The key phrase by Jesus was,"I NEVER knew you". These folks had great Christian ministries yet they were not really Christian, they were following a fake Jesus, a fake gospel, and a fake spirit...there is much of this sort of thing today in the Pentecostal movement. I can think of two women of some years back who had huge ministries and there is substantial evidence that they were following a false spirit believing it to be the Holy Spirit.
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No one can really tell who is a real Christian and in Christ as Jesus said that the tares are in with the wheat. Tares look exactly like wheat so even the so-called clean leaving people do not mean that they are true Christians and in Christ.
Jesus said that we are to leave the tares alone and the angels will separate the wheat from the tares. The best policy is to preach the grace and love of God which is shown in Christ and let the seed of the word of God do it's work.
There way too many of us trying to tear up the tares and we are not qualified to do so. That is not our job.
Jesus said that we are to leave the tares alone and the angels will separate the wheat from the tares. The best policy is to preach the grace and love of God which is shown in Christ and let the seed of the word of God do it's work.
There way too many of us trying to tear up the tares and we are not qualified to do so. That is not our job.
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The way you put yourself across is very strange, you sound like some sort of advertising or
game show host. Most people when coming across a group of strangers either in real life or
the internet, would introduce themselves, get to know people a little.
If you think you have something worthwhile to bring to half a million people, or
you believe you are called to present Gods word, there are better ways of doing this otherwise
you come across as some sort of scam artist (You might still be for all I know).
No one goes from nought to instant recognition, fame, renowned bible teacher over night. But
you seem to want to do this. I saw your other thread where you had tried something similar at
your church. If the time is right and you are genuine, then God will open the doors for you. If
they keep slamming shut in your face that should tell you something. There's nothing wrong with
enthusasim but it needs a certain level of emotional and spiritual maturity and growth to be the
aforementioned.
First there is God's timing, proving yourself, earning the right and respect to teach, there are a lot
of charlatans out there, people won't listen to someone who pops up out of nowhere and says
hear me I have the answers, only I know the truth etc. That's how cults are born.
If an unknown person turned up at your church announcing I'm the great interpreter of scripture,
hear me only I know the truth, it will astound you etc. Would you instantly give that person a
microphone and pulpit?
As far as I am aware the only person who is qualified to do that is Jesus.
So how about you introduce yourself, tell us a bit about yourself, what your beliefs are etc.
Get to know this place etc.
game show host. Most people when coming across a group of strangers either in real life or
the internet, would introduce themselves, get to know people a little.
If you think you have something worthwhile to bring to half a million people, or
you believe you are called to present Gods word, there are better ways of doing this otherwise
you come across as some sort of scam artist (You might still be for all I know).
No one goes from nought to instant recognition, fame, renowned bible teacher over night. But
you seem to want to do this. I saw your other thread where you had tried something similar at
your church. If the time is right and you are genuine, then God will open the doors for you. If
they keep slamming shut in your face that should tell you something. There's nothing wrong with
enthusasim but it needs a certain level of emotional and spiritual maturity and growth to be the
aforementioned.
First there is God's timing, proving yourself, earning the right and respect to teach, there are a lot
of charlatans out there, people won't listen to someone who pops up out of nowhere and says
hear me I have the answers, only I know the truth etc. That's how cults are born.
If an unknown person turned up at your church announcing I'm the great interpreter of scripture,
hear me only I know the truth, it will astound you etc. Would you instantly give that person a
microphone and pulpit?
As far as I am aware the only person who is qualified to do that is Jesus.
So how about you introduce yourself, tell us a bit about yourself, what your beliefs are etc.
Get to know this place etc.
Greetings Jonteel,
Actually, the key to understanding the meaning of this scripture is found in the words "did we not." When they realize that they will not be entering into the kingdom of God, their own response reveals the reason why they will not be able to enter in. We cannot inherit the kingdom of God by our own works, but by trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation for us by his work. By their words "did we not" demonstrates that they will have been trusting in their own efforts and not in Christ's sacrifice.
The reason that the Lord will say "depart from me, I never knew you" as demonstrated by their response, is because they will have not been trusting in the Lord, but in their own efforts.
To know Jesus is to obey His commands
If you love me, keep my commands.
John 14:15
Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.
John 14:21
An evil doer is someone who disobeys the commands of Christ.
A good Christian is one who obeys Christ. So no good christians will be rejected
by Christ, for a good Christian is of God, walking in the light.
If you love me, keep my commands.
John 14:15
Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.
John 14:21
An evil doer is someone who disobeys the commands of Christ.
A good Christian is one who obeys Christ. So no good christians will be rejected
by Christ, for a good Christian is of God, walking in the light.
A real testimony of believers.
"I am more spiritual than you because I can speak in tongues. How can you a new believer
expect to get such a gift so early in your faith"
A meeting is only met by God when the miracles start flowing, the prophecy is spoken,
the ministry against demons is demonstrated.
Or praise is only real when we feel elated.
I met a believer who was happy to go to a praise meeting and then to the brothel, meeting
the spiritual and physical needs in one go. This is what pagan faith is like.
Righteousness is the Kingdom, purity of the heart, truth within and without, an open heart.
So many are so concerned about "legalism" they are missing emotional reality in their own
lives.
"I am more spiritual than you because I can speak in tongues. How can you a new believer
expect to get such a gift so early in your faith"
A meeting is only met by God when the miracles start flowing, the prophecy is spoken,
the ministry against demons is demonstrated.
Or praise is only real when we feel elated.
I met a believer who was happy to go to a praise meeting and then to the brothel, meeting
the spiritual and physical needs in one go. This is what pagan faith is like.
Righteousness is the Kingdom, purity of the heart, truth within and without, an open heart.
So many are so concerned about "legalism" they are missing emotional reality in their own
lives.
I'll never forget, prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I read Matthew 7:22 and thought to myself, wow! These many people accomplished all of that, "prophesied in His name, cast out demons, and did many wonderful works" but that still was not "good enough?" Then I thought to myself at that time, how am I going to "top that" and be "good enough?" Such is the mindset of someone who believes that salvation is by works.
Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. Their hearts were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was stained with sin. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father.
John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge.
Without faith it's impossible to please God no matter how many alleged wonderful works that these many people set out to conjure up through the flesh. These many people were not genuine believers. This is why Jesus referred to them as WORKERS OF INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS! They were self righteous.
There are false prophets who prophecy in the name of Jesus and even make false prophecies. Also, Satan may grant the power to one of his agents to cast out demons from another of his agents in order to gain attention and loyalty from an audience for his evil agenda. False teachers and false prophets have long demonstrated supernatural power granted by Satan, including the power to control the demonic realm. The enemy uses this deception to win an audience for his claims.
Also, in Matthew 10:1, we also see that Jesus gave His 12 disciples power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. This would include Judas Iscariot, yet Jesus referred to Judas Iscariot as an unbelieving, unclean devil who would betray Him! (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11). Apparently, Judas believed that Jesus' name has the power to cast out demons but did not truly believe in His name (John 1:12) and become a child of God, but instead was the son of perdition (John 17:12).
Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. Their hearts were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was stained with sin. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father.
John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge.
Without faith it's impossible to please God no matter how many alleged wonderful works that these many people set out to conjure up through the flesh. These many people were not genuine believers. This is why Jesus referred to them as WORKERS OF INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS! They were self righteous.
There are false prophets who prophecy in the name of Jesus and even make false prophecies. Also, Satan may grant the power to one of his agents to cast out demons from another of his agents in order to gain attention and loyalty from an audience for his evil agenda. False teachers and false prophets have long demonstrated supernatural power granted by Satan, including the power to control the demonic realm. The enemy uses this deception to win an audience for his claims.
Also, in Matthew 10:1, we also see that Jesus gave His 12 disciples power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. This would include Judas Iscariot, yet Jesus referred to Judas Iscariot as an unbelieving, unclean devil who would betray Him! (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11). Apparently, Judas believed that Jesus' name has the power to cast out demons but did not truly believe in His name (John 1:12) and become a child of God, but instead was the son of perdition (John 17:12).
I love mysteries and puzzles. 
I will give it a shot!
It's...not about gifts, it's about getting to know the One who gives them.
I have to admit the verse has always intrigued me. I 've thought, how could one prophesy and yet He says He doesn't know them??
But then I found Saul, who the Spirit of God came on powerfully and he prophesied! So he was given a gift and could possibly stand before God one day and say: but...I prophesied...! But the Spirit left Him and God sent instead a tormenting spirit. He did not do Gods' will, even though he was given a gift of the Spirit.
I look forward to what you have to say! Marked Wednesday on my calendar!
I will give it a shot!
It's...not about gifts, it's about getting to know the One who gives them.
I have to admit the verse has always intrigued me. I 've thought, how could one prophesy and yet He says He doesn't know them??
But then I found Saul, who the Spirit of God came on powerfully and he prophesied! So he was given a gift and could possibly stand before God one day and say: but...I prophesied...! But the Spirit left Him and God sent instead a tormenting spirit. He did not do Gods' will, even though he was given a gift of the Spirit.
I look forward to what you have to say! Marked Wednesday on my calendar!
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There is another verse that has always caused me to be astounded too. I think it is in Ezekiel? God says, now I will destroy the righteous along with the wicked. And yet we have the story of Lot in which He said to the man that He would not destroy the city even if He found even a few men who were righteous. But you see that He kept His word...because He REMOVED the righteous one before He destroyed it. But HERE, He says He will destroy the righteous along with the wicked...! It's a very hard thing to understand. It is shocking to read. I have thought it might have something to do with the 4 groups of men listed in the end of Revelation...
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okOk Guys. I was off on business, got home to find that there's a lot to review. I've reviewed a ton of posts. I dont know where to start. I was really looking forward to this. I was so engrossed in the many posts that I burned a pot in the kitchen.
One of you asked me to introduce myself. Well, as a teacher, I learned that less is more. To avoid having my house burned or family attacked, we teachers use fake identities online, and they still find us!
I believe one of you took offense at my statement about scholars. I meant that as a compliment.
One of you asked me to introduce myself. Well, as a teacher, I learned that less is more. To avoid having my house burned or family attacked, we teachers use fake identities online, and they still find us!
I believe one of you took offense at my statement about scholars. I meant that as a compliment.
No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
No person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.
For many are called,but few chosen.
Jesus said He will never leave us or forsake us.
Some have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
10 virgins,5 went with Christ,5 did not go with Christ,and that is because they did not have the Spirit.
Lots of people claim Jesus as Lord and Savior,but some receive the Spirit,and some do not because they are not totally with the program.
Those that do not receive the Spirit will say Lord,Lord,why can't we dwell with you,and He will say because you are workers of iniquity,and I never knew you.They never came to the conclusion to allow the Spirit to lead them and act like Christ,and fell short of salvation.When they sinned they thought they were still alright with God so they never gave up some sins and they were on their record.They sinned with the attitude I am still alright.
Those that do receive the Spirit,Jesus will never leave or forsake them,and if they sin they have the attitude that it is wrong and God is not pleased with it,and will eventually give up the sin,and be back on track.
The thing is can a person lose being led of the Spirit after they have received the Spirit,or will they always correct their wrongful actions,and when they depart from this earth be right with God.
No person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.
For many are called,but few chosen.
Jesus said He will never leave us or forsake us.
Some have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
10 virgins,5 went with Christ,5 did not go with Christ,and that is because they did not have the Spirit.
Lots of people claim Jesus as Lord and Savior,but some receive the Spirit,and some do not because they are not totally with the program.
Those that do not receive the Spirit will say Lord,Lord,why can't we dwell with you,and He will say because you are workers of iniquity,and I never knew you.They never came to the conclusion to allow the Spirit to lead them and act like Christ,and fell short of salvation.When they sinned they thought they were still alright with God so they never gave up some sins and they were on their record.They sinned with the attitude I am still alright.
Those that do receive the Spirit,Jesus will never leave or forsake them,and if they sin they have the attitude that it is wrong and God is not pleased with it,and will eventually give up the sin,and be back on track.
The thing is can a person lose being led of the Spirit after they have received the Spirit,or will they always correct their wrongful actions,and when they depart from this earth be right with God.
This is happening when Jesus separates the sheep from the goats. (On that day)
And those that were doing all these great works were actually practicing lawlessness. They work at lawlessness, they continually practice lawlessness. The supposed good works were a smoke screen.
How many do we know today that claim to be great healers, casting out demons and prophesying in the name of our Lord.
Can you imagine, they are really doing these works by their own false gods, the demons that have them deceived because they refused to bow the knee, repent and live an obedient life before God.
But it makes me wonder because of the fact it says in, 'that day'. So when I consider what Satan will be doing, all his miracles and all the signs and wonders he'll be performing that will deceive even the elect, it makes me think that those people that are spoken of in this scripture, are these the ones that Satan is working through to accomplish his miracles?
And if they are, are they actually doing it in the name of our Lord and not in the name of a false god and not in the name of Satan. Which is whey the question, Lord, Lord did we not ______________ in your name?
And if it's done in Jesus' name, this would be why even the elect would be deceived if possible.
And those that were doing all these great works were actually practicing lawlessness. They work at lawlessness, they continually practice lawlessness. The supposed good works were a smoke screen.
How many do we know today that claim to be great healers, casting out demons and prophesying in the name of our Lord.
Can you imagine, they are really doing these works by their own false gods, the demons that have them deceived because they refused to bow the knee, repent and live an obedient life before God.
But it makes me wonder because of the fact it says in, 'that day'. So when I consider what Satan will be doing, all his miracles and all the signs and wonders he'll be performing that will deceive even the elect, it makes me think that those people that are spoken of in this scripture, are these the ones that Satan is working through to accomplish his miracles?
And if they are, are they actually doing it in the name of our Lord and not in the name of a false god and not in the name of Satan. Which is whey the question, Lord, Lord did we not ______________ in your name?
And if it's done in Jesus' name, this would be why even the elect would be deceived if possible.
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Again, sorry , had to be gone today.
I found this in researching something else. We see the phrase "I knew you not." Well guess what? if you hop n over to John 10:27+28, you see something very pertinent. Check it out. I will be around from tomorrow afternoon to midnight. I wanted to do this a little different, but this works.
Tomorrow I am going to mention Phillip, but I assume you'll have it all in focus.
Notice how nicely the two (John and Matt) compliment each other. I am eager to see what you think. There is also a third verse to this... I'll wont be surprised if one of you has it.Also, from now on one question at a time-- it messes the forum up.. or so i hear.
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I found this in researching something else. We see the phrase "I knew you not." Well guess what? if you hop n over to John 10:27+28, you see something very pertinent. Check it out. I will be around from tomorrow afternoon to midnight. I wanted to do this a little different, but this works.
Tomorrow I am going to mention Phillip, but I assume you'll have it all in focus.
Notice how nicely the two (John and Matt) compliment each other. I am eager to see what you think. There is also a third verse to this... I'll wont be surprised if one of you has it.Also, from now on one question at a time-- it messes the forum up.. or so i hear.
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It is interesting seeing peoples interpretation putting groups they see problems with as
the fake believers.
Jesus is emphasising prophecy can be false, driving out demons flee in Jesus's name and
miracles can appear but not be true, what matters in the heart and walking in righteousness.
Who we are in Christ is our foundation, reflected in how we live. The whole of the sermon on
the mount is about true behaviour and not just show. So any group who do not emphasise
that stand judged by the words spoken by Christ.
the fake believers.
Jesus is emphasising prophecy can be false, driving out demons flee in Jesus's name and
miracles can appear but not be true, what matters in the heart and walking in righteousness.
Who we are in Christ is our foundation, reflected in how we live. The whole of the sermon on
the mount is about true behaviour and not just show. So any group who do not emphasise
that stand judged by the words spoken by Christ.
Beware!
First we have one verse - Matthew 7:23 - with the promise of a new insight coming!
Then we have (Post #20):
Here's a little help, a hint: in the sentence "Be gone from me, I knew you not..." is a gem of great worth. It connects to another verse, in another area, and creates a blessing of great worth. The second verse will tell us more about why they were sent away."
Another verse in another area? Verses need to be interpreted in the context of where they were written.
Then in post # 33 we have the promise of a third verse (and the identification of the second verse):
I found this in researching something else. We see the phrase "I knew you not." Well guess what? if you hop n over to John 10:27+28, you see something very pertinent. Check it out. I will be around from tomorrow afternoon to midnight. I wanted to do this a little different, but this works.
Tomorrow I am going to mention Phillip, but I assume you'll have it all in focus.
Notice how nicely the two (John and Matt) compliment each other. I am eager to see what you think. There is also a third verse to this... I'll wont be surprised if one of you has it.Also, from now on one question at a time-- it messes the forum up.. or so i hear.
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Beware! Beware! For myself I will stick with interpreting the original verse in its own context - actually quite simple - and this has already been done on previous posts on this thread.
I personally don't need the new insights that have been hid all these years until now . . .
First we have one verse - Matthew 7:23 - with the promise of a new insight coming!
Then we have (Post #20):
Here's a little help, a hint: in the sentence "Be gone from me, I knew you not..." is a gem of great worth. It connects to another verse, in another area, and creates a blessing of great worth. The second verse will tell us more about why they were sent away."
Another verse in another area? Verses need to be interpreted in the context of where they were written.
Then in post # 33 we have the promise of a third verse (and the identification of the second verse):
I found this in researching something else. We see the phrase "I knew you not." Well guess what? if you hop n over to John 10:27+28, you see something very pertinent. Check it out. I will be around from tomorrow afternoon to midnight. I wanted to do this a little different, but this works.
Tomorrow I am going to mention Phillip, but I assume you'll have it all in focus.
Notice how nicely the two (John and Matt) compliment each other. I am eager to see what you think. There is also a third verse to this... I'll wont be surprised if one of you has it.Also, from now on one question at a time-- it messes the forum up.. or so i hear.
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Beware! Beware! For myself I will stick with interpreting the original verse in its own context - actually quite simple - and this has already been done on previous posts on this thread.
I personally don't need the new insights that have been hid all these years until now . . .
It all ties together.
We,ve all seen an oh no! example of taking a verse completely out of context and twisting it, but Gods' word is seamless too so for instance, verses that do with mercy that are in completely different places can be tied together. In fact, doesn't God say that a good workman brings out some of the old and some of the new and ties them together?
We,ve all seen an oh no! example of taking a verse completely out of context and twisting it, but Gods' word is seamless too so for instance, verses that do with mercy that are in completely different places can be tied together. In fact, doesn't God say that a good workman brings out some of the old and some of the new and ties them together?
That particular place in the bible has had my attention for years, the, I NEVER knew you, did not seem to make sense since the persons Jesus mentioned were claiming to be Christian and had big ministries and operated in great spiritual power. Then one day I realized it was right under my nose, something happening in my time, professing Christians who were operating in obvious spiritual power. As Paul said, they follow a "different" Jesus, teach a "different" gospel, and are powered by a "different" spirit. In a word, professing Christians who are following a false spirit while believing it to be the Holy Spirit. This kind of stuff is all over the airways today.