The Thrill is Gone
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That verse is modified, or at least I don't see a translation that says it that way.
[h=1]Matthew 5:22English Standard Version (ESV)[/h] [SUP]22 [/SUP]But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother[SUP][a][/SUP] will be liable to judgment; whoever insults[SUP][b][/SUP] his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell[SUP][c][/SUP] of fire.
it is clearly referring to a brother.
[h=1]Psalm 14English Standard Version (ESV)[/h]14 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds;
there is none who does good.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man,
to see if there are any who understand,[SUP][a][/SUP]
who seek after God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt;
there is none who does good,
not even one.
The bible clearly supports the idea of non believers being fools, or at least having foolish thoughts or behaviors. I am not to judge, but you can read for yourself.
[h=1]Matthew 5:22English Standard Version (ESV)[/h] [SUP]22 [/SUP]But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother[SUP][a][/SUP] will be liable to judgment; whoever insults[SUP][b][/SUP] his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell[SUP][c][/SUP] of fire.
it is clearly referring to a brother.
[h=1]Psalm 14English Standard Version (ESV)[/h]14 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds;
there is none who does good.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man,
to see if there are any who understand,[SUP][a][/SUP]
who seek after God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt;
there is none who does good,
not even one.
The bible clearly supports the idea of non believers being fools, or at least having foolish thoughts or behaviors. I am not to judge, but you can read for yourself.
Well, if you want to know the meaning of life, then ask Monty Python. 
It seems to me that to ask if "life" has a meaning is a category error. It's like asking what is the scent of anger. A statement has meaning (usually). By contrast, life as the phenomenon of the time from a thing's coming into being to its end does not and cannot have meaning.
Why are we here? Humans are the result of nature's undirected, indifferent, and unconscious evolutionary processes.
It seems to me that to ask if "life" has a meaning is a category error. It's like asking what is the scent of anger. A statement has meaning (usually). By contrast, life as the phenomenon of the time from a thing's coming into being to its end does not and cannot have meaning. Why are we here? Humans are the result of nature's undirected, indifferent, and unconscious evolutionary processes.
As long as you don't troll, you are more than welcome to discuss the issues.
I think that Jesus may be mythical. If he did live, then he was so different from the Jesuses we believe in today that to speak of him may make little sense.
As far as I know the main evidence for Jesus is the New Testament and some short passages from pagan and Jewish sources. These writers could have easily made him up or were duped by other people who made him up.
Are you saying that if I don't believe what Christians say then I'm heartless? Did somebody tell you that?
I think that Jesus may be mythical. If he did live, then he was so different from the Jesuses we believe in today that to speak of him may make little sense.
As far as I know the main evidence for Jesus is the New Testament and some short passages from pagan and Jewish sources. These writers could have easily made him up or were duped by other people who made him up.
Are you saying that if I don't believe what Christians say then I'm heartless? Did somebody tell you that?
A brother would be someone in the brotherhood, or a person in Christ. The bible clearly talks about fools being ones who reject God (in several verses).
This is a matter of faith, there is no proof that can be proven as fact either way, but as Paul explained in Romans 1:20-25 that unbelievers know there is really a God, because its evident in creation, but by their unrighteousness suppress the truth and trade it for a lie, worshiping the creation instead of the creator God. (paraphrase). If you really don't believe there is a God, then why are you here? If it was all truly nonsense to you, then you wouldn't give it your precious time at all. And time truly is precious to an atheist since they are only expecting to live until this life is past then vanish.
Romans 1:18-25English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[SUP][a][/SUP] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Claiming to be wise, they became fools, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, [SUP]25 [/SUP]because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
This is a matter of faith, there is no proof that can be proven as fact either way, but as Paul explained in Romans 1:20-25 that unbelievers know there is really a God, because its evident in creation, but by their unrighteousness suppress the truth and trade it for a lie, worshiping the creation instead of the creator God. (paraphrase). If you really don't believe there is a God, then why are you here? If it was all truly nonsense to you, then you wouldn't give it your precious time at all. And time truly is precious to an atheist since they are only expecting to live until this life is past then vanish.
Romans 1:18-25English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[SUP][a][/SUP] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Claiming to be wise, they became fools, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, [SUP]25 [/SUP]because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
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If you had really read the Gospels with knowledge of the background you would have realised the folly of your own position. Furthermore His unique teaching alone is evidence that He lived.
Are you saying that if I don't believe what Christians say then I'm heartless? Did somebody tell you that?[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that if I don't believe what Christians say then I'm heartless? Did somebody tell you that?[/QUOTE]
On the contrary for me....the more I have evaluated it the more things I see that prove it is beyond the mere minds of men to produce.....there are things that men would have missed and to your points....
a) contradictions.....none when taken in context, understanding the verbiage, verb tense, historicity etc...
b) false prophecies....not all have been fulfilled and many are geo/culturally specific in scope
c) absurdities....things happen every day that go beyond the scope of the normal and or what men can accept as possible
d) barbaric acts...sure...a record of history and some barbaric acts end with good or have grace woven through
a) contradictions.....none when taken in context, understanding the verbiage, verb tense, historicity etc...
b) false prophecies....not all have been fulfilled and many are geo/culturally specific in scope
c) absurdities....things happen every day that go beyond the scope of the normal and or what men can accept as possible
d) barbaric acts...sure...a record of history and some barbaric acts end with good or have grace woven through
Well, if you want to know the meaning of life, then ask Monty Python. It seems to me that to ask if "life" has a meaning is a category error. It's like asking what is the scent of anger. A statement has meaning (usually). By contrast, life as the phenomenon of the time from a thing's coming into being to its end does not and cannot have meaning.
Why are we here? Humans are the result of nature's undirected, indifferent, and unconscious evolutionary processes.
It seems to me that to ask if "life" has a meaning is a category error. It's like asking what is the scent of anger. A statement has meaning (usually). By contrast, life as the phenomenon of the time from a thing's coming into being to its end does not and cannot have meaning. Why are we here? Humans are the result of nature's undirected, indifferent, and unconscious evolutionary processes.
We have relative truth and identity. Christ bridges the gap between our relative identity
and God.
There are rational reasons to believe Jesus, the most cogent is His message is so absurd
if it was not true, no one would have ever believed it. And the core message is we are
so lost we do not want to find Him or freedom. But He is prepared to discuss with us
the basics. If we are prepared to listen.
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Actually,the bible is the only book that authenticates itself in prophecy fulfilled. Most Jews reading the NT become believers for that reason.
Like you say,it would be impossible,naturally,to have that many prophecy's fulfilled by Jesus at his ministry.
even as a baby
taken to egypt...that it may be fulfilled
Bethlehem...that it might be fulfilled
Nazareth...that it might be fulfilled.
and on the day he was crucified,what,50 fulfillment's?
Like you say,it would be impossible,naturally,to have that many prophecy's fulfilled by Jesus at his ministry.
even as a baby
taken to egypt...that it may be fulfilled
Bethlehem...that it might be fulfilled
Nazareth...that it might be fulfilled.
and on the day he was crucified,what,50 fulfillment's?
To one person a contradiction is just two perspectives of a truth.
How many words or contexts do you need to create an insight into what you mean by any
statement, because all statements are summaries of some point, and we hope with a similar
background the other party can understand. Unfortunately this sometimes never occurs,
and all you get is fuzz and static.
Put two ideas in science together, quantum mechanics and general relativity. How can both
exist, yet you can show they do. Or why does a diffraction grating appear to confirm
wave properties of light as well as its particulate nature. Both cannot be true, yet they are.
For me the most interesting idea, if you subdivide everything down to its parts when does this
stop? When it is either one thing or the other, but not both. This whole construct may be
an illusion, a projection, a mathematical definition of existance. Being in the system we are
limited by it so can only theorise. lol. So nothing is certain, and everything is relative.
How many words or contexts do you need to create an insight into what you mean by any
statement, because all statements are summaries of some point, and we hope with a similar
background the other party can understand. Unfortunately this sometimes never occurs,
and all you get is fuzz and static.
Put two ideas in science together, quantum mechanics and general relativity. How can both
exist, yet you can show they do. Or why does a diffraction grating appear to confirm
wave properties of light as well as its particulate nature. Both cannot be true, yet they are.
For me the most interesting idea, if you subdivide everything down to its parts when does this
stop? When it is either one thing or the other, but not both. This whole construct may be
an illusion, a projection, a mathematical definition of existance. Being in the system we are
limited by it so can only theorise. lol. So nothing is certain, and everything is relative.