Understanding Matt 24,Mark 13,Luke21
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Matthew 24 :KJV
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
If Jesus was talking about the generation He was talking to on the mount of Olives then the verses before verse 33 would make the prophecy of Jesus false because they did not see ::
None of the generation of disciples saw the following:::
Matthew 24 :KJV 29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
These verses are clearly speaking of the second coming of the LORD Jesus Christ.. Jesus did not return in 70 AD and they did not see the resurrection of the saints in 70 AD..
Therefore there are only 2 conclusions we can come to.. Either Jesus was a false prophet and therefore not the Messiah and LORD Or ""This generation"" is talking about the generation that would see ""All these things"" come to pass..
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
If Jesus was talking about the generation He was talking to on the mount of Olives then the verses before verse 33 would make the prophecy of Jesus false because they did not see ::
None of the generation of disciples saw the following:::
Matthew 24 :KJV 29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
These verses are clearly speaking of the second coming of the LORD Jesus Christ.. Jesus did not return in 70 AD and they did not see the resurrection of the saints in 70 AD..
Therefore there are only 2 conclusions we can come to.. Either Jesus was a false prophet and therefore not the Messiah and LORD Or ""This generation"" is talking about the generation that would see ""All these things"" come to pass..
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Here is an interesting observation about the passage of scripture recorded in Mt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. Each of these books record something the other two doesn’t.
Mathew records the sound of a trumpet, but not Mark and Luke.
Mathew 24:31 “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Mark records the abomination as being an it and not a him, i.e. a thing not a person, but not Mathew or Luke.
Mark 13:14 “But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:”
Luke records the end of the time of the gentiles, but not Mathew or Mark.
Luke 21:24 “And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
Is the trumpet of Mathew 24 the same one mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16, which most people label “the rapture?” How about the seventh trumpet that is sounded in Revelation chapter 10? At the sound of this trumpet it is declared, “that there should be time no longer” and also during the sound of this trumpet it is said, “But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished.”
If all these trumpets refer to the same event, and when it is sounded time ends and the mystery of God is finished, then where does a 7 year tribulation or 3 and half year tribulation fit into this description of the end? Also, how does a thousand-year millennial kingdom fit into this description?
What about the abomination of desolation of Mark 13:14 being an it? If it is a thing then how does this fit the idea of a person called the antichrist desecrating a rebuilt third temple in Jerusalem?
Then there is the time of the gentiles of Luke 21:24. I hear a lot of Christians comment on the first half of this verse concerning the event in which they-the Jews-“shall be led away captive into all nations”, but I don’t hear much about the second part of this verse that tells us when the time of the gentiles is over.
Could the second part of Luke 21:24 be telling us that Jerusalem will be under Gentile control until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled? If so, could we say that the time of the Gentiles ended June of 1967 at the end of the Six Days War when Israel regained control of Jerusalem? Presuppose that is correct and the time of the Gentiles is over and if so what does the bible label the time we’ve been in since June 1967?
Mathew records the sound of a trumpet, but not Mark and Luke.
Mathew 24:31 “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Mark records the abomination as being an it and not a him, i.e. a thing not a person, but not Mathew or Luke.
Mark 13:14 “But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:”
Luke records the end of the time of the gentiles, but not Mathew or Mark.
Luke 21:24 “And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
Is the trumpet of Mathew 24 the same one mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16, which most people label “the rapture?” How about the seventh trumpet that is sounded in Revelation chapter 10? At the sound of this trumpet it is declared, “that there should be time no longer” and also during the sound of this trumpet it is said, “But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished.”
If all these trumpets refer to the same event, and when it is sounded time ends and the mystery of God is finished, then where does a 7 year tribulation or 3 and half year tribulation fit into this description of the end? Also, how does a thousand-year millennial kingdom fit into this description?
What about the abomination of desolation of Mark 13:14 being an it? If it is a thing then how does this fit the idea of a person called the antichrist desecrating a rebuilt third temple in Jerusalem?
Then there is the time of the gentiles of Luke 21:24. I hear a lot of Christians comment on the first half of this verse concerning the event in which they-the Jews-“shall be led away captive into all nations”, but I don’t hear much about the second part of this verse that tells us when the time of the gentiles is over.
Could the second part of Luke 21:24 be telling us that Jerusalem will be under Gentile control until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled? If so, could we say that the time of the Gentiles ended June of 1967 at the end of the Six Days War when Israel regained control of Jerusalem? Presuppose that is correct and the time of the Gentiles is over and if so what does the bible label the time we’ve been in since June 1967?
Good Work!
You've got it right!
The times of the gentiles ended in 1967.
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The 7 times are the same time as the statue in Dan.2.
The angel in Dan 12 says, 3 1/2 times until the power of the holy people is scattered 70ad,
So the 1st 3 1/2 times is from the angel in Babylon until 70 ad.
The 2nd 3 1/2 times is from 70 ad until 1967, when Israel regains control of Jerusalem.
This would correspond to the statue of Dan. 2 being completed,
The rule of the gentile nations over Israel is over.
We are now between the statue completed and the stone striking.
The 5th trumpet is the trumpet of division or separation (5),
It calls on Israel to separate from the gentile nations.
The AoD is why Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad.
They are all about the times of the gentiles and their end.
It is the 2nd resurrection and then comes the end 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.
The 7 times are not literal years.
The 2 witnesses and the woman of Rev ch 12, are both talking about the same time period, 70 ad until 1967, the 2nd 3 1/2 times.
The temple measured in Rev 11 is the temple from pre 70 ad. It was measured but found to be not perfect after the new covenant of Christ came.
You don't hear it much because it throws a wrench into the theory of pre-trib.
What happens after the stone strikes?
Hello John,
Please stop spiritualizing the plagues of God's wrath! The 5th trumpet has nothing whatsoever to do with Israel, but has everything to do with the Abyss being opened and the releasing those demonic beings that are commanded to torment the inhabitants of the earth with tails and stings like that of a scorpion. It is just one of the plagues of God's wrath and will take place just exactly as it is written in the scripture.
The setting up of the abomination in the holy place within the temple, has not yet taken place. The setting up of the abomination is just one of the signs that Jesus described in Matt.24:15 which marks the middle of that last seven years. From the time that Jesus quoted Dan.9:27 until the destruction of the temple, there was no seven year agreement made with Israel, no abomination set up and neither has the desolation take place where Israel is to be cared for out in the desert for that last 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.
1) The 7th trumpet is not the last trumpet spoken of in 1 Cor.15:52
2) There is no mention within the context of a resurrection taking place at the 7th trumpet
3) The 7th trumpet is a plague of wrath and there is no blessing associated with it
4) The mystery of God that shall be completed after the blowing of the 7th trumpet is that, the seven bowl judgments are to follow bringing God's wrath to its end. After the seventh bowl judgment is poured out, Christ returns to the earth to end the age and establish his literal thousand year reign.
Do you just make this stuff up as you go along? The two witnesses will prophecy in Jerusalem for the first half of that literal seven year period and will be killed in the middle of the seven when that beast comes up out of the Abyss. When the abomination is set up in the temple, the woman/Israel, will flee to that place prepared for her by God and will remain there for the entire last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns to the earth to end the age.
The temple that John saw was a future temple. If you'll notice, after John is told to go and measure the temple and count the worshipers there, we never see the results of the measurement nor how many worshipers there are. The reason for this, is not to provide the reader with that information, but to let the reader know that there will be a temple during those last days. Nothing from Revelation 4 onward has yet taken place, for it is the the "what must take place later" of what John was told to write, with the church period being "what is now."
The Rock/Jesus that falls on the feet of the statue, smashing it to pieces without leaving a trace, is figurative for the dismantling of all human government, never to be reestablished again. After that, the Rock fills the entire earth, which represents the establishing of Christ's thousand year kingdom.
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Hi Samuel23
Though Jesus’ disciples were most likely thinking only of the immediate future, Jesus’ reply on that occasion was to have a twofold application (as I will attempt to demonstate):
first, during the “last days” of the Jewish system, and, much later, during the “last days” of Satan’s world system that embraces the entire inhabited earth.
In his lengthy answer, Jesus artfully addressed both aspects of the question.
First he foretold a time of terrible hardship for Jerusalem. Notice in particular his words recorded at Luke 21:20, 21: “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains....If Jerusalem was to be surrounded, encircled by encamped armies, how could “those in the midst of her” simply “withdraw,” as Jesus had commanded? Clearly, Jesus was implying that a window of opportunity would open up, as we know it did, obviously this is dealing with year 70AD.
Reading Matthew chapters 24 and 25, Mark chapter 13, and Luke chapter 21, we see unmistakable evidence that Jesus was talking about a different time period.
He foretold a time of wars—not just the “wars and reports of wars” that have always marred human history but wars involving ‘nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom’—yes, great international wars.—Matthew 24:6-8.
War however is only one aspect of the sign Jesus mentioned. He also warned that there would be “food shortages.” (Matthew 24:7) And so it has been in our time, though paradoxically the earth is producing more food than is needed to feed all mankind, though agricultural science is more advanced than ever in human history, though speedy and efficient transportation is available to transport food anywhere in the world. Despite all of that, about one fifth of this world’s population goes hungry every day.
Jesus also foretold that “in one place after another” there would be “pestilences.” (Luke 21:11) Again, our age has seen a strange paradox—better medical care than ever, technological breakthroughs, vaccines to prevent many common diseases; yet pestilential diseases have made unprecedented strides as nonetheless.
So while there was a partial, early fulfillment in the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple, Jesus’ words definitely pointed to the future beyond that day.
Additionaly about 30 years after the cataclysm that destroyed Jerusalem, Jesus gave the aged apostle John a vision showing that the prophesied conditions—war, famine, pestilence, and resultant death—were to arrive worldwide in the future. These distresses would embrace, not any one locality, but “the earth” as a whole.—Revelation 6:2-8.
The sign of the last days is especially convincing when taken as a whole.
When we take into account the features Jesus mentioned in the three Gospels, those in Paul’s writings, and those in Revelation, this sign has dozens of features.
A person might quibble about them one at a time, arguing that other ages have seen similar problems, but when we consider all of them together, they point to unmistakable conclusion, the second part of this prophesy is dealing with only one age—our own.
Though Jesus’ disciples were most likely thinking only of the immediate future, Jesus’ reply on that occasion was to have a twofold application (as I will attempt to demonstate):
first, during the “last days” of the Jewish system, and, much later, during the “last days” of Satan’s world system that embraces the entire inhabited earth.
In his lengthy answer, Jesus artfully addressed both aspects of the question.
First he foretold a time of terrible hardship for Jerusalem. Notice in particular his words recorded at Luke 21:20, 21: “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains....If Jerusalem was to be surrounded, encircled by encamped armies, how could “those in the midst of her” simply “withdraw,” as Jesus had commanded? Clearly, Jesus was implying that a window of opportunity would open up, as we know it did, obviously this is dealing with year 70AD.
Reading Matthew chapters 24 and 25, Mark chapter 13, and Luke chapter 21, we see unmistakable evidence that Jesus was talking about a different time period.
He foretold a time of wars—not just the “wars and reports of wars” that have always marred human history but wars involving ‘nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom’—yes, great international wars.—Matthew 24:6-8.
War however is only one aspect of the sign Jesus mentioned. He also warned that there would be “food shortages.” (Matthew 24:7) And so it has been in our time, though paradoxically the earth is producing more food than is needed to feed all mankind, though agricultural science is more advanced than ever in human history, though speedy and efficient transportation is available to transport food anywhere in the world. Despite all of that, about one fifth of this world’s population goes hungry every day.
Jesus also foretold that “in one place after another” there would be “pestilences.” (Luke 21:11) Again, our age has seen a strange paradox—better medical care than ever, technological breakthroughs, vaccines to prevent many common diseases; yet pestilential diseases have made unprecedented strides as nonetheless.
So while there was a partial, early fulfillment in the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple, Jesus’ words definitely pointed to the future beyond that day.
Additionaly about 30 years after the cataclysm that destroyed Jerusalem, Jesus gave the aged apostle John a vision showing that the prophesied conditions—war, famine, pestilence, and resultant death—were to arrive worldwide in the future. These distresses would embrace, not any one locality, but “the earth” as a whole.—Revelation 6:2-8.
The sign of the last days is especially convincing when taken as a whole.
When we take into account the features Jesus mentioned in the three Gospels, those in Paul’s writings, and those in Revelation, this sign has dozens of features.
A person might quibble about them one at a time, arguing that other ages have seen similar problems, but when we consider all of them together, they point to unmistakable conclusion, the second part of this prophesy is dealing with only one age—our own.