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    Didn't God tell Kenneth Copeland that Ted Cruz was anointed to be the next POTUS ? Where's that drunk in the spirit when you need it ? Smith Wigglesworth often punched or slapped the face of those he healed. Sounds biblical to me
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    If you believe in Benny Hinn, you're messed up from the floor up..... no other way to say it.
    I believe in Jesus who gives Benny Hinn his ministry. Perhaps if we all prayed in the Spirit for 6hours before meetings like he does? We would see the same results.

    However, unbelief will put up a stop sign in our thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    Its only a question of time till the local charismatics/pentecostals register this thread and start to claim dozens of miracles, IMHO.
    and in so doing, they denigrate God's actual miracles - as they do with the other gifts
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    And not as you will either. If you say the Holy Spirit does not enable individuals to work miracles, you are infringing on His rights. That's presumptuous. You have no authority to say that the Spirit will not give this gift.

    The scriptures say He gives and you say He does not.
    the scripture does not say He gives to YOU
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    Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, & teachers will all be on Earth perfecting the saints....
    no thanks...
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    In a word: Unbelief.

    how is your belief?
    are you able to raise from the dead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zone View Post
    how is your belief?
    are you able to raise from the dead?
    In fact the answer to this question for any believing Christian should be, "Yes, of course." That ought to be normal Christianity but where is the faith? Then again you are a Cessationist, so its no surprise you are filled with doubt in so far as miracles for today are concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenFTW View Post
    In fact the answer to this question for any believing Christian should be, "Yes, of course." That ought to be normal Christianity but where is the faith? Then again you are a Cessationist, so its no surprise you are filled with doubt in so far as miracles for today are concerned.


    am so thankful to know there is healing 4 today!!!! its very encouraging to hear and see people healed in Jesus name. im being healed on so many levels even now mentally and in my bones. some r healed all at once, some 10 fold-20-30-70 fold its not the same all the time. our faith grows as we see His hand working in and on us.

    but i am also aware not all christians believe as i do. it does not change my faith in the matter however. it simply shows the need to get the truth out all the more along side with other believers like you ben!! and i have no annoyance with zone 4 believing differently on the matter as i know u dont either ben. we each have Christ and we go together from there. the HS is able to open eyes of faith
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenFTW View Post
    In fact the answer to this question for any believing Christian should be, "Yes, of course." That ought to be normal Christianity but where is the faith? Then again you are a Cessationist, so its no surprise you are filled with doubt in so far as miracles for today are concerned.
    Jesus Christ being God was proved by His miracles. Christ gave His apostles power and authority to serve as a sign and testament to Christ's being. Old testament miracles (manna from heaven, parting the red sea, water from the rock etc.) served their specific purpose for their specific time. New testament miracles did likewise. Interesting that those who use the claim .. "God never changes" aren't parting the seas or feeding the hungry with manna from heaven. They're not raising the dead either. Bogus claims degenerate the truth of God's power and majesty .. not uphold it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenFTW View Post
    In fact the answer to this question for any believing Christian should be, "Yes, of course." That ought to be normal Christianity but where is the faith? Then again you are a Cessationist, so its no surprise you are filled with doubt in so far as miracles for today are concerned.
    how many have you raised from the dead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by plainguy View Post
    Jesus Christ being God was proved by His miracles. Christ gave His apostles power and authority to serve as a sign and testament to Christ's being. Old testament miracles (manna from heaven, parting the red sea, water from the rock etc.) served their specific purpose for their specific time. New testament miracles did likewise. Interesting that those who use the claim .. "God never changes" aren't parting the seas or feeding the hungry with manna from heaven. They're not raising the dead either. Bogus claims degenerate the truth of God's power and majesty .. not uphold it.
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    Ah, PD is awful. My father has it. Nothing more heartbreaking than seeing what has happened to him has ever touched my life yet. I even prayed that God give it to me instead of him because dad just...had struggles with idols in his life even though he loved God in a very childlike way. And when his decline began, his faith wasn't strong enough to keep him firm through his suffering. He never once denied Jesus but he was not prepared for this testing of his faith. Now he can barely talk and I've had some moments of anger at God because I see no purpose and don't know why He won't take him out of this world and this suffering. It's like...I can suffer my own physical problems but I can't stand to see him suffer. It tempts me to despair instead of trust, because I understand that this is all temporary and my heart is not here. I WANT to leave here and be where there aren't tears and suffering ever again. I am not attached to this place and don't see how anyone even can be. And I understand that without any suffering of any sort, He would not be able to detach our hearts from here and attach them instead on perfection with Him. But sometimes He seems to have gone far overboard, like with PD and the dragging out of suffering for so long for those with it. And for the suffering of those who have to watch it happen to their loved ones.

    I understand that He tests our faith. I even understand that it's for my good, to grow it until it's unshakeable. And that this would be impossible without the tests of it. But it can so wear you down that you don't even know WHAT to pray except one thing over and over - have mercy on me, Lord, have mercy, hear my plea and have mercy and come to my aid somehow, whether it's stopping this or it's giving me understanding and peace with it and the power and strength to bear it, but I need something here and I need it now because I have no more strength and need SOME kind of mercy. Don't heal me, don't heal dad, fine. I'm okay with that and I trust You that You know what You're doing, I really DO trust You, but I need SOME kind of help and strength because I am exhausted and angry and bitter and empty and will remain that way until you have SOME kind of mercy on me.

    I prayed for you and your wife yesterday. I'll pray again and continue. If you wait on Him, He might not answer in the way you want, but He will answer in the way that is best to prepare you to bear the weight of His glory in eternity. Lynn has asked me to pm her immediately if you come back in, so we have a cord here of three strands, brother - you, lynn and me. And a three-stranded cord is not easily broken and I'm not a pretty prayer but I know how to street brawl pray and I will not stop until you say you have received mercy and strength in this in some way, whichever way He sees fit to bring it. Okay, I'm going to let lynn know you came back because we were both very anxious to speak with you and then go to our prayer closets until He answers in some way for you. Let's caterwaul and carry on until He is pleased to bring what you need, brother. Because we know He is always pleased to answer our need.
    Thank you dear brother. I empathise with you over your dad. My wife was a keen Christian. But now I do not know. I have to hold on and trust Him,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen63 View Post
    Heavenly Father, I thank you because I know You hear us, & that you're touched by the feelings of our infirmities. I thank you for healing, which is the children's bread.

    I pray with those who are agreeing together for valiant's wife who is very sick & needs emotional comfort & uplifting as she does healing in her body. I pray for her deliverance from her ailments & for her emotional healing that You would do a complete work that would bring glory to Jesus Your Son.

    I also pray for valiant, that You would touch him & heal him of his back injury & of this hernia that causes him much distress. I pray that he would be able to eat whatever he wants without any heartburn whatsoever. I ask this in Jesus' name, giving you thanks & glory for it, Amen.
    Thank you.
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    I do understand it hurts more to see someone we love hurting than hurting ourselves. We'd do just about anything to stop our spouse from hurting.

    "Just about." You're faith is strong. Know how I know that? Because you cannot deny God even for her. Nor should you.

    And I seriously mean it is a "cannot," because I know we'd consider it, if we could just make our spouse be better, but we know God is and he is who he says he is, just too well to give that up. And that is the strong faith I'm talking about. And that IS a gift from God.

    So do not think you aren't strong enough. You've got God giving you the strength to keep going, to keep loving, and to keep hurting for her, despite how much it hurts you too.

    Never take that for granted. 80% of marriages dissolve when a spouse becomes disabled. Yours did not because God is in you solidifying love that deeply.

    I can, (and will), pray for you and her. But, if God is going to do that miracle, it won't be through me. Call the elders of your church. Buy the oil, if you have to. And have them come and pray for both of you. (You need it too. Caregiver is as hard as care-receiver.) If they will not, you've got a funky church. Go down the list until you find a church (a real Christian church, not a cult, of course), who will.

    It really may well be a miracle, but not one that will happen without people there physically praying over both of you. (Belief has to be seen for this one.)

    And then again, you know as well as I do that it may not be your standard-issue miracle. It could be the thorn-in-the-side. Something we have to live through despite hating every second of it.

    BUT that is another reason to get elders from your church to come and pray. I have the same problem you have, although mine has been postponed by a miracle. With all the white noise going on in this thread, I don't know if you caught on. The first time you and I met on this site we were arguing over how God got the Israelites out of Egypt in a thread started by Old Hermit. (Remember those days? lol) I disappeared for a while after that.

    I disappeared because in November 2015, my husband had a massive heart attack, and I was where you were -- alone doing my best to care for him. He was in the hospital and then short-term-care at a nursing home until June 23, 2016. He really was miraculously healed, but it was over a long period of time.

    The first time they were calling me with information of what I'd need to take care of him from home was a year ago. (A year ago next week, I'm just realizing.) He lost mobility so much that the only thing he could do was lift his arms in such a way it looked like they were weighed down by 100 pound weights. He could move two fingers too. His pointing finger, (to tell the nurse to get him back into the bed, but the nurse ignored him), and his middle finger, (which he used at that nurse as the nurse walked away. lol) He had a feeding tube in his stomach and two "exit tubes." (If you get my drift, which I suspect you do.) He lost 90 pounds, so he "only" weighed 240. I've lost weight, so I "only" weighed 175. He's 6'1". I'm 5'9" and shrinking because my back is so bad I'm disabled.

    And the freaking case worker called me at home to tell me they will be delivering a bed, since he can't walk up the steps to his bedroom. (Can't walk up the steps? He couldn't even turn himself to the side!
    ) And because he couldn't move, she'd also send a commode, (HUH?), the feeding tubes, the foley, the ventilation equipment, (someone would teach me how to gather mucus from his trach -- oh peachy keen! I already learned enough to know that when I did that for him, he choked), and the ever-so-lovely poop tube. BUT, don't worry about it, because all that stuff is free.

    (I worried about it, and told his doctor he CANNOT come home, because he was still bleeding out, I'm no nurse and have no idea how to see if he needed blood once more could give it to him WHEN he needed it. The doctor laughed and guessed who called, then called her "over enthusiastic." But, even when hubby came home, neither one of us were quite ready enough. We just count on the VA so had to be let go then.)

    No one is here for us. Our church, once again, let us down. We've been disabled for years, so our friends moved on. And our family isn't nearby.

    So, I'd like you to have what we do not. If you are in a church where elders will come and pray, you might well get that miracle. You won't know, unless you reach out for it.

    BUT if that miracle doesn't happen, another one may. If they'll come to lay hands on her, hopefully they'll also notice you really need help. God's people coming together to help a brother and sister is another form of miracle.

    I will pray for God's will. I will hope for the first (THE miracle) and pray harder for the second. (HELP!)

    But never think you lack faith. God has already miraculously given that to you, along with a deep case of deep love for the love of your life.

    I wish I could physically help you. I would if I could. ButI hope I gave you where to go for that help. (And pray for the miracle that it works -- because that would be as big as healing both of you.)
    My pastor has anointed my wife with oil but she is still unhealed. I still pray that somehow He will show mercy. I rejoice with you over your husband's restoration. God bless you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    Is it more than just religious speak? There are a lot of religious people that say the same thing and quote the same verses but deny the deity of Christ and the necessity if His blood to provide forgiveness of sin.

    Its more than healing its new life. Its going from dead in sin to alive in Christ. Nicodemus was a very religious man but he needed to be born again by the miracle of grace received through faith.

    All of nature testifies to God being God but Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost.

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    If you want to over look what was said you go right ahead. what you are saying is a nothing but a deflection from the very statement I posted with the Word of God. I am not religious I am a born again Christian who believes Jesus Christ is Lord and preach that Jesus is God. No where was it even suggested that coming by way of the Cross of Jesus for salvation. That is a straw-man. Sozo is more than Healing as it was stated in the Greek translation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zone View Post
    how is your belief?
    are you able to raise from the dead?
    Do I believe, i.e trust that it is possible? Yes.

    Do I have doubt? Yes.

    Is belief, i.e. trust a two way street? Yes - belief, i.e. trust on the part of the one praying and belief, i.e. trust in the one waiting to receive.

    Doubt is the opposite of trust and any doubt small or great will negate trust and will effect the outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    I believe in Jesus who gives Benny Hinn his ministry. Perhaps if we all prayed in the Spirit for 6hours before meetings like he does? We would see the same results.

    However, unbelief will put up a stop sign in our thinking.
    Boinking Paula White isn't praying for six hours.
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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by valiant View Post
    My pastor has anointed my wife with oil but she is still unhealed. I still pray that somehow He will show mercy. I rejoice with you over your husband's restoration. God bless you.
    Do you have physical help?
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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by plainguy View Post
    Jesus Christ being God was proved by His miracles. Christ gave His apostles power and authority to serve as a sign and testament to Christ's being. Old testament miracles (manna from heaven, parting the red sea, water from the rock etc.) served their specific purpose for their specific time. New testament miracles did likewise. Interesting that those who use the claim .. "God never changes" aren't parting the seas or feeding the hungry with manna from heaven. They're not raising the dead either. Bogus claims degenerate the truth of God's power and majesty .. not uphold it.

    lol that is your opinion. God in the Old and New Testament has done many things and even used gentiles and women. The Word of God says HE never changes and parting the sea today or manna , I do believe God can still do it . Now if I am ever between the river and 5000 killers behind me I will let you know how God

    delivers me . saying something is bogus when it is recorded in the Bible and a person Believing God can still do that is not wrong.
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    Something to ponder....at the end of the age miracle workers will come on the scene and even call fire down from heaven to the extent that even the very elect will have the possibility of being deceived....if true biblical miracles are still valid I have a few questions....

    a) why are the morgues full and NO credible resurrections from the dead
    b) how can one distinguish between the literal and the fake which deceive
    c) why are all Children's hospitals full

    etc.........
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