-608 + 2520 = 1913
(no 0 AD)

Now you have to understand Daniel really well, because there is an additional 120 years to add on.

So it actually ends 2033.

Which is fun, because Jesus was crucified and resurrected in AD 33, and had two more days and nights in the earth (sign of Jonah) of his 3 days and nights, which meant 2000 years. 2000 + 33 = 2033



 
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Revelation 11:2 KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

No doubt everyone agrees that this verse a tribulation verse. During that tribulation period one of the KEY indicators of that time is Jerusalem will be tread under foot by the Gentiles for forty and two months.

I don't know if you have noticed this or not, but Jerusalem has been tread under foot of the Gentiles for the last 2000 years. I'm not looking for a fight lol, I'm looking for a logical explanation of how Jerusalem will be tread under foot for 7 years being it ALWAYS has been tread under foot since AD 70.
February to August, 70 AD. 1.1 million killed.
 

Ahwatukee

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Hello KJV1611,

I don't know if you have noticed this or not, but Jerusalem has been tread under foot of the Gentiles for the last 2000 years.


As I have explained to you before, the trampling under foot, is in reference to when the temple is rebuilt and Israel begins to sacrifice and make offerings according to the law given to Moses and Israel. For the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, they will be in control of the temple, with the outer court given to the Gentiles. I believe that this will happen when that antichrist appeases both Islam and Israel, which will allow Israel to build her temple, putting the Dome of the Rock in the outer court. Then, in the middle of the seven years, the antichrist causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease and has that abomination set up in the holy place. This is what is being referred to when the temple and the holy city will be trampled on, which will be that last 3 1/2 years after Israel being in control of the temple for the first 3 1/2 years.

Also, as I have pointed out many times, the destruction of the temple in no way fits the description that Christ gives regarding that last 3 1/2 years, which He refers to as "tribulation, the great one."

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For then there will be great tribulation, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened."

The destruction of the temple, though terrible, greatly pales regarding what Jesus describes above. So bad will that tribulation be, that if it was allowed to go on any longer than the 3 1/2 years, no one would be left alive on the earth. This is of course in reference to the results of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments that will be taking place during that last seven years.
 

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The tribulation was set for the second half of the 70th week, meaning 3.5 years. But Jesus said; "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened" (Matthew 24:22). So the 3.5 years of tribulation will be shortened. Shortened to what? "And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months" (Revelation 9:10). The tribulation will last about 5.5 months.. jmo
 

jb

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Revelation 11:2 KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

No doubt everyone agrees that this verse a tribulation verse. During that tribulation period one of the KEY indicators of that time is Jerusalem will be tread under foot by the Gentiles for forty and two months.

I don't know if you have noticed this or not, but Jerusalem has been tread under foot of the Gentiles for the last 2000 years. I'm not looking for a fight lol, I'm looking for a logical explanation of how Jerusalem will be tread under foot for 7 years being it ALWAYS has been tread under foot since AD 70.
Luke 21v20-24, although partially fulfiled in 70AD, still has to be completely fulfilled!
 

Ahwatukee

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Luke 21v20-24, although partially fulfiled in 70AD, still has to be completely fulfilled!
Hello JB,

All of those signs that Jesus mentioned, will take place in the very last generation leading up to His return to the earth to end the age:

"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, [this generation] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

The generation that Jesus was referring to, was not the generation that he was speaking from, which would be grammatically incorrect, but generation where those signs begin to take place. One they begin, that generation will not be completed until all of those signs have taken place, with Christ returning at the end of them.
 
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39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

It is ambivalent as to the exact meaning. So I personally cannot say it is X or Y or Z .

The generation means two things. A genea is a blood lineage. A generation is also a period of time.
The blood lineage is clearly the Levites, (or the Levites + Jews
& Benjamites)
The fig tree is actually the symbol of Levi, so let's say it is Levites.

What does
"and to your children, to all that are afar off" mean? Again, ambivalent. It means both the House of Israel, and surely also means the future generations of Jews.....

Save yourselves from this untoward generation clearly has a primary urgent meaning of "save yourselves from the 70th week, (AD 67-73)."

 

jb

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Hello JB,

All of those signs that Jesus mentioned, will take place in the very last generation leading up to His return to the earth to end the age:

Exactly, BUT there was a partial fulfilment of it in 70 AD, with the "trampling by Gentiles" continuing throughout the whole of the age of Grace, right up to the Second Coming of Christ, as the Gentiles still have possession of the Dome of the Rock/Temple Mount, especially during the Great Tribulation when Matt 24v15 (with Dan 9v27, 11v31, 2Thess 2v1-12, Rev 11v1,2) occurs...
 
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It is the court which is trampled, the Temple is long gone. Circa AD 70
 

Ahwatukee

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It is the court which is trampled, the Temple is long gone. Circa AD 70
There will be another after that antichrist establishes his covenant with Israel and Islam, which is the same temple where the abomination will be set up in.