Gods Holy People - us the redeemed, washed and perfected

[PeterJens]

When Paul preached the gospel and wrote the letters he wrote the believers
at most where 10 years old, with less biblical knowledge and support that we have today
and Paul called them Holy.

who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood
1 Peter 1:1

To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 1:7

If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:16

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Rom 12:1

But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.
Eph 5:3

to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word
Eph 5:26

Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Col 3:12

For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4:7

But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do
1 Peter 1:15

what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives
2 Peter 3:11

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.
Jude 1:3

We are washed by Gods word. We need to focus on what God defines as
sinful and what is cleansed pure and blameless.

You are not holy because you feel Holy, but because God has made you Holy,
undefiled, washed, purified, forgiven, healed, made right, with open pure hearts,
search to show love, and do good works.

Do you believe God and His apostles? If inside you condemn yourself spend time
reading and letting Gods word minister to your souls. Dwell on the promises so they
are your own, start to live with an open heart, in the light, not in darkness, in purity
and caring, lifting all to Jesus. Do I feel Holy? No, but I begin to see Christ has made
me holy, forgiven, undefiled walking in righteousness through His cross, repentance
and confession.

Look with the eyes of faith and see the words, and let God minister the truth to your
heart.

 

[Willie-T]

Boy, could that ever be a total misunderstanding of what "Holy" means as it refers to Believers. No wonder some people have such an elevated view of themselves.

 

[Ariel82]

????

I see nothing wrong with this statement:

Christ has made
me holy, forgiven, undefiled walking in righteousness through His cross, repentance
and confession.

 

[PeterJens]

Boy, could that ever be a total misunderstanding of what "Holy" means as it refers to Believers. No wonder some people have such an elevated view of themselves.

Willie - you are suggesting Holy in terms of Gods people does not mean Holy in their
behaviour?

Paul spoke about the behaviour worthy of Gods Holy people.
He talks of the things we should think about, the words we should speak, the thoughts and things
we should dwell upon, the things we should do.

It would be hard therefore to suggest when Paul used the word Holy and linked it directly to a
style and way of life, it meant living like this is Holy living.

Now many here already has a self condemning bias, from their background and deny anyone
can walk in a Holy way, which by itself is a contradiction of Pauls clear advice.

Now if emotionally you cannot accept this idea, the words saying it will hurt and you will change
them to a different meaning. I have no control over this happening, but to those who have eyes,
just read the verses above.

 

[Willie-T]

????

I see nothing wrong with this statement:

Well, maybe one day you will come to see it.

 

[PeterJens]

Well, maybe one day you will come to see it.

Willie - After reading your testimony and how seriously you took the religious positions of your
denomination, I can understand how you feel the way you used to interpret these words is the
same as me.

All I can say, walking with an open heart makes all the difference, and many try to walk in
a holy way in legalism, which is futile.

So I wonder do you know the difference and what I am referring to?
Already over the years I know many emotional issues I have touched on, you have totally
not understood, so it does not surprise me this might mean nothing to you but hypocracy.

 

[Willie-T]

Willie - After reading your testimony and how seriously you took the religious positions of your
denomination, I can understand how you feel the way you used to interpret these words is the
same as me.

All I can say, walking with an open heart makes all the difference, and many try to walk in
a holy way in legalism, which is futile.

So I wonder do you know the difference and what I am referring to?
Already over the years I know many emotional issues I have touched on, you have totally
not understood, so it does not surprise me this might mean nothing to you but hypocracy.

There are some on this forum who come right out and declare they never even sin, they are convinced they are so "Holy."

 

[John146]

When Paul preached the gospel and wrote the letters he wrote the believers
at most where 10 years old, with less biblical knowledge and support that we have today
and Paul called them Holy.

who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood
1 Peter 1:1

To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 1:7

If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:16

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Rom 12:1

But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.
Eph 5:3

to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word
Eph 5:26

Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Col 3:12

For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4:7

But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do
1 Peter 1:15

what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives
2 Peter 3:11

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.
Jude 1:3

We are washed by Gods word. We need to focus on what God defines as
sinful and what is cleansed pure and blameless.

You are not holy because you feel Holy, but because God has made you Holy,
undefiled, washed, purified, forgiven, healed, made right, with open pure hearts,
search to show love, and do good works.

Do you believe God and His apostles? If inside you condemn yourself spend time
reading and letting Gods word minister to your souls. Dwell on the promises so they
are your own, start to live with an open heart, in the light, not in darkness, in purity
and caring, lifting all to Jesus. Do I feel Holy? No, but I begin to see Christ has made
me holy, forgiven, undefiled walking in righteousness through His cross, repentance
and confession.

Look with the eyes of faith and see the words, and let God minister the truth to your
heart.

Paul said of those carnal, worldly Corinthians believers: "ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

 

[PeterJens]

Paul said of those carnal, worldly Corinthians believers: "ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

It is an interesting point. Paul was addressing them after they had repented and were no longer
in unrepentant sin.

 

[PeterJens]

There are some on this forum who come right out and declare they never even sin, they are convinced they are so "Holy."

I have never seen this, but I have seen beleivers who hold they can walk blamelessly, and in
purity and holiness after they have repented, confessed and be washed by the blood of Jesus.

It is why people were called saints, the Holy people of God.

 

[88]

If a person is too "holy"---- people can see right through them...

 

[OneFaith]

When Paul preached the gospel and wrote the letters he wrote the believers
at most where 10 years old, with less biblical knowledge and support that we have today
and Paul called them Holy.

who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood
1 Peter 1:1

To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 1:7

If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:16

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Rom 12:1

But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.
Eph 5:3

to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word
Eph 5:26

Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Col 3:12

For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4:7

But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do
1 Peter 1:15

what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives
2 Peter 3:11

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.
Jude 1:3

We are washed by Gods word. We need to focus on what God defines as
sinful and what is cleansed pure and blameless.

You are not holy because you feel Holy, but because God has made you Holy,
undefiled, washed, purified, forgiven, healed, made right, with open pure hearts,
search to show love, and do good works.

Do you believe God and His apostles? If inside you condemn yourself spend time
reading and letting Gods word minister to your souls. Dwell on the promises so they
are your own, start to live with an open heart, in the light, not in darkness, in purity
and caring, lifting all to Jesus. Do I feel Holy? No, but I begin to see Christ has made
me holy, forgiven, undefiled walking in righteousness through His cross, repentance
and confession.

Look with the eyes of faith and see the words, and let God minister the truth to your
heart.

What you stated is true, however, it is only one ingredient in a batch of dough. If I were to make cookies, for example, flour may be the main ingredient, but flour alone will not produce cookies. Yes, we can rejoice and be confident and glad that we are saved, but at the same time we need to "work out our salvation with fear and trembling."

We must remain humble and give effort instead of relaxed and give no effort. Paul sang in prison because he is going down the road that leads to eternal life. But this same Paul said that even he must remain self-controlled so that he himself does not get disqualified for "the prize" (heaven), even though he taught others how to get there.

 

[Willie-T]

If a person is too "holy"---- people can see right through them...

Is that of much importance if we can never see ourselves as we are?

 

[John146]

It is an interesting point. Paul was addressing them after they had repented and were no longer
in unrepentant sin.

Throughout the letter he calls them out for what they are currently doing. It's one of the purposes of his letter, to address the current problems within the church. Here are just a few samples:

Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Flee fornication.

Why the advice to flee fornication?

 

[PeterJens]

Something that is profound is the difference between word heart and word applied.

The word heard is the promise to be, the word applied is the promise received.

So Jesus said follow me and I will make you fishers of men.
They had to follow and learn, and only at the end did the become what was promised.

So most of the most profound truths, only are understood when the fruit is havested
in your heart, it is not a try before you buy option, it is trust and obey, and you will
find the way.

 

[Willie-T]

A friend of mine wrote this. (This is only a small portion of what he wrote on this.)

NO CIGARS OR “RATED-R’s”
Now, in my late teens and early 20’s, the word “holy”, to me, was referent to a sort of ultimate morality. My understanding of “holy” was that it was something akin to Puritanism on steroids. It spoke of rules of conduct and Godly living. Holiness, in my mind, dealt with what we watched on television, what we put into our bodies, and how we spent our time on Sunday mornings, particularly between the hours of 8 AM and Noon.

If one abstained from alcohol and tobacco, this was “holy” living. If one shunned cigars and “Rated-R’s” they were “holy”, and if one checked the box marked “R” (for republican) on voting day, that was “holiness”. If one lived up to certain qualifications, prayed enough, witnessed enough, and did enough “stuff” for God, they were “holy”.

“Holiness” was also a way of distinguishing between the good and the bad. Some activities were holy, while others were unholy. It also served as a way to distinguish between individuals claiming to be Christians. If they went to the movies and listened to secular music, they were unholy. However, if they occupied themselves with the more noble practices of prayer and evangelism, then they were candidates for “holiness”. If they missed a Sunday morning service in order to catch up on family time, they were unholy, but if they faithfully dented the pew and added mass to the bag, I’d consider nominating them for a holiness award.

Now, this was merely my concept of what human holiness looked like. If we were to talk about the holiness of God, however, well, that was another animal entirely. God’s holiness was like a supercharged, electric fence of perfection that kept all who were impure and sinful far, far away. Even the most benign of unconfessed sins could keep you from my version of God, for He was “holy”, and nothing that smacked of compromise could stand before Him. Surely, if a sinner were to enter His presence, the electric power of His holiness would leave them sizzling like bacon on a hot griddle. God’s holiness, to me, was the most unattainable, and unapproachable force in the galaxy. This definition, however, caused God to appear very distant, very hard to relate to, and certainly not one whom I was all that eager to meet up with while in a perceived state of sinfulness.

BIBLICAL HOLINESS
The Biblical definition of “holy”, however, carries a very different meaning from the one that I just presented. The Old Testament Hebrew word for “holy” is the word kodesh, which essentially means dedicated. This dedication is very literal. It does not speak of dedicated in the sense of a man being dedicated to performing a certain task, but of one thing belonging to, and therefore being dedicated unto another.

For instance, in Genesis 2: 3, God declared the Sabbath day to be “holy”. Is the day holy because it abstains from immorality? Or perhaps because it has never been unfaithful to its spouse? Of course not! It’s a day of the week, and therefore does not “behave”, as it is a thing, and not a person. The Sabbath is called “holy” because God declared it to be a day dedicated unto rest. Therefore, this day was not for common purposes, as it was dedicated unto the Lord. The Sabbath was treated differently, not to make it holy, but because it already was holy, or dedicated. The Sabbath’s holiness was derived from its dedication unto, and relationship with, God. If people violated the Sabbath and treated it as common, its holiness remained intact. The actions of others could not alter the fact that God had declared it to be a holy and dedicated thing, and the reason it was to be honored was that it was already holy by virtue of its relationship to God.

Similarly, the instruments and utensils used in the Temple were declared to be “holy”, and therefore not to be used for common purposes. Again, “holy”, in this context has nothing to do with behavior, but with belonging. The Sabbath is to be honored in a certain fashion because it is dedicated unto, and belongs to, the Lord. Likewise, the temple, along with its furnishings and instruments, belonged to the Lord, and were therefore not for common, everyday use.

 

[PeterJens]

Throughout the letter he calls them out for what they are currently doing. It's one of the purposes of his letter, to address the current problems within the church. Here are just a few samples:

Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Flee fornication.

Why the advice to flee fornication?

John, Paul is unsure about falling away, about how grace and sin work together.
And it truth, if you ever planted a garden you will know the fight between plants
before you see which survives and which succumbs.

So Paul argues with the motivation of people. sowing to the old self or to the new
creation in the Spirit. We are always at a cross roads, and discipleship is a test
of faith. As the letter to the churches in revelation emphasis, to the victorious,
glory. Fight on to leave this world of sin, or perish in its lostness.

 

[Ariel82]

There are some on this forum who come right out and declare they never even sin, they are convinced they are so "Holy."

; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:16

 

[Ariel82]

I agree with your friend Willie, Holy means to be set apart or dedicated to God's service.

We are made holy by God and His grace. Cleanse by the blood.

It isn't dependent on if we "feel holy" it is because God has made us thus when He adopted us as His beloved children,

 

[Ariel82]

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Rom 12:1


Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Col 3:12