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    Reminds me of something a man said. Something like...God could never have blessed the man whose brothers sold him into slavery nearly as much by having them show him favor as He did by their showing him hatred.

    It was a beautiful quote but I have mangled it some.
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    He is so very good to us all. My prayer of late has been for all men to realize that everything proceeds from god, and He deserves all glory and thanksgiving. I realize I leave myself open to scoffers here, and I thank God for them too.

    God bless all in Jesus Christ and all who will come to Him. God bless all who know to give thanks in all instances, amen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    No, I disagree with your first part here. I think you were judging God by the world and that's why you were saying: come on people, use your common sense - you can look around you at the world and clearly see that there aren't many miracles. (This is my paraphrasing of what you said and what you intended, to my mind). And don't think I haven't been there too, by the way. The world wears me down and tempts me toward despairs of such a nature I can't even describe them.
    I'm not "judging God by the world". I'm simply saying that simple common sense observation should lead one to a reasonably firm conclusion that Jesus-style miracles are no longer ongoing. Which is to say...there are no longer with people with the "gift of healing" who are able to walk up to someone the way Peter did in Act 3:6 (as one example) and zap away profound blindness or life-long paralysis.

    I am not "despairing" about this. And I have previously explained I believe God is still performing all manner of miracles in people's lives. People are describing some miracles right here in this thread. Not a healing of a severed spinal cord or of life-long profound blindness...but from various kinds of "sickness" - the way it is referred to in James 5:14.

    As to your last sentence, this has no effect on me and I refuse to speak this way to you.(Though you are free to do it).
    I don't quite understand you here. I wasn't "speaking to you". And my words there were simply meant to be ironic. In other words, it ISN'T a 'lovely philosophy'...one which beats up people who can't or won't cough up phony miracle testimonies. Many, many demoralized, downtrodden people attending churches where these false claims abound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattTooFor View Post
    I'm not "judging God by the world". I'm simply saying that simple common sense observation should lead one to a reasonably firm conclusion that Jesus-style miracles are no longer ongoing. Which is to say...there are no longer with people with the "gift of healing" who are able to walk up to someone the way Peter did in Act 3:6 (as one example) and zap away profound blindness or life-long paralysis.

    I am not "despairing" about this. And I have previously explained I believe God is still performing all manner of miracles in people's lives. People are describing some miracles right here in this thread. Not a healing of a severed spinal cord or of life-long profound blindness...but from various kinds of "sickness" - the way it is referred to in James 5:14.

    I don't quite understand you here. I wasn't "speaking to you". And my words there were simply meant to be ironic. In other words, it ISN'T a 'lovely philosophy'...one which beats up people who can't or won't cough up phony miracle testimonies. Many, many demoralized, downtrodden people attending churches where these false claims abound.[/COLOR]
    I can't walk by the sight of my common sense observations of what is happening in the world. That's walking by sight. And where miracles are concerned, that's not the way. (Obviously I am not championing that we never use common sense.) But where miracles are concerned, you must walk by faith. My common sense will just say that it is apparent by looking at the world and how it works that it is impossible for donkeys to talk or dead and rotted flesh to be reanimated. And so that common sense based on observation of the world will cause this to happen: and He could not do many miracles in Jennies life because of her unbelief.

    As to the last part, no biggie. You didn't understand what I was saying.

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    First of all you don't know what you are talking about. That's the problem with some
    Christians. They want to teach and preach the Word of God, but they don't have
    the proper training and they ain't got no power. You can't defeat the devil in
    the flesh. How do we defeat the Devil? It's very simple. The Name of Jesus, The
    power of the Holy Ghost, and the Word of God. People need to get saved, but
    Christians don't really have any power until they get filled with the Holy Ghost.
    Yes I'm a Pentecostal and the mean and evil things you said about Benny Hinn
    are not right. Benny Hinn is a true man of God who preaches the truth from God's
    Word. Any person who believes that God does not heal is very foolish. God
    still heals people and supernatural miracles still happen. We just have to pay
    attention. God is always working. Here's some verses that can help you.
    1. 2Timothy3:16-17
    2.If you want to serve God get ready for persecution 2Timothy 3:12
    3. But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you
    Acts1:8
    4.There's Victory in Christ Jesus 1John5:4-5
    5. God put us on this earth to win Romans8:37
    6. Without Faith you can't please the Lord Hebrews11:6
    7.Jeremiah29:11-12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awakened View Post
    Why Don’t We See Miracles Like the Apostles Did?

    Are we not Spirit filled like they were or is it from lack of faith, prayer, or fasting?

    I believe we experience some miracles but nothing like they did.
    the supernatural acts and miracles always buttressed God's action.
    His words were verified by accompanying acts.

    but with the fullness of His revelation to us (the Bible) we do not need anyone or anything to confirm any of it to us.
    everything to be declared comes from the scriptures.
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    I truly believe the Book of Acts, and the first century church, was normal Christianity and He would like His church to return to that faith.
    Most of prayer is listening, obedience and faithfulness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacha24-7 View Post
    First of all you don't know what you are talking about. That's the problem with some
    Christians. They want to teach and preach the Word of God, but they don't have
    the proper training and they ain't got no power. You can't defeat the devil in
    the flesh. How do we defeat the Devil? It's very simple. The Name of Jesus, The
    power of the Holy Ghost, and the Word of God. People need to get saved, but
    Christians don't really have any power until they get filled with the Holy Ghost.
    Yes I'm a Pentecostal and the mean and evil things you said about Benny Hinn
    are not right. Benny Hinn is a true man of God who preaches the truth from God's
    Word. Any person who believes that God does not heal is very foolish. God
    still heals people and supernatural miracles still happen. We just have to pay
    attention. God is always working. Here's some verses that can help you.
    1. 2Timothy3:16-17
    2.If you want to serve God get ready for persecution 2Timothy 3:12
    3. But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you
    Acts1:8
    4.There's Victory in Christ Jesus 1John5:4-5
    5. God put us on this earth to win Romans8:37
    6. Without Faith you can't please the Lord Hebrews11:6
    7.Jeremiah29:11-12
    If you want to be successful in life do these 3 things
    #1 PutGod First
    #2 Honor your parents
    #3 show compassion and mercy to all people including your enemies.
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    If you believe in Benny Hinn, you're messed up from the floor up..... no other way to say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awakened View Post
    How does a person know for sure they have received the Holy Spirit?
    is Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    By faith and also we have a witness of the Spirit in our hearts. Not necessarily in our heads. Many times we need to have our minds renewed to the truths of the kingdom of God that is within us. It is with our heart that we believe. Romans 10:10

    We receive the Holy Spirit when we believed in the message of Christ.

    The process is:

    1) we hear the message of Christ

    2) we believe the message of Christ

    3) we become in manifestation what Christ is now because we see Him for who He really is. We are transformed to reflect in our outward behavior the life of Christ Himself by beholding the glory/goodness of the Lord by the Holy Spirit. 2 Cor. 3:17-18

    We can see this being done in Eph. 1:13 when we first received Christ. The whole of our Christian life from start to finish operates in this same exact truth.

    It is all by grace through faith in what Christ has already done for us.

    Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
    13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, ( 1)the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, ( 2) you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,( 3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystdancer50 View Post
    ...The biggest reason God has shown me of late is that Holy Spirit is hindered. There are things preventing Him from having complete access and control....
    are you certain this is what you mean to say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaumeJ View Post
    Sometimes when we are asking for a yes, the response is no......here is where our wisdom is put to the test and we must accept the reply.

    My own experience has been to thank God for all things, even things seemingly bad.good always comes from everything. It does for those who believe..
    This is one of those times when all Nos are unacceptable. I can go with God saying No for healing Mrs. and Mr. Valiant. I cannot accept No from God if it means not only aren't both healed, but both aren't helped either.

    I don't know how God will pull this one off. I do know Mr. and Mrs. Valiant cannot survive without God doing something about this. Since Valiant does not have the ability to lift, someone has to lift. I don't know if he has a helper in his home yet, but this is one of those sweat-blood prayers. We have to pray until God gives a way for Mr. and Mrs. to live through this. (Unless someone has a mill- or two to send.)



    Valient, do you need physical help? I mean, i know you can't pull your wife out of bed and up off the toilet, (one of my biggest fears with John -- that and him deciding he would take a shower and then not be able to get out of the tub), but do you have help for what you cannot do? And, if you do, long-term or short-term? (A nurse came to our house every other day, but had I needed to help John stand, that wasn't enough. And she and the therapists were only for the first three months, so it was good he stopped needing them at Month Two. So, I'm asking if you see the end of the help much sooner then the end of the need for help.)

    Again, need to know more to know how to pray.
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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by 88 View Post
    It's happening overseas----and it's coming to America-----Reinhart Bonnkee-----"America Will Be Saved"...
    Reinhard Bonnke - epic heretic

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    Quote Originally Posted by 88 View Post
    God is preparing the Church presently for this----it's happening overseas---it's coming to America---- I know a young man personally-- who raised a baby from the dead in Africa--been to Churches that are demonstrating Sign, Wonders, and Miracles----the most important thing is souls---God does not pour out His Wonders for entertainment (America Style)---but He is preparing a people to walk like the Apostles...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacha24-7 View Post
    First of all you don't know what you are talking about. That's the problem with some
    Christians. They want to teach and preach the Word of God, but they don't have
    the proper training and they ain't got no power. You can't defeat the devil in
    the flesh. How do we defeat the Devil? It's very simple. The Name of Jesus, The
    power of the Holy Ghost, and the Word of God. People need to get saved, but
    Christians don't really have any power until they get filled with the Holy Ghost.
    Yes I'm a Pentecostal and the mean and evil things you said about Benny Hinn
    are not right. Benny Hinn is a true man of God who preaches the truth from God's
    Word. Any person who believes that God does not heal is very foolish. God
    still heals people and supernatural miracles still happen. We just have to pay
    attention. God is always working. Here's some verses that can help you.
    1. 2Timothy3:16-17
    2.If you want to serve God get ready for persecution 2Timothy 3:12
    3. But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you
    Acts1:8
    4.There's Victory in Christ Jesus 1John5:4-5
    5. God put us on this earth to win Romans8:37
    6. Without Faith you can't please the Lord Hebrews11:6
    7.Jeremiah29:11-12
    If you want to be successful in life do these 3 things
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    Soooo, all 204 posts before you were from people who don't know what they're talking about?

    (Might want to be a bit more direct on who you're talking to. And, frankly, hope it wasn't me, because you don't know me enough to say I don't know what I'm talking about, so you turned me off enough to skip the rest of your boast at that very line.)
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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattTooFor View Post
    Oh boy. Reinhard Bonnke? Yikes. That guy is waaaaay off the reservation, in my view. No hard feelings.

    He is a part of that whole 'new-fangled' New Apostolic Reformation which claims they have authority to re-establish the offices of "apostles" and "prophets". And who exactly would have such authority to make these appointments? Unclear.

    Usually, it is C. Peter Wagner who does the honors. Here you have a YouTube of him "anointing" Todd Bentley who is acting like an unstable crazy man (go to the 5:30 mark) during the ceremony...and who immediately proceeded to dump his wife in favor of a pretty girl on the church staff.

    So much for the anointing authority and discernment of New Apostolic Reformation mucky-mucks! I mean...I took one single look at that Bentley guy, and thought 'who would think in a million years to anoint this guy for anything??'.

    Frankly, I think Wagner is an actual wolf. I don't know about Bonnke.
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    OH PURLEEEEEEZE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blain View Post
    what you say is true my friend I have seen these people you speak of he showed them to me in a dream once. The apostles were merely a foreshadow these people he is creating will walk in his light power and love on a level not even the church of acts expereinced
    be careful speaking for God that way blainer.
    He didn't tell you He's sending any new apostles/disciples with special power, because He hasn't told the church that (through the word).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan58 View Post
    Christians aren't given all the gifts, I believe most of them ceased in the first century. They were specifically given to the disciples; "Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases" (Luke 9:1). Miraculous healings were administered via Apostolic Authority, and there was no apostolic succession. "And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following" (Mark 16:20).

    Paul said; "Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds" (2 Corinthians 12:12). When the apostles passed away, these signs of their office also ceased. This is both scriptural and an historical fact. It is the testimony of the early church that the extraordinary gifts of tongues, miracles, healings etc., all passed away with the death of the apostles..

    "God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will" (Hebrews 2:4). These extraordinary gifts were signs given of God to confirm the word of the apostles in their preaching. They were only intended to function at the hand of the Apostles in confirmation of Christ.

    Miracles were performed to usher in the gospel and establish His Word, which is "built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets" Ephesians 2:20). Just as God appointed Prophets for a one time specific purpose, He likewise appointed and authorized the Apostles for a one time mission.

    There are no prophets today because they're not needed, there's nothing left to prophesize; "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things" (Matthew 13:23). And we are called by faith, we don't to get confirmation of Christ via miracles, as Jesus told Thomas; "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:29).

    And that's why you haven't seen a real miracle, prophet, apostle, or unicorn to this very day... jmo
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